Detectives Confident In Case Against Anthony

[OcalaMom]

No, you're right , Ocala :yes:

They are absolutely instructed on the meaning of "Reasonable Doubt."

Both prosecution and defense, have the right to request that their particular jury instruction, as to how to define that term, be presented to the jury.

Each side can have a version that is more oriented to helping their side prevail at the trial. They are standardized definitions and quite lengthy.

The final version as to which definition is given in the jury instructions is up to the Judge...

jmo

Thanks, Miracles
:blowkiss:

 

[jademonkey]

"Snot head", "Turd" or any other nasty name or nickname is still emotional abuse. It doesn't matter whether it is with boatloads of love. It is still emotional abuse. It causes damage. Psychiatric and Psychological experts testify to this.

Sometimes it takes a while for society to understand and adopt new information from the experts. What may have been normal in the 1950s, we now know is spousal abuse. (A man has to discipline his wife = "old think.") Spouses do not hit spouses.

Calling a family member a nasty name is emotional abuse whether to a spouse or a child. Casey's calling Caylee nasty names or referring to her with a nasty name was emotional child abuse.

No offense but this can't be a blanket statement! Children are deeper than you are giving them credit for. If a parent has a good loving relationship with their child, the child is not insecure. Children pick up on emotions long before they can even understand words, it's amazing! Also** maybe Caylee had a cold at the time and she really was a "snot head" at the moment or terrible two's maybe Caylee was being a "little snot head" as two years old often are. It's really was it said with love or spite.

I believe it can work a few ways:

1.You can have a loving, great relationship with your kids and call them these names like "little stinker, booger etc.." out of love and it's not a problem. In fact they like it. My dad called me "dirt shirt", (I'm 40 now) and he still does sometimes. I love it, it make me smile! My parents have always showed unconditional love to me, so I never questioned that he called me that for reasons other than I was always outside getting dirty and my room was always a mess.


2. You can have a not so good relationship with your kids and call them "my princess" or "sweetheart" and guess what the kids still understand the dynamic and will be insecure. The pick up on the intention, the heart, the emotion! It's that whole actions speak way louder than words.

Here another example: My kids school (I sure others also) now call the time out spot a "safe spot". Their intention is for it not to be a scary or bad place, you weren't bad, just a safe place to calm down. They tried to put a pretty "title" on a negative experience. It didn't work as the kids now just associate a "safe spot" to be a negative, I am in trouble place. They could change the word but the kids are smarter..it's the emotion!


JMHO

 

[Gma Kat]

I guess I should stop referring to Mr. Fandy as a D***head when he acts like one....

You have the same pet name for your hubby as me!!! Kindreds!

 

[Gma Kat]

No offense but this can't be a blanket statement! Children are deeper than you are giving them credit for. If a parent has a good loving relationship with their child, the child is not insecure. Children pick up on emotions long before they can even understand words, it's amazing! Also** maybe Caylee had a cold at the time and she really was a "snot head" at the moment or terrible two's maybe Caylee was being a "little snot head" as two years old often are. It's really was it said with love or spite.

I believe it can work a few ways:

1.You can have a loving, great relationship with your kids and call them these names like "little stinker, booger etc.." out of love and it's not a problem. In fact they like it. My dad called me "dirt shirt", (I'm 40 now) and he still does sometimes. I love it, it make me smile! My parents have always showed unconditional love to me, so I never questioned that he called me that for reasons other than I was always outside getting dirty and my room was always a mess.


2. You can have a not so good relationship with your kids and call them "my princess" or "sweetheart" and guess what the kids still understand the dynamic and will be insecure. The pick up on the intention, the heart, the emotion! It's that whole actions speak way louder than words.

Here another example: My kids school (I sure others also) now call the time out spot a "safe spot". Their intention is for it not to be a scary or bad place, you weren't bad, just a safe place to calm down. They tried to put a pretty "title" on a negative experience. It didn't work as the kids now just associate a "safe spot" to be a negative, I am in trouble place. They could change the word but the kids are smarter..it's the emotion!


JMHO

It's like calling a pet...you can say in a sweet welcoming voice "Here little piece of doo doo" or you can say in a stern voice "Here precious" - guess which one the dog comes to!

 

[TripleA]

Haven't read through all the pages yet, but I agree with those who think that the chloroform was used for cleaning DNA, not killing Caylee. It is one of the things that makes me believe that GA was involved in the cover-up.

 

[Gma Kat]

Haven't read through all the pages yet, but I agree with those who think that the chloroform was used for cleaning DNA, not killing Caylee. It is one of the things that makes me believe that GA was involved in the cover-up.

I've wondered about that myself because of his LE experience, which I'm not sure exactly the nature because I am a stupid newbie....chloroform seemed extreme for just knocking caylee out when lots of OTC methods are available (wasn't there a European couple suspected of od'ing their daughter on children tylenol or something?

 

[Leila]

They just want to make sure WHEN they charge her, they charge her with the RIGHT charge and that all the evidence and investigation done is AIRTIGHT.

Casey's lawyer can request a quick trial in FL and they want to make sure they are ready to go once they charge her.

They are re-testing evidence, triple checking. I think that is great news.

My guess is that as soon as Casey is charged with murder, JB will start dragging his feet. He will ask for the trial date to be continued to a later date to review the evidence. It's going to be February or March at the earliest before we see anything happening after she's charged. If she's charged mid-October, it will be mid-April for a trial date (state must bring charges to trial in 180 days).

 

[diane952]

Interesting comment about the current state of our society. You probably meant that tongue in cheek.

As a wife of a male husband, mother of sons, daughter of a father, sister of brothers and brothers-in-law, aunt of nephews, etc, I hold the men and women, both, in my family in high esteem. My extended family raises lots of wonderful, loving and highly successful men. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that male bashing is not acceptable behavior. JMHO

it really wasnt meant to be a comment about the current state of society..just a little joke..

 

[jademonkey]

it really wasnt meant to be a comment about the current state of society..just a little joke..

Thank You!:clap::clap::clap:

 

[diane952]

someone calling thier 2 and a half year old kid a snothead or whatever it was IS probably about the current state of our society..At least in KC society.

 

[mybrokenwings]

I think that KC also used the chloroform for knocking out Amy so she could steal her money and make the poor girl think she was sleep walking. Amy DID say that she felt unusually groggy that next day. I think she used it on others too so she could steal from them. If they would all think back when KC stayed at their apartments, others might begin to put two and two together. There is no telling how many people KC has ripped off. Most people don't really know exactly how much money they have to the dollar amount.

I too believe that KC used it on Caylee. I think that GA was in shock at first when he picked up the car, but slowly came around to figure out what had happened. He and CA are both guilty of destroying evidence and covering up a murder.

 

[impatientredhead]

It's like calling a pet...you can say in a sweet welcoming voice "Here little piece of doo doo" or you can say in a stern voice "Here precious" - guess which one the dog comes to!

I have a malamute, so I will go with same reaction to both... completely ignores me or actually goes the opposite direction

 

[FifthEssence]

Chloroform to clean the decomp smell from the trunk. (This is what I honestly believe it was used for and not used on Caylee.)

I agree with you on the Chloroform issue after hearing about how meticulous GA was about keeping the family autos detailed and clean as noted in the LA interview) Mom washed the clothes and he cleaned the car ...oh so innocently.

I am curious about the cholorform internet search dates though...

 

[2goldfish]

I wonder all the time why she didn't just buy a bottle of bleach and go to a carwash, remove everything from the trunk (spare tire, carpet, and all) soak everything in bleach and just fill and drain the trunk with water over and over. Easier to explain a wet bleachy trunk than one that smells of decomp. Or why she didn't just open the doors and trunk and drive the car into a body of water and report it stolen.

This is the big question mark for me too. what sort of nasty b****** doesnt at least vacuum? voila, no hair evidence. I mean lucky she didnt but ew. but what do I know, I would have a dead anything in my trunk....


....although really this thread breaks my heart, I hate to think of the beautiful little girl as "the position the body was in", it just makes me so sad and sick.

 

[Themis]

This is from the American Academy of Pediatrics -- part of the AMA.

Emotional Abuse

Not all abuse is physical. Neglecting your child's needs for emotional support, love and caring is also a form of abuse. Emotional abuse is one of the most pervasive and damaging forms of child abuse. Belittling, ridiculing, name calling, and being disrespectful and unreasonably critical toward your youngster can have serious emotional consequences and long-term repercussions. Like more violent forms of abuse, emotional abuse can impair your child's self-image and self-esteem and interfere with his ability to function well in society. He may have difficulty making friends and relating to peers. In fact, he may avoid participating in activities with other children, and being in situations in which he's required to give and receive affection. Instead, he may be prone to being aggressive and oppositional. He might also develop learning difficulties or hyperactivity or have problems such as bed-wetting or soiling. Or he might act "pseudomature," becoming a caretaker for adults and others far beyond roles appropriate for his age and development.

When this emotional abuse occurs, especially repeatedly over an extended period of time, it can have a lifelong impact, affecting a youngster's happiness, relationships and success. He may become somber, unable to enjoy himself, and prone to self-defeating behaviors. At the extreme, he can become self-destructive, engaging in self-mutilation and even attempting suicide.

As with other types of abuse, emotional abuse is often inflicted by parents who themselves were raised in an environment where they experienced emotional mistreatment by their own mothers and fathers. Being made aware of the way they are treating their children is an important first step for these parents in bringing their abusive behavior to a halt. Often they are not conscious that their behavior is damaging; if they knew what they were doing and were more sensitive to their child's pain, they would probably want to do something to stop it.

Visiting a physician or a clergyman is a good way to start looking for help with emotional abuse. You might be referred to a mental-health professional or to community organizations or churches that offer parenting classes aimed specifically at helping you talk to and problem-solve with your child.

Excerpted from Caring for Your School-Age Child: Ages 5 to 12, Bantam 1999

http://www.medem.com/MedLB/article_detaillb.cfm?article_ID=ZZZW84HP8FC&sub_cat=355

Casey's name calling Caylee was emotional abuse. In other web articles by experts, name calling is considered aggressive emotional abuse.

 

[Tracy1]

Haven't read through all the pages yet, but I agree with those who think that the chloroform was used for cleaning DNA, not killing Caylee. It is one of the things that makes me believe that GA was involved in the cover-up.

But, and it's a big but, what happened that night she spent the night with Ricardo and caylee and casey and he were sleeping in the same bed, then she says her mom called in the middle of the night so she took Caylee home.

Cindy says Casey never brought Caylee home in the middle of the night.

Did she chloroform caylee and put her in the trunk so she could have sex ?

Where was Caylee?

Thats what I think she was using Chloroform for.

I know its nutty but the week before she killed Caylee, Cindy was on vacation and had Caylee the whole time. I think Casey felt free, was with her new boyfriend (Tony..and many more).

The next week she had to take care of Caylee again...and I think she did use choloform a few times so that she could do what she wanted.

But my opinion could change again!!

 

[karenmamo]

"Snot head", "Turd" or any other nasty name or nickname is still emotional abuse. It doesn't matter whether it is with boatloads of love. It is still emotional abuse. It causes damage. Psychiatric and Psychological experts testify to this.

Sometimes it takes a while for society to understand and adopt new information from the experts. What may have been normal in the 1950s, we now know is spousal abuse. (A man has to discipline his wife = "old think.") Spouses do not hit spouses.

Calling a family member a nasty name is emotional abuse whether to a spouse or a child. Casey's calling Caylee nasty names or referring to her with a nasty name was emotional child abuse.

Calling Caylee ugly names is the least of our concerns. JMO:crazy:

 

[Themis]

Calling Caylee ugly names is the least of our concerns. JMO:crazy:

I understand how you meant that. However, it is relevant and material to the charges currently pending and to a possible homicide charge. It can be used as evidence on the child abuse/neglect charge. It can be evidence and part of the overall picture.

I should have explained myself better.

 

[Themis]

it really wasnt meant to be a comment about the current state of society..just a little joke..

Oh, I know you meant it as a little joke. :blowkiss: I just see quite a bit of male bashing going on in society. People used to joke about women too, but now, in the workplace, we call it gender discrimination or sexual harassment and it is worth a lot of money for one of those claims if the employer has allowed that kind of culture to become institutionalized in the workplace. So when we're talking about men, why isn't the same true as talking about women? Just sayin'

 

[Fandy]

please know that Mr. Fandy takes no offense when i call him out on his behavior, he just continues on...we have great mutual respect, even when he irritates me.