Detectives Confident In Case Against Anthony

[OcalaMom]

It worries me too. I am one who truly believes that she killed her daughter. BUT...if I were on the jury, I would have to say there is reasonable doubt. I guess because I still have that naive false hope, that noone could do something this horrible to any beautiful, pure, child.

I may be wrong, but I believe that jurors are instructed on exactly what reasonable doubt means.

False hope isn't reasonable doubt. I don't think anyone can fathom what causes a person to kill another. Just because we can't understand it or believe it does not "reasonable doubt" make.

 

[sweetmop]

Hello - long time lurker, first post....

More and more, this case absorbs my attention (and sickens me at the same time). The evidence that continues to be released convinces me that little Caylee has gone home to God. :frown: It is so hard waiting for the wheels of justice to turn - but this video encourages me that LE is going to make absolutely SURE that the charges they bring will bring a conviction. So I wait, albeit impatiently...
One question that still pops into my head, however...have they ruled out searching landfills completely? I still think that may be a possibility. I would like to see this little angel brought home to rest.

Welcome Jen38! So glad to have you join us! :Welcome-12-june:

I'm obsessed with this case too! A beautiful child, discarded like garbage! Really unimaginable to all of us here!
I have always felt that the landfill would be a good place to search.And # 1 on places to search I think I do remember reading that it has been searched at one time.I know LE knows alot more and has alot more info we know nothing of... I hope sweet Caylee is found. She deserves that much.

 

[sweetmop]

I guess my whole feeling here is that I was raised to treat others as I would want to be treated. The Golden Rule, I guess.
And most of us are kind and cordial to even strangers, throughout our day, in everyday life.
I just believe that you should treat your family, your spouse and children, with as much respect as you'd give strangers or aquaintences.

 

[Bree0372]

"ITA! Casey reminds me so much of Scott it is scary!"

I always thought an interesting jail reality tv show could be... Casey and Scott in a relationship, and see who survives it. It may reduce the time tax payers have to pay to provide for the likes of them. The profits can go to a missing child fund.

Sorry if anyone is offended (except if Casey's reading this).

You haven't offended me one bit Maureen! I tell my hubby all the time that KC reminds me of Scott. I would love to see the 2 sociopaths have at each other. But, given their track records for relationships/affairs, they may like each other. He may even carve their initials in a cork from their first bottle of wine. :sick:

In the end she can always play her ace in the hole. Take a reduced sentence in exchange for leading LE to the body.

Dr.P - she has no 'ace in the hole', IMO. As sad as it is to think about, there may not even be a 'body' for her to lead LE to.

The more I see, hear and read, the more I hate this woman! And I am usually not a hater!

This is the most disturbing case that I've ever followed!
There were so many red flags all throughout littl Caylee's short life! And no one stepped in to rescue her from the monster!:furious:
So very sad!

Is there any one of us here that can even imagine calling your child "snot head"? This makes my blood boil!:furious: She is pure evil! EVIL!!!
I have so much satisfacion in the news that KC will soon be arrested and put where she should be and where she needs to stay! It just can't come soon enough!:clap:

I pray that somehow, some way she will tell LE where she hid Caylee's remains.

It literally haunts me that the sweet little girl was thrown away somewhere out there in the elements , like garbage!

This case has touched my heart like no other. The only one that comes close is Laci's. I can't imagine calling my child, if I had one, any kind of name such as "snot head". Just as bad, AR (in IM's) referred to her nanny as being the "offspring handler". So, Caylee was just 'offspring'? :furious:

I just told my husband last night that I can't get out of my head that this precious child has laid somewhere and rotted (it's graphic, I know) and/or has been eaten by the alligators. What kind of mother would do that to her child? Oh, I know, a "spiteful b*tch". KC doesn't deserve the title of being called a 'mother', IMO.

Watching NG last night, as soon as she played the audio where LA said that KC said 'maybe I'm just a spiteful b*tch' my husband (who doesn't follow this case that close - only when I rant), said there is your motive. She is getting back at her mother and getting rid of 'her problem' at the same time. What a sick b*tch! JMHO

 

[justice4bubbies]

I think we will all sigh with relief once her ARSE is behind bars WITHOUT BAIL!!!!!

And without segregation.....please let that happen! :clap:

 

[sweetmop]

Bree0372. My hubby said the very ssame thing! He said "God she really is a spiteful "b", and she thought I'll show her!(Cindy). Right there's your motive."

I can't get that out of my head either... of Caylee's being discarded out there somewhere.
How can she lie down and sleep at night???

 

[Bree0372]

And without segregation.....please let that happen! :clap:

AMEN! Let Big Bertha at her - she'll start talking then fore sure. She doesn't deserve *special treatment*.

Bree0372. My hubby said the very ssame thing! He said "God she really is a spiteful "b", and she thought I'll show her!(Cindy). Right there's your motive."

I can't get that out of my head either... of Caylee's being discarded out there somewhere.
How can she lie down and sleep at night???

KC had the motive, means, and opportunity, IMO.

I'm like you though, poor Caylee is out there somewhere. I can't imagine what she may have went through.

I fully believe the 'cold sweats' and 'nightmares' around 7/5 were about Caylee and not her relationship with AL.

I don't know how she can live with herself knowing she discarded her baby like trash, but if she doesn't answer for it on earth, she will answer for it someday. No lying there either cause He knows the truth.

 

[MiraclesHappen]

I may be wrong, but I believe that jurors are instructed on exactly what reasonable doubt means.

False hope isn't reasonable doubt. I don't think anyone can fathom what causes a person to kill another. Just because we can't understand it or believe it does not "reasonable doubt" make.

No, you're right , Ocala :yes:

They are absolutely instructed on the meaning of "Reasonable Doubt."

Both prosecution and defense, have the right to request that their particular jury instruction, as to how to define that term, be presented to the jury.

Each side can have a version that is more oriented to helping their side prevail at the trial. They are standardized definitions and quite lengthy.

The final version as to which definition is given in the jury instructions is up to the Judge...

jmo

 

[jademonkey]

The article is on the website now:

http://www.wesh.com/news/17563488/detail.html

According to other sources, lab tests have been ongoing as recently as this week to "triple check" that evidence. Investigators said they're confident those tests will provide "iron-clad proof" that Caylee's body was in the trunk of the car, how her body was positioned and that strands of her hair fell out after she died.

My heart is broken!

 

[lkd-ga]

WIN over controlling bad mommy ( CA ) and freed her for the " party life with TonE and others "

Another long time lurker here. I think Casey's motive was
a combination of pressure from her mother who was now see a counselor to deal with casey. Cindy was starting to set boundrys with Casey and Casey did not know how to react to this. She had always been able to get her way with her family and Cindy was changing. About the same time Tony was teasing her about their relationships. She was losing control of everything around her. I think in a fit of rage something happen to Casey.

 

[jademonkey]

Yes, but KC is extremely spitefull, and once she is convicted (crosses fingers) and she realizes shes going to prison for life (or worse), and has nothing else to lose, I think she may tell her Mother and family what horrible things she did just to make them suffer..She obviously wants them to suffer even though they are playing this nutty cat and mouse game in that house of horrors they are living in.

jmo

I think you are on to something here. The parents are all "on Caseys side", in my opinion hoping she will trust them and tell what happened. I think Casey ticks a different way. In Lee's statement he talks about Casey being upset telling him the story and then Cindy comes in, Casey and Cindy argue and her whole demeanor goes from sad to "it's on"! I think Cindy needs to get in her face and start calling her a bad mother, bad daughter just totally "p*ss" her off until she is so mad she blurts the truth out, to be a spiteful b**ch and hurt her mom. Worth a shot, * kissing isn't working so turn against her.

 

[TxLady2]

Okay so we have:
No motive: I thought that's the thing they did have....
No Body:
No Murder Weapon

In common law jurisdictions, murder has two elements or parts:

the act (actus reus) of killing a person
the state of mind (mens rea) of intentional, purposeful, malicious, premeditated, and/or wanton.

I can see where a lawyer can spin this to show a jury reasonable doubt with what has been released. Does anyone know if there is a president for a case without those 3 things?

I sure don't, but I guess anything is possible.
I agree with you, all Baez has to do is show reasonable doubt. This is why the LE is releasing all this evidence now because it is highly prejudicial.
Unless they can positively tie Casey into this somehow, an impartial jury could acquit. Without a cause of death, or a time of death, without the body, without a witness, a murder weapon, or a provable motive.... they don't have a good case against her. Sorry... I'm not siding with Casey, I hope she will be convicted, and I hope they have a lot more evidence than what we've been given so far. Because none of it so far proves she murdered Caylee. It only proves she is a liar and a thief and a big time party girl.
I personally hate these games that the prosecution and the defense play with each other all the time. LE releases all these tapes and transcripts, then Baez turns around and starts rumors saying Caylee was sold or kidnapped and taken to PR. And implying that Casey knows she is alive and safe.
Reasonable doubt.. that is all this is. He does not have to prove she is innocent. The burden of proof is on the prosecution. Good Luck!!

 

[Themis]

"Snot head", "Turd" or any other nasty name or nickname is still emotional abuse. It doesn't matter whether it is with boatloads of love. It is still emotional abuse. It causes damage. Psychiatric and Psychological experts testify to this.

Sometimes it takes a while for society to understand and adopt new information from the experts. What may have been normal in the 1950s, we now know is spousal abuse. (A man has to discipline his wife = "old think.") Spouses do not hit spouses.

Calling a family member a nasty name is emotional abuse whether to a spouse or a child. Casey's calling Caylee nasty names or referring to her with a nasty name was emotional child abuse.

 

[Fandy]

I guess I should stop referring to Mr. Fandy as a D***head when he acts like one....

 

[Maui4me]

This post is great news. They are not going to arrest her until they have to in order to avoid that wierd double jeopardy thing and they have all the evidence they need... once they arrest here, they have to be ready for trial in 190 days.

I am wondering if when she is arrested and she knows that they have her dead to rights, if she will give up where Caylee is to take the death penalty off the table. She is too narcissitic to think of a beauty like her dying. JMHO

 

[diane952]

I guess I should stop referring to Mr. Fandy as a D***head when he acts like one....

Mr Fandy is fair game.....hes a man..LOL

 

[Themis]

Yes. Even when they act like one. If I were prosecuting this case, every time I had to refer to something that Casey did with respect to Caylee, I would say,

"Spiteful told Cindy that she would pick-up Snot Head on June 16th before George went to work."

I would keep doing that -- substituting "Spiteful " for Casey and "Snot Head" for Caylee until the Judge made me stop. It would make an impression on the jury that would be damning for Casey. Emotional imprints and reactions have a way of turning the outcome of cases as much as "iron clad evidence."

If it can do that to a simple criminal prosecution -- what can endless repetitions of it in a family do to the self esteem of a child or spouse? It is extremely damaging and that is why it is abuse; even if the speaker didn't intend it that way. Boatloads of love don't wipe out the caustic, damaging effects and people decades later will relate is quiet, sad voices, even at funerals, "She used to call me, Turd." Maybe, we can learn something about this Casey case -- how NOT to be a family member. Maybe if Casey's behavior acts as an opportunity to observe and for us to do better, this would be a good legacy for little Caylee.

JMHO

 

[jademonkey]

I agree. I know people do it -- call their family members nasty names -- or even worse, give them nasty nicknames. I know they say they love this person.

Name calling, directly to the person or when talking about the person to others is a form of emotional abuse.

It diminishes the other person. Regardless of ... but ... but ... but ... I love her ... it sends a message. The message is this ________ (bad name) _____ family member is not highly valued. People "get" the message no matter what conflicting statements are made about "love."

When you hold somebody in high esteem you don't talk down about them and you don't treat them like dirt to the family member directly or when talking about them to others.



Kids especially "get" the message and carry that hurt with them through life. It is emotional abuse. It is evidence in court -- like in child abuse and neglect cases in juvenile court -- of emotional abuse. It can be part of a case to terminate parental rights. It probes the real emotional feelings Casey had about Caylee. It would have hurt Caylee's feelings to hear Casey say that. It would have made the boyfriend think Casey didn't think highly of Caylee.

My dad always called me "Dirty Ernie or Dirt Shirt" because I was always outside getting dirty and my room was always messy. Nope, not messed up over it (I'm 40 now), he lives a block away, still sometimes calls me dirt shirt, and I LOVE IT! We laugh about it.

 

[Themis]

Mr Fandy is fair game.....hes a man..LOL

Interesting comment about the current state of our society. You probably meant that tongue in cheek.

As a wife of a male husband, mother of sons, daughter of a father, sister of brothers and brothers-in-law, aunt of nephews, etc, I hold the men and women, both, in my family in high esteem. My extended family raises lots of wonderful, loving and highly successful men. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that male bashing is not acceptable behavior. JMHO

 

[reefshadow]

I firmly believe the chloroform was used for cleaning, too. First of all, if the concentration in the air was so high, how could anyone drive the car without passing out? Second of all, in doing MY OWN web searches after this evidence was released, at first glance one might assume chloroform destroys DNA...if she searched, but didn't take the time to really read, she probably thought she could destroy all the evidence...

The Chloroform was concentrated in the trunk, and not the car itself.

Chloroform would be an odd thing to clean with. It is used in some industrial applications as a solvent and to isolate other chemicals, but for general cleaning bleach would work just as well or better. Bleach if used in high enough amounts can completely destroy DNA and other chemicals.

I agree that in a general net search a person might think that it could be used to destroy DNA but ironically it can actually be used to isolate it, lol. Makes me wonder if she shot herself in the foot.

Chloroform is actually very easy to make oneself, but difficult to make in quantity and difficult to remove from suspension without some basic chemistry equipment. Without the net search I would surmise that she made it in the trunk by accident, but the net searches are pretty damning.

Chloroform also degrades very quickly and is not very useful or reliable for long term storage and use.

I wonder all the time why she didn't just buy a bottle of bleach and go to a carwash, remove everything from the trunk (spare tire, carpet, and all) soak everything in bleach and just fill and drain the trunk with water over and over. Easier to explain a wet bleachy trunk than one that smells of decomp. Or why she didn't just open the doors and trunk and drive the car into a body of water and report it stolen.