GUILTY Denmark - Kim Wall, 30, Copenhagen, 10 Aug 2017

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Interesting
The News-media TV2News has every week a show called Presselogen where different highstanding members of the press are discussing the press's handling of different kind of news.
This week it was about our case here. The defense-lawyer has asked a direct question to the Presselogen about how to make sure that PM gets a fair triial.

Short snippet:
During the week, several viewers in the Presselogen Facebook Group have expressed the wish that the press will hold back with the cruel details of the case.

article here translated:
https://translate.google.com/transl...l-medierne-goere-for-at-sikre-en-fair-retssag
 
  • #802
Interesting
The News-media TV2News has every week a show called Presselogen where different highstanding members of the press are discussing the press's handling of different kind of news.
This week it was about our case here. The defense-lawyer has asked a direct question to the Presselogen about how to make sure that PM gets a fair triial.

Short snippet:


article here translated:
https://translate.google.com/transl...l-medierne-goere-for-at-sikre-en-fair-retssag

TY that is interesting and confirms that media has no cause of death ATM.
 
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Ok, so far no news about the strike-warning, so we will see the next days what happens with the negotiation (about the paycheck as always)

But Ekstra-bladet have tried to foresee who will have to testify in the trial. Its a longer article and Google translates it as bad as usual, so I decided that this is so relevant so that I translated it by hand and hopefully you will understand it better than the translated page.
Here it is:

Twelve days are waiting: They will witness the submarine case
There will be a large number of witnesses who will testify, among other things, about Peter Madsen's conduct and statements when the trial starts Thursday.

200 people have been questioned and about 37 people will explain during the twelve working days of the submarine case, where Peter Madsen is accused of sexually maltreating and killing Kim Wall after prior planning and subsequent dismembering her body. He denies guilty of the first two counts, but acknowledges the dismembering.

Among the witnesses will both be former rocket comrades from Copenhagen Suborbitals and Raket-Madsen Rum Laboratory, Peter Madsen's mistress, forensic and technical witnesses and other witnesses who can give a picture of Peter Madsen's statements and conduct in general and in the period up to 10 August . Including both witnesses led by prosecutor and defense.

Prosecutor Jakob Buch-Jepsen is probably going through the schedule and which witnesses to be questioned on the first day of the trial on Thursday, but already it is possible to reveal some of the witnesses being questioned.

Misstress are going to explain.
One of them is Peter Madsen's mistress for many years, Deirdre King, who has herself told her that she kas been subpoenaed on March 26 at 14:45. She has previously said that she has had sex with Peter Madsen aboard the submarine and has told about his sexual preferences, which means that he likes women in high heels and red lipstick, role playing and a little mask every now and then. But she has not experienced him as sadistic.
Likewise, it is likely that the artist-woman, who, in an article in the Wired magazine, told that she was a former mistress and friend with Peter Madsen, must be questioned as a witness. She told the article that she had seen or talked to Madsen every day during the weeks up to Kim Wall's death and that she a few days before asked Madsen to motivate her with a threat because she was struggling to finish a video project .
It started, according to the woman, with ordinary sex talk, but went further to that he had a murder plane in the submarine, what tools he would use, and that he would eventually invite a friend to the submarine and cut her up. Correspondence is given to the police.

Also, a female Australian film director who was making a documentary with Peter Madsen and his rocket project interviewed him the same day as he sailed with Kim Wall, according to Ekstra Bladet's information, should explain, just as his agent and Investor in the Raketmadsen Rum Laboratory, which owns a portion of the submarine Nautilus, which the prosecutor want to have confiscated and destroyed.

Talked about death fascination
According to the prosecutor, at the first prolonging of the custody court-meeting, another woman witness explained that Peter Madsen spoke of death fascination. It became more and more extreme, but it was her belief that he would not do anything like killing. She described Peter Madsen as one who sometimes stayed out of sex, other times he was manic about it and should always exceed what he had already tried. Death and sex were Peter's big issue up to the accident, she explained. It will therefore be obvious that she will be called to court to explain Peter Madsen's preferences and state of mind up to the trip with Kim Wall.

By the same prolonging meeting of custody, it emerged that the police have spoken to a woman who had sex with Peter Madsen aboard the submarine but has not been in contact with him since 2014. She has stated that he was most interested in ordinary sex, which will probably be something that the defense is interested in.

The chairman of Copenhagen Suborbitals, according to Ekstra Bladet's information, must also explain the matter. It has previously been stated that he has explained that Peter Madsen has spoken to him about how to best save a life at sea.
In the prolonging meeting of custody, Peter Madsen denied that there had been such a conversation and that the witness was from the competing rocket association with which he had a "very evil and horrible divorce" so he could have every motivation to turn things to hurt Peter Madsen.

In addition, according to Ekstra Bladet's information, two foreign engineering students have been called, former interns in the Rumlaboratorium and Copenhagen Suborbitals.


Autopsy Center
The explanation of the coroner will be central to the case, and his explanation of the autopsy of Kim Wall will probably be central and comprehensive. Among other things, the cause of death is still unknown, but it may be strangeling or suffocation, according to the accusations. This wording clearly comes from the forensic statement and will be something that the forensic doctor should explain.

Likewise, Peter Madsen, when he changed his explanation that Kim Wall had a hatch in her head, after the head was found on the bottom of the ocean without fractures, said that Kim Wall might die as a result of carbon monoxide poisoning down in the submarine while he was standing in the tower.
This explanation should probably also be clarified by an expert in submarines who examined the submarine as a crime scene, and who can comment on the technical design of the submarine and whether the actual conditions in the submarine support Peter Madsens last explanation. There were also submarine experts who found that the submarine was lowered on purpose, which Peter Madsen himself subsequently acknowledged that he did by opening the submarines valves.

In addition, there will probably also be a computer expert who can testify of the investigation of the computer seized at the Raketmadsen Space Laboratory, which has led to a hard disk with fetish, torture and killing videos on women.
"It is our opinion that there are video recordings of real killings on women who have been killed by carcasses, hanging and burning," said special prosecutor Jakob Buch-Jepsen, and it would be relevant to conduct a witness that could explain how they have studied it.
Peter Madsen himself said that 'the computer and the removable media removed from the Raket-Madsen Space Lab are not my property. It's not necessarily my videos'. He pointed out that others had access to these, including a trainee who had access to the workshop.
- I might add that there are also some of the people from the workshop, who have expressed interest in the subjects he said in court.

Planning important theme
An important part of the evidence issue in the case is whether Peter Madsen is guilty of killing after prior planning and preparation by bringing saw, knife, tapered screwdrivers, straps, strips and pipes on board the submarine.

It has previously been discovered that the police have spoken with a witness who saw Madsen go towards the workshop with a white handbag with orange handle on the day that the submarine sailed out, as he carried over his shoulder.
He, according to the witness, looked fast and targeted and acted as he did not want any contact. During the first prolonging custody-meeting, Peter Madsen rejected that there was a saw aboard the submarine as they sailed out, but after a saw was found at the bottom of Køge Bay, he recognized that it was the saw that was used to the dismembering.
It will also be relevant for the prosecutor to determine which items are usually onboard the submarine to make it probable whether effects such as saw, strips and pipes had its places on the submarine.

Likewise, it would be relevant to have a testimony about who handled the saw-machine at Raket-Madsen Rum Laboratory, which is probably used to cut the tubes found around Kim Walls limbs. Peter Madsen has previously said that he did not handle the saw machine used to cut pipes, but that it was a trainee task.

Finally, Kim Wall's Danish boyfriend, who can tell about the opt-out of the interview trip with the submarine, is likely to testify. He has previously explained that he received sms from her along the way and eventually reported her missing when she did not come home as agreed.

There are video and some pics in the article so here is the link if you want to see:

https://translate.google.com/transl...ge-venter-de-skal-vidne-i-ubaadssagen/7065312
 
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Ok, so far no news about the strike-warning, so we will see the next days what happens with the negotiation (about the paycheck as always)

But Ekstra-bladet have tried to foresee who will have to testify in the trial. Its a longer article and Google translates it as bad as usual, so I decided that this is so relevant so that I translated it by hand and hopefully you will understand it better than the translated page.
Here it is:



There are video and some pics in the article so here is the link if you want to see:

https://translate.google.com/transl...ge-venter-de-skal-vidne-i-ubaadssagen/7065312

Thank you, also very interesting.
 
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Many thanks, L_I, for all your work posting and translating for us. And also to Apelsin for that very interesting long Swedish article. It is especially useful to have more details of how the court procedures work. I'm interested to see that there will be a judge and two jurors - they can't be quite like a panel of 12, 9 or even 6 jurors, do they work more alongside the judge?
 
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Many thanks, L_I, for all your work posting and translating for us. And also to Apelsin for that very interesting long Swedish article. It is especially useful to have more details of how the court procedures work. I'm interested to see that there will be a judge and two jurors - they can't be quite a like a panel of 12 or 8 jurors, do they work more alongside the judge?

I don´t think so. They are regular jurors, just fewer.
That is Peter Madsen´s choice. I hope it doesn´t work for him!
 
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I don´t think so. They are regular jurors, just fewer.
That is Peter Madsen´s choice. I hope it doesn´t work for him!

I don't quite see how two can work, but we shall learn more, I guess. I should have said '6 or'9' , not 8, as those were the usual numbers mentioned in the article. 12 here in the UK.
 
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This article helps a bit re. lay judges etc. I assume with PM waiving his right to a jury trial it becomes like this:

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But I'm not clear on whether the decision of all 3 needs to be unanimous.

On an equal footing
Lay judges and jurors are not judges with a legal background, although they rank equally with the legal judges and share the same responsibility for decisions made. Lay judges and jurors are involved in the court decision as well as in any orders and decisions made during the proceedings. Initially, judges and lay judges must consider whether the accused is guilty, and – if he or she is found guilty – they must determine what the sentence should be.

When a decision is to be made in the case, the lay judges and jurors have the right and duty to express their views on the basis of the information presented in court. Just like the legal judges, however, they must comply with the law.

Cases with lay judges

Lay judges are used in criminal cases in which the accused pleads not guilty and the prosecution claims punishment by imprisonment. Lay judges are generally not used if the prosecution only claims punishment by fine.

Cases before a district court are decided by one legal judge and two lay judges; cases before a high court are decided by three legal judges and three lay judges. In criminal cases, the prosecutor and the defence counsel will always be present together with the accused. The presiding judge will always be a legal judge.

Jury cases

Jury cases are cases in which the prosecution claims punishment by imprisonment of four years or more or in which the accused may be committed to custody or other detention. Only a few cases each year are jury cases.

District court jury cases have three legal judges and six jurors. In order for the accused to be sentenced, at least four jurors and two judges must agree on the question of guilt.

There's a bit more at the link.

http://www.domstol.dk/om/publikationer/HtmlPublikationer/Profil/Profilbrochure - UK/kap08.html
 

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Now the case starts against Peter Madsen - this is going to happen today

On the first day of the submarine case, the prosecutor's interrogation begins by Peter Madsen.

The lawsuit against Peter Madsen begins Thursday in the large courtroom 60 in Copenhagen City Council.

In Denmark, the principle of public justice is ensured by the Constitution. Firstly, transparency must ensure that no one is being punished in secret. Secondly, citizens' trust in the judicial system builds on a basic knowledge of how litigation is settled.

Peter Madsen is charged with killing the Swedish journalist Kim Wall, a different sexual intercourse than intercourse and indecisive equal treatment - and for various breaches of maritime law.
He has previously acknowledged unfair intercourse, but denies killing and sexual assault.

Today's plan - and the whole matter
At 9.30 pm Peter Madsen enters the hall where he will sit next to his defense attorney, Betina Hald Engmark, who will first confirm to Judge Anette Burkø who he is.

The referee will be flanked by two judges, for Peter Madsen has waived the right to a jury ruling.

Then, accused Jakob Buch-Jepsen will read the entire accusation, and Peter Madsen's defender will explain what parts he confesses - and which he denies.
The prosecution authority will require Peter Madsen sentenced to life in prison - or secondary custody.

Prosecutor's view of the case
Perhaps there will be a discussion between the defender and the prosecutor about various legal issues - but once they are decided or postponed for later, Jakob Buch-Jepsen will begin submitting his case.

The presentation is the appeal of the prosecutor - a review explaining what the whole trial will be about and a plan for the remaining 11 working days.
Here he will also come across the evidence that the prosecutor will present, just as the list of witnesses will be publicized for the first time.

From a printout of a hearing held in the case where Peter Madsen tried in vain to cancel the check of visits and letters he has been detained since 12 August, it appears that 37 witnesses have been scheduled.

The interrogation begins

The first parts of today's program might take a couple of hours - and maybe after a lunch break, the prosecutor's cross-examination of Peter Madsen will begin.
An inquest where Peter Madsen has to leave his place next to the defender and get into the testimony in the middle of the courtroom, but in principle he has the right to refuse to speak - and to speak untrue.

Unlike all the witnesses who will later be led in the case, who have a duty to answer questions and to speak true.

Probably, Jacob Buch-Jepsen's interrogation by Peter Madsen will not be completed, but continue on trial day two, after which defender Betina Hald Engmark will take over and ask questions from the defense.

The rest of the trial
A total of 12 full days have been scheduled for the submarine case at the Copenhagen City Council. The preliminary plan can be changed:

March 8: Presentation and consultation of Peter Madsen
21 March: Hearing of Peter Madsen
March 22: Witnesses
March 23: Witnesses
March 26: Witnesses
March 27: Witnesses
March 28: Witnesses
April 3: Witnesses
April 4: Documentation
April 5th: Reserve Day
April 23: Procedures
April 25: Dom

https://translate.google.com/transl...-peter-madsen-det-her-kommer-til-at-ske-i-dag
 
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I see that they added more dates on this trial. This is what I had:

Thursday, March 8th:
*Trial set to begin - Denmark - Kim Isabel Wall (30) (Aug. 10, 2017) - Peter Langkjær Madsen (46) charged with premeditated murder in addition to dismemberment & sexual relations other than intercourse of a particularly dangerous nature & indecent handling of a corpse. Trial continues March 23, 26, 27 & 28, April 5, 23 with last date as April 25, 2018.


I see they added March 21, 22, April 3 & 4th.

Anyone know if they will have live stream for this trial, or any tweeters?

TIA!
 
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I see that they added more dates on this trial. This is what I had:

Thursday, March 8th:
*Trial set to begin - Denmark - Kim Isabel Wall (30) (Aug. 10, 2017) - Peter Langkjær Madsen (46) charged with premeditated murder in addition to dismemberment & sexual relations other than intercourse of a particularly dangerous nature & indecent handling of a corpse. Trial continues March 23, 26, 27 & 28, April 5, 23 with last date as April 25, 2018.


I see they added March 21, 22, April 3 & 4th.

Anyone know if they will have live stream for this trial, or any tweeters?

TIA!

Yes they did extend the trial with those days, so it will take longer than they first expected.

There is no live-stream because of filming is not allowed, but I bet there are several foreign journalists that will tweet, I just dont know who.
There is a live blog with updates in several of our media here, but its in danish.

Here are a few of them. There are pics to watch at least.
I wont have time to translate the live-blogs today unfortunately.

https://ekstrabladet.dk/112/live-foelg-retssagen-mod-peter-madsen/7067187

https://www.bt.dk/krimi/ubaadssagen-peter-madsens-naere-ven-afvist-i-retssalen
 
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