*DEVELOPING*CO Shooting at Movie Theater #2

[mysticskye]

His first photo - He looks like he is way off. He had a smirk that was creepy and his eyes are creepy.
I said the exact same thing Pax sais.

OH and By the way I know plenty about Mental Illness.

I think his eyes have that typical schizophrenic look. I have worked with a number of schizophrenic people in the past. not in a clinical setting; more of a social services setting.

 

[matou]

Jacobson said he made a point of sitting down to lunch with Holmes at least a half-dozen times, trying to draw him out and encourage him, but found it impossible to make conversation. "He was extremely shy," he said. "It was really hard for him to say anything. You had to ask yes or no questions."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/23/us-usa-shooting-denver-profile-idUSBRE86M02A20120723

 

[gngr~snap]

Booking Photo of JH

Photo from The Denver Channel

He is FLAT, wild eyed and unemotional, both hallmarks and telltale signs of one who is struggling with mental illness and or depression of some sort.

I agree! It's progressing and in an adult THAT IS NOT NORMAL!
Could even be...
Myasthnia gravis (thyroid issues) or a brain tumor!

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=brai...14&ved=1t:429,r:11,s:68,i:334&biw=910&bih=442

If they exam him and find out he is just evil that's fine too...
and I will believe it but until I'm told differently, my feeling is he
may really be ill!
Insane? NO WAY!

 

[katydid23]

I have been thinking along the lines of too much LSD, but that is only conjecture. He was interested in brain function and abnormal brain function, so i am assuming he had an interest in LSD. It is the substance of choice for wacked out, totally altered state of mind. in my opionion LSD is not 'bad' in and of itself, but it is totally dangerous in certain situations, especially if you are tripping a lot by yourself. solitary tripping can be the epitome of a paranoid, delusional state if you do not feel totally comfortable with your surroundings. High anxiety would also lead to bad trips, in my opinion. Abusing LSD while alone (tripping by yourself, indoors) can be a bewildering, dark experience. When using LSD with really close friends who you know love and care about you can be a wonderful, positive event. And outdoor tripping during the daytime is almost always a light, fluffy trip.

My opinion about the ecstasy is NO WAY a person who is high on real MDMA could commit such a brutal crime, unless he was suffering from the after effects of MDMA abuse. It drains the serotonin and low serotonin is linked to violence and suicide.

Being a student at UC Berkeley in the late 60's, I have to say I agree with you completely. I knew many people who tripped, myself included. Being with friends, at an outdoor rock concert, was a joyous experience. But those who took way too much, over and over, all alone, went to a very dark place. And some never made it back again.

 

[matou]

I'm beginning to think his academic intelligence in his chosen field may have been a bit overblown. JMO

 

[winterrose]

Yes for sure it would also make his pubils bigger. But was he also on the vicodin at the gun store, maybe, we dont know.

Yep, Vicodin make the pupils appear to be extremely constricted to pin points like in the mugshot. I'm sure with all his four months or so of prepping for what he did, he also prepped for a defense. This is why he sat down after the shootings, told LE he had taken Vicodin and wanted the glory of setting up the bombs in the apt. He's not insane, he's a cowardly nobody and is setting up a defense he was acting like the joker and on drugs. He thinks he's smarter than the public, LE and the court. BTW, he doesn't look like the joker, he looks like Ronald McDonald.

 

[songline]

He obviously wasn't. Graduated college with no problems, got accepted into a PhD program with no problems. If he showed up for his interview looking as the potted plant, does anyone think the PhD program would have accepted him? He was also able to legally purchase guns. That again goes against some long established history of mental illness.

Sometime Mental Illness does not have a long established history.
My daughter is MI I knew it 10 years before the doctors did. I kept praying because Doctors were not diagnosing much…could not come up with anything till 8 years ago by then she was almost 40. Diagnosing can take more than skill, and time, not easy when the person you are diagnosing is brilliant.
My daughter has a 155 IQ and did not want to be found out, she tricked the best doctors. One time I had to call 911 because she was way out of kilter...
She convinced them to take me to the hospital. Then they apologized to me and said she is classic
Challenging case to diagnose. Once it was diagnosed they saw all the rest immediately, but she can still run rings around most doctors.

 

[jjenny]

I'm beginning to think his academic intelligence in his chosen field may have been a bit overblown. JMO

It was good enough for him to graduate college with honors and be accepted into prestigious PhD program. Which is already a lot more than most people are able to accomplish.

 

[gitana1]

I dont know if anyone noticed but there was a guy in a gun store that saw XX come in to the store and he has since said that he was WIDE EYED and LOOKED OUT OF IT, that is EXACTLY what he looked like today and when he was at the gun store that was before he was in jail or medicated by court order while in jail and MORE IMPORTANTLY it would have been BEFORE he felt he would have to FAKE looking crazy, so this tells me THERE IS INDEED something wrong with XX and it is some sort of mental illness, I wont diagnose without all the facts but I am pretty sure of that much.

Respectfully redacted by me.

Hey, Pax, show me a court order to medicate this coward.

I highly doubt he has had any access to any psych meds yet at all. It normally takes a long time before inmates who are booked can be evaluated by a psychiatrist and prescribed drugs. Even in emergencies, it is common for truly psychotic people to just lay their wailing or eating feces for days before help arrives.

In fact, one expert states:

Unlike many in his situation, a court expert told CNN that he showed none of the nervousness or fear typically displayed by someone facing such serious charges. "I think you're looking at a very tired individual combined with what his normal personality might be," said CNN legal contributor Paul Callan. He also commented that it did not appear nor was it likely, that XXXXXX was on anti-psychotic medication or other psychiatric drugs in court.

http://www.examiner.com/article/unl...s-was-medicated-during-first-court-appearance

I frankly think he looked more nutso in the original photo they kept showing of him. Sinister smile, to me. Weird eyes.

But the level of planning that went into this - nah. Once I learned about that, I just can't buy that this guy is that crazy. There's something off, of course. And I think you could see that to some degree before the massacre. But if he was acting that bizarrely before this event, I doubt anyone would have sold him firearms. At two different location no less.

Nope, I find it very convenient that he is suddenly so crazy he can't function in court but for two months he was sane enough to meticulously plan a horrific tragedy. I'm just not buying it.

 

[PAXIMUS]

I agree! It's progressing and in an adult THAT IS NOT NORMAL!
Could even be...
Myasthnia gravis (thyroid issues) or a brain tumor!

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=brai...14&ved=1t:429,r:11,s:68,i:334&biw=910&bih=442

If they exam him and find out he is just evil that's fine too...
and I will believe it but until I'm told differently, my feeling is he
may really be ill!
Insane? NO WAY!

Agreed, we need the facts, until then we are just passing time.

 

[songline]

I think his eyes have that typical schizophrenic look. I have worked with a number of schizophrenic people in the past. not in a clinical setting; more of a social services setting.

Maybe... I am not a Dr. so I do not diagnose... But I know more then I want to know He is definitly MI.
I have taken many MI courses and been around it for a long time.

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

Just a general statement that I would like to make, speaking as a professional and from personal experience:

There may be no excuse for what a person does, but there are always reasons. Let's not be so focused on "no excuses" that we shy away from understanding or acknowledging the reasons.

JMO, as I said, personally and professionally.

 

[PAXIMUS]

I dont think he is just evil and that may not be popular but that is ok I have never been one of the cool kids anyway.

 

[21merc7]

Whatever it is that made him this "off" I'm betting he still knew and knows right from wrong. That is the qualifier for insanity defense. His iq was not below 70, no matter what it really may be either. And, he wouldn't have been posting "will you see me in jail" if he didn't know this was the end result of his actions. just saying.....

 

[Isabelle]

Could large amounts of Vicodin make an individual appears flat a few hours after taking them?

Probably more like 30 to 45 minutes after taking a large amount, and can cause death.

 

[PAXIMUS]

SONGLINE you know MI well, what do you see here with JH since you dealt with your daughter through it all, I am curious.

 

[winterrose]

A woman was on a show last night, she said her and her daughter would see him in the store all the time and walking to school. She said he was always smiling, but something about him seemed strange, she couldn't put her finger on it. She never said he looked like he was on drugs or eyes were wierd, anything like that. He had a backpack and looked like a normal student in a polo shirt. This is an act to get off. If he gets put in an institution, he can be declared sane later and be freed, he knows that. I don't know if he can go to prison once he's declared sane, it would depend on the laws of the state, I guess.

 

[PAXIMUS]

Whatever it is that made him this "off" I'm betting he still knew and knows right from wrong. That is the qualifier for insanity defense. His iq was not below 70, no matter what it really may be either. And, he wouldn't have been posting "will you see me in jail" if he didn't know this was the end result of his actions. just saying.....

I dont think an insanity plea is going to work but I am not sure he is competent to stand trial right now either.

We will see as more facts emerge.

 

[Boytwnmom]

and all kinds of other mental illnesses. What this criminal did is not becasue of depression and I really think this type of thinking does a disservice to the many millions of people who have suffer from depression, bi-polar disease and others. They are not dangerous people, prone to acts of violence and mass murder by virtue of their mental illness. Can someone with a mental illness also be a criminal-yes, but it is nto causal nor particularly relevant.

As far as I'm concerned whether the guy was ever depressed is as irrelevant as whether he ever had kidney disease. Neither causes mass murder and linking and diagnosing mental illnesses from photos suggests that mental illness is some causal factor here. The only relevant mental standard here is whether he is competent to stand trial-and there is zero indication he isn't based upon his crime and how it was committed and anything else is just rank speculation, that is, to me, irrelevant to the crime and the justice system.

Depression effects every one differently.

 

[manzana]

I have chosen not to quote anyone here, not wanting some posters to feel singled out.


However after reading several comments, it would not come as a surprise that JH will have plenty of penpals and most likely to get married in prison. Something he probably could not accomplish in the free world as I doubt that has has had a girlfriend.