GUILTY Denmark - Kim Wall, 30, Copenhagen, 10 Aug 2017

[Logical_Inference]

I managed to watch the live-blog with my one eye, so here is what I got from it so far.

Kim Wall's parents was in court today. They had an appointed lawyer with them, to help them get through.

First it was the prosecutor that talked about all the evidence and the circumstantial evidence.
Most of it we already know about, but there was details like
- her underpants was found under a plate in the floor in the toilet of the submarine
- the inside of her nylon-stockings was outside - reversed....its hard to explain, but they were on the wrong side
- there were marks of her being tied on her wrists on the arms
- there was found semen in PM's underpants
- the blood on PM's nose when he came ashore was KW's blod
- there was dokuments on PM's computer with text about vaginal impalement of women - plus the same theme was found in several animations on the computer
- PM's Iphone activity up to 8 pm the same night they sailed out, has been recreated through i Cloud and there was google-searches for a video about decapitation with sexual purpose.
- there was a cut on the throat above the cut where the head was removed from the body. The Police think that it might be a sign of that PM cut her throat, because they have found signs in her lungs of that the oxygen to her has been stopped abruptly
- the woman that in the press told about SMS and the barcelona trip has withdrawn her statement and it is considered to be a lie, so the police is not interested in her statement.
- there was not found any DNA on KW's body from PM

From the mental health-check:
Overall, Peter Madsen appears to be most untrustworthy. He appears polymorphic, perverted and very sexually deviant, among other things in the investigation, which the prosecutor reads from.
- No evidence of psychosis or pathology has been found. He has narcissistic features. He has superficial charm and a distinct self-esteem. He is emotionally impaired and has a serious lack of empathy and anger, among other things.
They also believe that if Peter Madsen is out free among the public, there is a high risk that he will commit a similar crime.


After the prosecutor, it was the defense-lawyer who mostly was indignated about the way the prosecutor had presented the evidences. She didnt feel that he was fair and objective. But what else can she say....


This afternoon its Peter Madsens turn to explain.

 

[ZaZara]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...l-for-of-journalist-kim-wall?CMP=share_btn_tw

A Danish builder of submarines and rockets went on trial on Thursday accused of sexually assaulting, torturing and murdering the Swedish journalist Kim Wall after she joined him on board his home-built submarine for an interview in August last year.

The accused, Peter Madsen, pleaded not guilty as the trial opened at Copenhagen district court in what prosecutor Jakob Buch-Jepsen has described as a “unusual and extremely brutal” case. Madsen is charged with murdering and dismembering Wall, along with a charge of sexual assault without intercourse of a particularly dangerous nature.

He has admitted dismembering her body on board his submarine and dumping her body parts in the sea.


BBM

 

[Legally Bland]

Sky have a live blog in English.

https://news.sky.com/story/live-inventor-on-trial-for-submarine-murder-11280731

09:22
Key points:

:: Day one of the trial in which Peter Madsen is accused of murder
:: Kim Wall went to interview the Danish inventor on his submarine in August 2017
:: The Swedish freelance journalist's dismembered body was found in the days after
:: Madsen admits dismembering her body but not murder

09:24
Sky News' Julie Thomsen is at Copenhagen City Court

Julie Astrid Thomsen@julieastridthom
Prosecutor Jakob Buch-Jepsen: Nothing in the police investigation indicates any contact between Madsen and Wall, but a few emails and texts planning Wall's visit on the UC3 Nautilus #SubmarineTrial #KimWall @SkyNews
​

09:25

Julie Astrid Thomsen@julieastridthom
#KimWall sent what would be her last texts to her boyfriend from the submarine at 20.30 on August 10:
1. I'm still alive by the way
2. I'm going down now.
3. I love you!!!!!
4. He brought coffee and cookies tho@SkyNews #SubmarineTrial

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09:25

Julie Astrid Thomsen@julieastridthom
In recordings of #PeterMadsen's radio correspondence from UC3 Nautilus at 1030 on August 11 he said that he was on his way back to Refshaleøen in Copenhagen. He continued: "There are technical issues but no injured" #SubmarineTrial #KimWall @SkyNews

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09:25

Julie Astrid Thomsen@julieastridthom
Prosecutor: In the initial examinations of #PeterMadsen, medical examiners found scratches on his forearms along with blood by his nostril which was later determined to be Wall's #KimWall #SubmarineTrial @SkyNews

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@julieastridthom2h
No traces of Peter Madsen's sperm on Wall's body, the court hears#KimWall #SubmarineTrial @SkyNews

@Stone_SkyNews2h
The prosecution in #KimWall murder trial is setting out its case against #PeterMadsen. A huge amount of detail on how the prosecution plans to prove premeditated murder is already emerging. Mr Madsen admits dismembering her body but denies murder, claiming she died in an accident

@julieastridthom2h
Pipes and straps found on bodyparts and in bags containing Wall's clothes match similar items found in Madsen's workshop, the court learns #KimWall #SubmarineTrial @SkyNews

@julieastridthom2h
Footage by a film crew - made around 5 hours before Madsen and Wall went out on the submarine - shows a saw with an orange handle, similar to the one found by police in Copenhagen waters, hanging behind Madsen in his workshop #KimWall #SubmarineTrial @SkyNews

@julieastridthom2h
Peter Madsen has not spoken to the police since October 14 2017, prosecutor says #KimWall #SubmarineTrial @SkyNews

@julieastridthom2h
Footage of the finding of Kim Wall's right arm by divers in Koge Bay is shown to the court, showing low visibility and clearly difficult conditions #KimWall #SubmarineTrial @SkyNews

@julieastridthom1h
There is strong circumstantial evidence that one part of a blue strap found in the submarine and another found in the sea with Kim Wall's clothes are a match, the court learns #KimWall #SubmarineTrial@SkyNews

@julieastridthom1h
Peter Madsen's and Kim Wall's mobile phones have not been recovered, but police has recreated a backup of Madsen's phone until 0823, prosecutor says #KimWall #SubmarineTrial @SkyNews

@julieastridthom1h
The court learns, that Peter Madsen googled the words "beheading", "girl" and "argony" (spelled that way) from his phone around the time of Kim Wall's death #KimWall #SubmarineTrial @SkyNews

@julieastridthom1h
A mental examination shows that Peter Madsen has a severe lack of empathy, remorse and sense of guilt, the court learns #KimWall#SubmarineTrial @SkyNews

@julieastridthom1h
The backup shows that Peter Madsen watched a video of a "rattling woman having her throat cut slowly," the prosecutor says #KimWall#SubmarineTrial @SkyNews twitter.com/julieastridtho…

Julie Astrid Thomsen@julieastridthom
Peter Madsen's and Kim Wall's mobile phones have not been recovered, but police has recreated a backup of Madsen's phone until 0823, prosecutor says #KimWall #SubmarineTrial @SkyNews
​

10:34

Mark Stone
✔@Stone_SkyNews
#PeterMadsen turned down well-known defence lawyers, instead choosing the relative unknown Betina Hald Engmark. He has also opted, as is his right in Denmark, for a 3 judge / 2 juror panel rather the usual 6 jurors. #KimWall

​

 

[Legally Bland]

@julieastridthom1h
Prosecutor Jakob Buch-Jepsen has concluded his presentation of the case, Madsen's defence lawyer Betina Hald Engmark takes the word #KimWall #SubmarineTrial @SkyNews

10:41

37 witnesses will take the stand during the #SubmarineTrail - 29 from the prosecution and 8 from the defense
— Rhiannon Williams (@RhiWilliams91) March 8, 2018

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10:43

Mark Stone
✔@Stone_SkyNews
The prosecutor in the #KimWall murder trial is a well-known lawyer in Denmark. He spoke to the media on his way into court. Here’s his statement as he prepares the case against #PeterMadsen

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Rhiannon Williams@RhiWilliams91
Peter Madsen being imprisoned in a psychiatric hospital under regular evaluation could mean he is kept away from the public for longer than if he was given a life sentence. The average life sentence in Denmark is 16 years

11:33
The court is on a lunch break now and will be back at 12.05pm GMT

@julieastridthom4m
Court will resume again in a few minutes #PeterMadsen #KimWall#SubmarineTrial @SkyNews

 

[SATA]

I managed to watch the live-blog with my one eye, so here is what I got from it so far.

Kim Wall's parents was in court today. They had an appointed lawyer with them, to help them get through.

First it was the prosecutor that talked about all the evidence and the circumstantial evidence.
Most of it we already know about, but there was details like
- her underpants was found under a plate in the floor in the toilet of the submarine
- the inside of her nylon-stockings was outside - reversed....its hard to explain, but they were on the wrong side
- there were marks of her being tied on her wrists on the arms
- there was found semen in PM's underpants
- the blood on PM's nose when he came ashore was KW's blod
- there was dokuments on PM's computer with text about vaginal impalement of women - plus the same theme was found in several animations on the computer
- PM's Iphone activity up to 8 pm the same night they sailed out, has been recreated through i Cloud and there was google-searches for a video about decapitation with sexual purpose.
- there was a cut on the throat above the cut where the head was removed from the body. The Police think that it might be a sign of that PM cut her throat, because they have found signs in her lungs of that the oxygen to her has been stopped abruptly
- the woman that in the press told about SMS and the barcelona trip has withdrawn her statement and it is considered to be a lie, so the police is not interested in her statement.
- there was not found any DNA on KW's body from PM

From the mental health-check:
Overall, Peter Madsen appears to be most untrustworthy. He appears polymorphic, perverted and very sexually deviant, among other things in the investigation, which the prosecutor reads from.
- No evidence of psychosis or pathology has been found. He has narcissistic features. He has superficial charm and a distinct self-esteem. He is emotionally impaired and has a serious lack of empathy and anger, among other things.
They also believe that if Peter Madsen is out free among the public, there is a high risk that he will commit a similar crime.


After the prosecutor, it was the defense-lawyer who mostly was indignated about the way the prosecutor had presented the evidences. She didnt feel that he was fair and objective. But what else can she say....


This afternoon its Peter Madsens turn to explain.

You are way better than any reporter!

 

[ZaZara]

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...-10-Aug-2017-*Arrest*&p=13977543#post13977543

the woman that in the press told about SMS and the barcelona trip has withdrawn her statement and it is considered to be a lie, so the police is not interested in her statement.

Would that be Deirdre???

 

[Legally Bland]

@julieastridthom5m
Peter Madsen is taking the stand i Copenhagen #KimWall#SubmarineTrial @SkyNews

@julieastridthom4m
Peter Madsen stil denies having murdered Kim Wall, he tells the court#KimWall #SubmarineTrial @SkyNews

@julieastridthom4s
Peter Madsen appears calm as he is sitting in front of the judge, answering the prosecutor's questions #KimWall #SubmarineTrial@SkyNews

 

[Legally Bland]

@julieastridthom1m
"What I will tell you today is a grim story that I did not want to tell anyone ever," Peter Madsen says in court #KimWall #SubmarineTrial@SkyNews

@julieastridthom3s
"I did not want to share the terrible way, in which Kim Wall died, with the world. I especially did not want to share it with her relatives," he says in court #KimWall #SubmarineTrial @SkyNewstwitter.com/julieastridtho…

 

[Moll]

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...-10-Aug-2017-*Arrest*&p=13977543#post13977543




Would that be Deirdre???

Evidently! I had to look back at your posts on that NZZ article...her whole statement was rather astounding. I guess that means she won't testify at all.

 

[Legally Bland]

12:32
Peter Madsen on the stand
The Danish inventor is telling how Kim Wall died.
Details from inside the Copenhagen Court to come...

@julieastridthom4s
"I wanted to comfort her," Peter Madsen says about a letter he wrote to a friend of Kim Wall #SubmarineTrial #KimWall @SkyNews

 

[Legally Bland]

@julieastridthom1m
A passage from the letter read: "I can feel Kim's soul and she is not angry. She told me on that fateful night that this was the best thing she had ever done...," the prosecutor told the court #SubmarineTrial#KimWall @SkyNews

[I guess the friend is May Jeong, the journalist who wrote the Wired article]

 

[Shiressleuth]

Thankyou all for your posts keeping the thread updated. Much appreciated.

 

[Legally Bland]

@julieastridthom4s
Peter Madsen in court: I am sure she had a very, very lovely night until the accident #SubmarineTrial #KimWall @SkyNews

[This is going to be so hard on Kim's family and friends, I'm pretty sure he'll be enjoying this]

 

[NaanOfYourBusiness]

@julieastridthom1m
"What I will tell you today is a grim story that I did not want to tell anyone ever," Peter Madsen says in court #KimWall #SubmarineTrial@SkyNews

@julieastridthom3s
"I did not want to share the terrible way, in which Kim Wall died, with the world. I especially did not want to share it with her relatives," he says in court #KimWall #SubmarineTrial @SkyNewstwitter.com/julieastridtho…

He hasn't admitted that he killed her or anything ... he is claiming some sort of accidental death for Kim.

 

[Legally Bland]

@julieastridthom6m
"I think I have had more than 250 trips with women in the submarine," Peter Madsen tells the court #SubmarineTrial #KimWall @SkyNews

 

[Legally Bland]

“I deny that I am guilty of the murder of Kim Wall,” Peter Madsen said, having via his lawyer, Betina Hald Engmark. “There is nothing worse that can happen to a person like me than to sail out with another person and return alone.”

Hald Engmark earlier said that Madsen would stick to his claim that Wall, 30, died of asphyxiation in an accident, after which he sawed off her head, arms and legs and disposed of the body at sea.

In her statement to the court, Hald Engmark said that the evidence against her client was thin, pointing to the police investigation’s failure to determine an exact cause of death. “A crucial argument is the cause of death,” she said.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...sen-takes-to-stand-to-deny-murder-of-kim-wall

 

[Legally Bland]

@julieastridthom1m
"I can become very emotional due to strange things and that also happens with these videos," Madsen says in court of the beheading video he, according to the backup, watched on his phone #SubmarineTrial #KimWall @SkyNews

 

[ZaZara]

@creton1

The prosecutor wants to know more about why #Madsen searched for the key words decapitation, girl and pain immediately before the submarine voyage.

Prosecutor continues to cling to testimony sperm from #Madsen that was found, according to prosecutor after he looked at the video in which a woman was tortured.

#PeterMadsen reacts with irritation: he denies that he was sexually excited after seeing this video in which a woman was tortured.

You want me to answer in a certain way, says #Madsen to the prosecutor. But I can't fulfill all your wishes.

It is now about the trip with the submarine with #KimWall. The intention was that #Wall would be back in the evening.

Now comes a technical explanation from #PeterMadsen why he comes back so late.

Stop! The judge says again. It is going too fast. #PeterMadsen laughs apologizingly and says that he will try to explain it so that everyone can follow it.

#Madsen comes up with a very technical explanation of how he starts the engines in the engine room and makes a mistake. Then when he stands on top of the tower the hatch is fixed and he can't go inside anymore. He hears #KimWall calling.

#Madding pauses briefly. This is not easy for me, he says.

Plaintiff wants to know why #Madsen changed his explanation, when the head of #KimWall was found and no skull fracture was found.

At that time, #Madsen's third statement was no longer true, namely that she had been given the 70 kg hatch on her head.

And then #Madsen came up with his fourth statement: that #Wall died because of smoke poisoning.

For how long #KimWall has been stuck in the submarine, the plaintiff asks, but #Madsen does not know exactly that.

I called to #Wall how she should stop the engine, but that's hard to say #Madsen.

Then #Madsen finally manages to open the hatch. The space is filled with warm air.

#Madsen tells us that he crawles down and finds #Wall lifeless. He tries to wake her up.

 

[SATA]

He is DISGUSTING!

My thoughts are with Kim Wall´s parents who have the courage to attend and have to listen to his lies.

It is reported that they sit quietly and with great dignity.

 

[ZaZara]

Rolien Créton
@creton1

Did you try to get #Wall upstairs? the prosecutor wants to know. That didn't work, says #Madsen. Why not, the Complainant asks. You are a strong man of 85 kilos.

But #Madsen says that there was too much smoke to be able to do anything.

He says to the prosecutor:"Jacob, I know you are a prosecutor. But the girl was lifeless and I had to leave because otherwise I would also die myself.