GUILTY Denmark - Kim Wall, 30, Copenhagen, 10 Aug 2017

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  • #941
On the news here they showed a detailed graph of the route of the Nautilus that night between the 10th and 11th of August last year.
First time police has shared such a detailed graph.
Turns out the submarine was above water most of the time.

Have tried to find it online, bummer, I can´t! Not even at the website of the tv station.
 
  • #942
On the news here they showed a detailed graph of the route of the Nautilus that night between the 10th and 11th of August last year.
First time police has shared such a detailed graph.
Turns out the submarine was above water most of the time.

Have tried to find it online, bummer, I can´t! Not even at the website of the tv station.

It was very early that they knew the route, but chose not to reveal it to the public.

Here is an article from august 31 about that:
https://translate.google.com/transl...har-et-komplet-radar-track-af-ubaaden/6801260

.. and Monda did also report about it in august at post #199 in this thread

I thought I have read somewhere that the sub was under water for more than 3 hours?
EDIT: I cant find anything on this so I might have dreamed it up. There are several articles though on where the sub had been under water, but not for how long.
Here is one from oct 3:
https://translate.google.com/transl...ysninger-om-raket-madsens-faerden-i-ubaaden-1
 
  • #943
It was very early that they knew the route, but chose not to reveal it to the public.

Here is an article from august 31 about that:
https://translate.google.com/transl...har-et-komplet-radar-track-af-ubaaden/6801260

.. and Monda did also report about it in august at post #199 in this thread

I thought I have read somewhere that the sub was under water for more than 3 hours?

I believe it is something like that, yes, all in all.
But we are talking about many hours where it was above water. 12 hrs approximately, right?

Also, there was a near collusion quite early - 8 pm something. And then again later at a different location.

I was surprised by the early near-collusion.
 
  • #944
No way around: Now Peter Madsen has to be questioned about cruel details
Peter Madsen must today continue to explain to the court about the death of 30-year-old Kim Wall

It was desperation and denial that led to the decision to dismember the body of Swedish journalist Kim Wall.
This explains Peter Madsen to Copenhagen City Council during the first hearing of 8 March in the case, among other things, being charged with the killing and involvement of the 30-year-old woman aboard his home-built submarine UC3 Nautilus, the night between 10 and 11. August last year.

Today, Peter Madsen must continue his explanation from the first hearing, which was not completed because the court ended.
Before reaching the 47-year-old submarine builder, however, revealed a few cruel details from the partying of the young woman to court.
"There is nothing positive about dismembering a person," explained Peter Madsen, where he also said that parts of the dismembering "went fast."

Must spend all day
Prosecutor Jakob Buch-Jepsen informs Ekstra Bladet that all day today is set for the interrogation of Peter Madsen.
"I will continue with questions in the morning, and then the defense will take over after lunch," the prosecutor said.

The hearing is expected to circulate on the dismembering of Kim Wall as well as some of the findings that the police have made on the bodies, including short iron pipes and strips, which, according to the police, were probably used to hold the parts at the bottom of the ocean.

Prosecutor Jakob Buch-Jepsen is also expected to ask more for the hours after Kim Wall's death and until Peter Madsen was rescued in the land of the Nautilus on the morning of August 11.
In addition, the prosecutor is still missing out on why they believe that Kim Wall was the victim of a planned killing.

I translated the important part of the article above because of the usual. It is really strange that Google simply refuse to translate to dismembering.
https://translate.google.com/transl...-madsen-afhoeres-om-grusomme-detaljer/7085014
 
  • #945
Apparently I remembered correct about how long the sub was under water.
Here is a new article from yesterday about the route that the Police now has published:

In connection with the lawsuit against Peter Madsen, the police have presented a detailed route showing the latest boat trip of the Nautilus submarine.

With the help of various radar systems and data from Sweden, the Copenhagen Police have managed to recreate the entire route where Peter Madsen sailed with the submarine Nautilus on 10 and 11 August 2017.
One last sailing, largely on the surface of Øresund and Køge Bay - twice the submarine was almost colliding with other ships, and only twice the submarine was submerged.

For the first time, the dive lasted two hours and five minutes, between 20.43 and 23.05 a little north of Middelgrunds fort, next to Copenhagen's Nordhavn, after which the cargo ship Ternveg was only 30 meters from colliding with the submarine.
After the first dive, Kim Wall was still alive, Peter Madsen explained in Copenhagen City, when prosecutor Jakob Buch-Jepsen questioned him during the first day of the Ubåd case .

The sub lay quiet in the sea surface
So she was therefore alive at 23:05 when Peter Madsen, according to her own explanation, went up through the front door of the submarine while Kim Wall was in the boat.
"Then, the most terrible minutes of my life," said Peter Madsen. Because he had closed the hatch and could not open it again because of oppression, he explained to the prosecutor, and Kim Wall was suffocated by gases down the submarine.
An explanation that, according to the prosecutor, is not collaborating with the evidence of the case or to various expert statements.

After Kim Wall, according to Peter Madsen's own explanation, was no longer alive - shortly after 23:00 - he sailed Nautilus to the south through Øresund.
At 00:50 Peter Madsen passed Kastrup and at 01:25 the submarine passed Dragør.
Still sailing to the south until 02:15, where the submarine, according to police calculations, stood still in the ocean for 50 minutes.
"What happens is that I make every effort to get Kim Wall overboard in one piece," said Peter Madsen. He explained that the stop was to be seen as proof that he was trying to bury her at sea in one piece.

At 03:05 Nautilus was observed by the Adriane F ship, and then the voyage continued westwards into Køge Bay.
During the last long dive, which took place from 04:42 till 08:22, the dismembering of Kim Wall took place, Peter Madsen has explained. The last dive lasted 3 hours and 40 minutes.
He explained that she was in one piece and that she did not bleed when he started.

The legal medics disagree
An explanation, the prosecutor Jakob Buch-Jepsen will ask questions on Wednesday, when the interrogation of Peter Madsen resumes in Copenhagen's City Court.
For investigations of forensic medicine, it is inconsistent with Peter Madsen's explanation.

During the prosecution's presentation of evidence in court, the court found that the damage that Kim Wall has suffered in the abdomen has come into contact with or just around the time of death. That it's hardly a matter of hours after.
Which according to Peter Madsen's own explanation is the case.

Denies being guilty
Peter Madsen denies being guilty and to have conducted sexual abuse of Kim Wall. He has admitted alone to dismembering the body - and to have thrown her overboard from the submarine.

At 10.29 on August 11, there was again a sign of Peter Madsen when he was in contact with Lyngby Radio. At that time, a large-scale search for submarine took place.
"Nautilus, Nautilus, can you hear me?" said Madsen over the radio.
At 10.41 he was picked up in a private motorboat after he sank the Nautilus submarine by opening the hatches and a valve so that it took in water.

Ten days later, a cyclist found Kim Walls torso on the southwest side of Amager.
Later, divers found her other body parts as well as her clothes and a saw, on the route where the submarine had sailed.

https://translate.google.com/transl...018-03-20-her-er-ubaaden-nautilus-sidste-rute
 
  • #946
  • #947
Drama in court!

Today they say that the journalist present at the courtmeeting is from the whole world, but most is from Sweden.

Kim Wall's parents is not present today.

Some of Peter Madsens friends/family is not present either, so the places is filled with ordinary people instead.


Peter Madsen arrives at the hall. He is being led by two officers from the prison network.
He is wearing a black t-shirt and is now asking to talk with his lawyer. The two therefore leave the room. It is not known what Peter Madsen wants to talk to his lawyer about.
The hall is awaiting Peter Madsen and his lawyer coming back to the room.
He has been taken to a seperate room at the back of the room together with his defender. It is unclear why.
Peter Madsen did not look at the audience at all, but had clear wrinkles on his forehead. He looked like he was pressured.
The two still talk together. Peter Madsen looked hesitant as he was led into the hall and stopped and called his lawyer. Then they left the room after a brief word exchange.
There is also quite quiet in the listening room, where almost 100 journalists are included in the case. Everyone awaits the answer to why Peter Madsen has chosen to speak with his lawyer before the matter starts.

Now a clerk knocks at the door where Peter Madsen and his defender sit to hear how long it will take. But we did not hear the answer. The clerk has subsequently gone to the referee and the judges.

Now the defender has come to court without Peter Madsen. She is talking to the prosecutor
The defense attorney and prosecutor are now consulting with the clerk in the hall. They speak low and it is unclear what it is about. Peter Madsen is still not in the hall but sitting in an adjacent room.

Now the defender has taken a seat at her table. The prosecutor is also in place and everyone is waiting for judges and judges to enter the hall.

Peter Madsen is still not present. But we expect to know what will happen when the court is set.
We can hear that Peter Madsen speaks with a loud voice out of space. Betina Hald Engmark go there straight away. Here is a very tense atmosphere.

Peter Madsen has now arrived in the hall again with his lawyer.

Peter Madsen looks tired and sits on the edge of his chair. He now is being told that he is not required to speak, but if he wants, he must take place in the middle of the hall.

Peter Madsen takes the seat in the middle. He walks slowly to his chair and puts his hands in his lap.

Then the prosecutor starts the questioning.
 
  • #948
Peter Madsen is in the wrong mood today, it seems!

The prosecutor now asks Peter Madsen to tell in more detail about the dismembering.
Peter Madsen dont want to answer.
"I have to ask some questions for some parts of it," the prosecutor said.
"You're talking about a human being, and I think you should ask the forensic," says Peter Madsen, who will not answer because it is terrible for him. .
"It is affecting a very very traumatic event, which I do not want to describe," said Peter Madsen.

"I had a desire to get Kim Wall off board in one piece. I know you do not believe me, but you can look at the radar where the submarine sails around.
"I do not want to go into detail, but I just want to say that it was terrible," said Peter Madsen, who sounds shaked today.
Peter Madsen now explains how everything in his ears sounds like a bad movie.

Peter Madsen is sitting completely wrapped up on his chair in the middle of the room. He has his head bent and looks down while his answer responds.

The prosecutor says he understands that it is something he is not happy to talk about. But that he asks for it to find out in which order he is making the dismembering. Peter Madsen says he does not understand what the details are good for.
The prosecutor asks why he can not get her body out without cutting her head off because he does not understand it.
"I do not do that either, Jakob," PM said with a low voice.

I was in a situation where I wanted to have the dead person aboard, in a situation where I could get it overboard. I could have done another division across or along or in triangles. But I did not.
"I was in a terrible situation. In the situation I was there was one thing that was wrong in this world, there was a person who died in Nautilus. The rationale behind that, if it stopped, was this situation no longer. I'm not saying it's true, but that was the rationale that took place in my head.

When I stand in my cell and get bored and think of Kim and hit my head in the wall and on my way, I ask the the prison officers if they can tighten the handcuffs more, so it's a completely insane situation, he says.
"In worst case, I can not risk prison for a lifetime, but for an indefinite time, he says.

Now there are sound-problems in court for all the journalists that is sitting in a room next door to listen to the meeting.
 
  • #949
Thanks for all this, L_I As Google has its usual mysterious quirks - 'pediatric pediatrician' for 'forensic [pathologists?] ' - your translation and interpretation is very valuable.

EDIT And Jens Moeller, who is I think chief investigator, is called a 'killing boss'!
Without guidance I don't think it would be possible to see through the fog.
 
  • #950
Every problem is solved if the body disappear....!

"It's not a lot about my person," he says.
This situation was not one I'd imagined should be debated and come to the attention of the relatives, he answers the question of why he used pipes. When he threw her overboard - the idea was that she should disappear.

Did you do anything sexually with Kim Wall after she was dead, asks the prosecutor. "How on earth can you even ask that," says Peter Madsen.

Do you turn on of nephrophilia? - No.

"There is nothing sexual in that the stabs hit in her genitals," he says. - I do not know if you consider it a sexual act when you are hit by the genitals. It's maybe for you, it's not for me.
 
  • #951
Thanks for all this, L_I As Google has its usual mysterious quirks - 'pediatric pediatrician' for 'forensic [pathologists?] ' - your translation and interpretation is very valuable.

Yeah as usual. I try to translate as long as I can get the peace to do it. :-)
 
  • #952
He seems very different than at the first hearing.

At the first hearing he sat straight up in the chair and spoke loudly. This time he is far more quiet and seems more affected than before.

He says that he has inflicted some punctures on the bodyparts because he would have the bodyparts not to flow up by the gases. - It is random and not according to any plan. They are inflicted on the knowledge of a layman. There has been no erotic or perverted motive. There I have to draw the line. I do not want to say more about it.

You have explained that you had tipped screwdrivers on the submarine, says the prosecutor - they were intended for another purpose, says Madsen.
The prosecutor now shows a very long screwdriver, purchased in Biltema.
He does not want to answer whether the stab is applied with knife or tapered screwdrivers. He tells that the tapered screwdrivers can be used as ground spikes, and are purchased for that purpose. He confirms that he has taken the tapered screwdrivers into the submarine, and he has taken the pipe pieces into a black bucket for another purpose.
He says there were many other things that you could use for the purpose of lowering your body parts, if you wanted to,
He says he does not know when he has taken these things down. But it was before August 10th.

Now he says it may be August 10th that he has taken the pipe pieces and the tapered screwdrivers down. But he says he can not be sure.

The prosecutor says he can understand that everything with the stabs is something to let out gases. - What ever caused the torso to come up and drive ashore was that it had not been done to an extent that was enough
 
  • #953
Uncertainty about why he has done what he did.

The prosecutor now asks for the stings in the abdomen.
PM answer: "I'm also not sure I can make sense of it. It was terrible there and I do not want to go into the biological details. I have never ever been violent of any human being. Neither someone who was dead. I've started somewhere with the stabs on her body. I do not know how deep they are, he says.

The prosecutor asks whether he was sexually turned on in connection with the stabs.
"Legally speaking, you can not have sex with a dead person, and because she was dead when this happened, it can not be a sexual act," said Peter Madsen, asking why she was not dead of the stabs if she was alive when they were inflicted, stating that the cause of death was not established.

The prosecutor says he has already been aware that the stabs were inflicted just before, during or after death, but not hours after, according to the autopsy. "They are inflicted hours after death," says Peter Madsen.

Peter Madsen is now annoyed and say that he does not want to go into details of what has happened to Kim Wall - but only want to say that it has happened after death

The prosecutor asks so much about when the stabs in the abdomen was inflicted, because it is important for him to have PM to be convicted of another sexual intercourse with particular aggravating circumstances. If it has happened after death, it is just for dismembering the body.

10 minuttes break.
In the break, Peter Madsen is sitting quietly and speaking with his defense

Peter Madsen has a wound on the nose back. He touches his hand around his face, and when his defender asks him something in the break, he squeezes his eyes together as if he has trouble remembering. He takes his black glasses when he looks down to the audience seats
He also sits and smiles a little when he talks with his defender.
Now he goes down to the questioning-seat again. He is sitting with a curly back and with his toes in the ground.
 
  • #954
Admitting to lying.

The prosecutor starts asking what he did with her clothes in connection with the dismembering. He says he took it off and later it got in a bag where he threw it overboard. The prosecutor says that earlier in a statement he said that he answered no to that he took her panties. He now admit that it was him who took her pants off. He can not say anything about the damage on the panties.
He says he collected loose objects around the submarine afterwards. But he did not know what there was of clothes, so he might have overlooked something.
What I can conclude is that there has been an accident on board and it must go away, he answer on the prosecutor's question whether he was trying to hide traces. He rejects that he kept her panties and tights as a trophy that the prosecutor asks for.

The prosecutor now shows some of Kim Wall's hair on a screen.
PM rejects that he has cut hair of Kim Wall. The decapitation has occurred. This may have happened during this. I can not deny that there are hairs cut off. I have not cut hair off to deliberately change her hairstyle.
 
  • #955
Strange interests.

The prosecutor try to proof that if he saved Kims Wall's stuff, tights, hairs, notes, it was because he had plans to say he had put her off -
PM: I had not planned to do anything so cruel at Nautilus, he says.
Have you had Bent Isager's book 'Man chasing a beast and catching a human' or Ove Dahl's book 'New cases' at your workshop?' Asks the prosecutor.
PM: Yes.
Have you been interested in Amagermanden?
PM: Not especially. I know about the story. I know more about history now than I did before August 10th. But I have not found Amagermanden particularly interesting. I have been interested in the technical details. I am most interested in Bent Isager's psychological way.

PM says he is wondering how they can get the idea that he has plans to plant evidence. "I know that everything I do online can be traced," he says
He denies that he has been interested in the part of the Amagermand case of planting false DNA evidence
He rejects the prosecutor's question that he receives footage of Kim Wall while on board the submarine.

PM: I had taken the camera with me because I figured that something could be filmed. He says, however, that he found out that there was no card in the camera. He becomes annoyed that the prosecutor asks if he has hidden the card.
- When did you throw the phones in the water?
PM: - During the night. Kim Wall's phone seems to be in one of the bags, but I do not really know

Have you made footage after you've had sex?
Yes, I have, he answers. "It's not a lot that I've done that," he says.

Records have been found where he has had a gopro camera on his head during recordings.
The recordings were found on a hard disk, which the police found. He says that it has been purchased to Rumlaboratoriet. - The hard drive has a woman been lending. It did not have a password and everyone could take it. It has been on a shelf and in a computer bag. Everybody have had the opportunity to take it and save things on it, he says.
 
  • #956
Its not Mickey Mouse....!

The prosecutor now shows an animated movie found on the hard drive on a big screen.
Peter Madsen protests against it. - If you are presenting a narco-case, it is not the case that the judge must try drug. These movies are some I've seen very rarely. Maybe I've seen a single movie, and then it's been a while before I've seen one more.
"I would not be able to see them now," he says. "I think you should save it to the professional judges," he says.
The defender is now asking for a break to talk with her client

These are two animated films of 40 and 64 seconds, but drawn. The prosecutor warns in advance, but says that he has evaluated on that it can be displayed on a big screen. There will be no video of mating or of the video where a woman will cut the throat as mentioned at the last hearing.
 
  • #957
Unfortunately I have to stop translating now because I get a visitor.

Hopefully it will be recapped later in the news.

They will soon have lunch-break anyway and this afternoon it is the defense-lawyers turn to questioning Peter Madsen.
So its not that much you miss anyway.
 
  • #958
:tyou: Logical_Inference!! Much appreciated!

I'll be back later than!
 
  • #959
Here's a reminder of when he'll be back on trial:

*Trial continues (Day 2) - Denmark - Kim Isabel Wall (30) (Aug. 10, 2017) - Peter Langkjær Madsen (46) charged with premeditated murder in addition to dismemberment & sexual relations other than intercourse of a particularly dangerous nature & indecent handling of a corpse. Pled not guilty. Trial continues
March 21 - Hearing of PM
March 22 - Witnesses
March 23 - Witnesses
March 26 - Witnesses
March 27 - Witnesses
March 28 - Witnesses
April 3 - Witnesses
April 4 - Documentation
April 5 - Reserve Day
April 23 - Procedures
April 25 - Verdict
37 witnesses will take the stand during case, 29 from the prosecution and 8 from the defense.
 
  • #960
The prosecutor asks why he can not get her body out without cutting her head off because he does not understand it.
"I do not do that either, Jakob," PM said with a low voice.

What, PM is still saying "Jakob"???

Don't know if I really want to know the rest. It's like every question reveals or hints at a new horror.


Thank you for all the translations, Logical_Inference. Take a lot of fresh air if you can.
 
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