Devil's Advocate

[mahmoo]

"Maybe some will get a clue what this forum is all about. ":


Should I have posted my comments elsewhere? Just asking because I am new.

I wouldn't worry about it too much.....just stick around and keep posting if ya want to.

 

[LI_Mom]

Questionable stains that show up under a black light.
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We don't know what color carpet was in the trunk, so that makes it even more impossible to speculate.

Here's an interesting article about forensics & black lights:

http://chemistry.about.com/cs/howthingswork/f/blblacklight.htm


All these findings would require different types of tests, I assume. Again, how much do they have available to test??

Since the child was already missing for a month... the police would probably be reckless to rush to test in the field & potentially destroy important evidence.

 

[LI_Mom]

"Maybe some will get a clue what this forum is all about. ":


Should I have posted my comments elsewhere? Just asking because I am new.

Christine only meant that people pose questions & then come up with answers or logical theories.... THAT'S what WebSleuths is all about.

Welcome aboard.

 

[sugarbritches]

Thank you Mahmoo...I am seriously having difficulty translating how to take some posts...

 

[sugarbritches]

O/T.....And thank you too LI MOM. I love being here, but not on Caylee's forum. Wish I could have met you all elsewhere. Poor baby.

 

[Clearly Confused]

I'm torn as I always am with any case where the mother is the suspect. I always try to hold out hope that no mother could do this. Sadly, I have been wrong but until then I am hoping she didn't do anything to that baby.

 

[Bobby62]

Following your devils advocate lead....

If anyone working in the back yard had cut themselves, even slightly, and blood had dripped on the ground or in the trunk. Possible, not probable.

I do not even know if this is possible but maybe phlegm from sneezing was decomposing. It is white blood cells.

Maybe Casey left her in the Car and she died in the Orlando heat. It seems to happen in central FL about once a month. The average person seems to call authorities though.

The bag of pizza and garbage may have had used menstrual fluids in it. People on septic throw away instead of flushing.

The detective at the bond hearing seemed to say that the dog hit in the back seat and trunk. Somehow it all got switched to trunk.

Occam's Razor will prevail in this case, MOO

 

[Alcina]

I understand exactly what you are saying Tricia. You really made me think. What I keep coming back to is Ricci would have told the truth right away if he knew HE had not done anything but he knew who did or knew anything at all that could help. Casey has not done that. She speaks in riddles and it helps noone, not even herself.

 

[Chanler]

Of course, in the Elizabeth Smart case, the father was the focus of attention for some time.

Police often pressure suspects in various ways, hoping that something (not necessarily a straightforward confession) will emerge. That they turn out to be wrong sometimes (the Hatfill episode in the anthrax case comes painfully to mind today) is deeply regrettable, but comes with the territory.

In this case, the doubt seems not to reside in who did something, but in what was done.

 

[ShouldBWorking]

I think anything is possible, but what about the comraderie and respect between officers. George is former LE and you'd think that they would be trying to help him since he was/is one of them.

I have thought this a few times, maybe they are being soft because George is one of them....

I also have thought about the dogs, I heard some place that they brought the second dog in for another opinion, I have thought what if the first dog hit on the smell but the dog isn't "mature, trusted whatever" so they bring a second dog in but out of respect for cop #1 the #2 handler says,
"yeah my dog hit the same spots..."

I also believe she is guilty as sin, but just thoughts I have late at night when this crazy case is keeping me from a good nights sleep....

 

[curiositycat]

Something in this case STINKS. I have seen seasoned lawyers, detectives and profilers on tv that say they have never seen anything like this. The other night Jeanine Shapiro said on Fox "Something about this is not right, I just sense that something is going on."

There is a lot more to fusion then meets the eyes at first. The guy that owns fusion also owns the Exotic Car business that put up the 225,000.00 reward.

I know about cops and I know about that "blue line" that they have. That brotherhood. If there are crooked cops involved it will go all the way up to the judicial system because that's how they take care of things.

My ex-husband, years ago now, was a cop. I was almost killed by him. The things I went through were so bizarre that it felt like I was in a horror movie. The day he almost killed me he had driven by and threatened me with a gun. I saw a friend of his go by in his police car. I ran after him and yelled to him "**** is going to kill me, he is in a rage and he is going to kill me this time." The man laughed at me and said "I am off duty" he drove off and left me to die. This and worse had gone on for years until one honest cop came out when a neighbor heard this and called 911 that day. I am alive today because of him.

To me this case smacks of "cops being paid off by Mafia" I ask you was Casey just a young innocent girl that got herself in way over her head with the wrong people? Was Caylee taken by someone involved and sold into some child sex trade??

OR

Is Casey just a sociopath murderer who wanted a life of sex, drugs and rock and roll and didn't want a child to tie her down?" Did Casey use one to many Xanax (zanny the nanny) and accidently kill Caylee?"

Are we all crazy or is our intuition telling us that something about this case is just too bizarre to be true?

The reason this site has seen so many newbies is that it is one of the most fascinating and unbelievable cases I have ever seen in my lifetime

The friends she has at fusion won't talk because if I am right about this they too will be too afraid.

If Cindy and George are bucking the system, and I think they are, they probably won't get to far..unless like me they are sent one angel to help them.

A part of me thinks they are all just a bunch of loony tunes..and then there is the other part of me that says "What the H*** is going on here?"

 

[angelwngs]

I might be way off base, but it seems that not only does Casey seem somewhere out in the Twilight Zone in what one would consider normal concern and normal actions to attempt to find her missing 2 year old daughter, but it appears to me if she seems to be enjoying the spotlight and the attention that Caylee being missing has cast on her.

Has anyone reported her being distraught to the point of tears even over her own circumstances of being jailed? I have not heard or seen anything except her taking a strong, bold attitude in video and on audio tape. She seems to show no vunerability for Caylee or herself. She seems to be performing like a real tough cookie, in charge and not about to show any sign of compassion or vunerability.

 

[Clearly Confused]

Something in this case STINKS. I have seen seasoned lawyers, detectives and profilers on tv that say they have never seen anything like this. The other night Jeanine Shapiro said on Fox "Something about this is not right, I just sense that something is going on."

There is a lot more to fusion then meets the eyes at first. The guy that owns fusion also owns the Exotic Car business that put up the 225,000.00 reward.

I know about cops and I know about that "blue line" that they have. That brotherhood. If there are crooked cops involved it will go all the way up to the judicial system because that's how they take care of things.

My ex-husband, years ago now, was a cop. I was almost killed by him. The things I went through were so bizarre that it felt like I was in a horror movie. The day he almost killed me he had driven by and threatened me with a gun. I saw a friend of his go by in his police car. I ran after him and yelled to him "**** is going to kill me, he is in a rage and he is going to kill me this time." The man laughed at me and said "I am off duty" he drove off and left me to die. This and worse had gone on for years until one honest cop came out when a neighbor heard this and called 911 that day. I am alive today because of him.

To me this case smacks of "cops being paid off by Mafia" I ask you was Casey just a young innocent girl that got herself in way over her head with the wrong people? Was Caylee taken by someone involved and sold into some child sex trade??

OR

Is Casey just a sociopath murderer who wanted a life of sex, drugs and rock and roll and didn't want a child to tie her down?" Did Casey use one to many Xanax (zanny the nanny) and accidently kill Caylee?"

Are we all crazy or is our intuition telling us that something about this case is just too bizarre to be true?

The reason this site has seen so many newbies is that it is one of the most fascinating and unbelievable cases I have ever seen in my lifetime

The friends she has at fusion won't talk because if I am right about this they too will be too afraid.

If Cindy and George are bucking the system, and I think they are, they probably won't get to far..unless like me they are sent one angel to help them.

A part of me thinks they are all just a bunch of loony tunes..and then there is the other part of me that says "What the H*** is going on here?"

I would love to believe the story that someone involved has Caylee but why take her or keep her for that matter? Until they come out and say that little girl is dead I will keep hoping she it not.

Also, the only thing that stunk was Casey's car.

 

[angelwngs]

CC, I think you are right. IMO, it is one of two things: either an awfully tragic version of a sick Jerry Springer dysfunctional family show or there is something rotten in Denmark. With the Huge revenue which a large business like that provides the city/county there is a lot of room for over looking certain issues which might be considered less than legal... Who knows??? :waitasec:

 

[LI_Mom]

I might be way off base, but it seems that not only does Casey seem somewhere out in the Twilight Zone in what one would consider normal concern and normal actions to attempt to find her missing 2 year old daughter, but it appears to me if she seems to be enjoying the spotlight and the attention that Caylee being missing has cast on her.

Has anyone reported her being distraught to the point of tears even over her own circumstances of being jailed? I have not heard or seen anything except her taking a strong, bold attitude in video and on audio tape. She seems to show no vunerability for Caylee or herself. She seems to be performing like a real tough cookie, in charge and not about to show any sign of compassion or vunerability.

I think we saw her cry at her bond hearing.

She must of really thought she would be going home that day. Life sucks when mommy & daddy can't afford your $500,000 bond, huh? :crazy:

 

[Nedthan Johns]

Trish playing the Angel's Advocate is a better color on you.

The reason the babysitter story doesn't float, is because in addition to making her up, she also made up 2 employees that don't even work or no longer worked for Universal who she said could back up her claim. How convenient. So you have a babysitter they can't find, in an apartment that had been vacant since Feb. The babysitters mothers house that Casey said she couldn't remember which one it was, a private number that was disconnected immediately after Casey called it back, no photos, no numbers and no other person that can collaborate Casey's story. And all this from a girl that is unemployed whose parents were caring for her and her daughter.

The babysitter story is a lie.

What the police did today, was to buy them some more time, but also I agree to put more pressure on Casey and her family. I have no doubts they called in a psychologist who carefully planned this out. They are still processing the DNA evidence and what they did is to put the ball back in Casey's court. How are they supposed to look for this person when they don't even have a description of what she looks like, no photos, no number, no address, no one else in Casey's life that can collaborate her story.

Within the next week or two Casey will be charged with murder. They certainly will have sufficant evidence from that decompostion in her car, Caylee's hair, the dirt, cell phone records, and a timeline of deception. Casey's lies are about to come to an end

 

[RR0004]

Tricia...I just wanted to let you know you're not alone...I've been thinking of Elizabeth Smart all day today.

 

[Vegas Bride]

Tricia you bring up some excellent questions. I remember the Elizabeth Smart case and how so many just knew who did it! No one knew about the ones who actually had taken her.

In Caylee's case, atleast for me, pictures really do say a thousand words. In the photos of Casey she looks like she's having the time of her life. What mother who has an ounce of love for her daughter could be doing what she was doing in the month she was missing? Did she look like she was missing any sleep? Was she so distraught that she couldn't put her make-up on right? Was her mascara smeared from all the tears she was shedding?
The video's of her in court, this is not a woman who's baby is missing, she knows exactly where that little one is and is fine with it.
Pictures of Caylee also say something to me, that beautiful little girl imo was old beyond her years. Her eyes speak of watching what she does/says so she does not upset someone, now who could that someone be?

No one else knows of this nanny, doesn't it make sense that if Caylee spent time with a nanny that she would have talked about her to her uncle or gp's? Someone else would have been aware of her?

Casey spent time with her boyfriend while Caylee was missing, yet he knew nothing about it, what mother could keep this quiet and not give any signs of being in distress?

I've given this case a lot of thought, trying to come up with a solution where one day Caylee could be found safe and very alive, my heart breaks that with everything I have seen imo that will not be the case. Much like Stacy Peterson, we know she is not on some beach somewhere in her bikini with her boyfriend.
Yes sometimes police can go down the wrong road but here we have Casey, with a pattern of lies going back many years. The woman who had physical custody of her daughter and now her daughter is gone.
If something had happened accidently, wouldn't she have called for help, tried to save her? If she had left her in a hot car and came out to find her dead, wouldn't there have been some kind of reaction right there that other people would have seen? Would she have simply gotten behind the wheel and drove off as if nothing was wrong?
The only reason I can find logical for Casey to keep what happened to Caylee secret is that there would be evidence to what she had done, that could not be explained away as some terrible accident.

VB

 

[Nedthan Johns]

Curiosity: Wow glad you are still with us. Sounds like you lived through a real nightmare. You stated "The reason this site has seen so many newbies is that it is one of the most fascinating and unbelievable cases I have ever seen in my lifetime."

This case is nothing, the Ramsey case is truly fascinating and unbelievable. That's a real "Who dun It Murder Mystery." Right down to the pineapple" ;-)

Everyone is coming unglued today because the cops didn't give us all what we want, answers. Now all of a sudden everyone one from crooked cops to the owners of a night club are involved. Stick to the clues folks. This is a slam dunk easy case. If the cops thought for one minute this little girl was alive they would be posting some type of drawing of this Zenida. If not, they would be responsible if they had any type of information that they were holding back on. So unless the whole police department is crooked, that's not the case. The investigators already know Caylee is dead. In fact this news conference today only confirmed that you see. They want to see what else Casey is going to come up with now why they take all of the days the need left to build their case until they are forced to charge her or let her go. THERE IS NO ZENIDA FOLKS. NO BABYSITTER. Tests would have already come back on that stain, hair and decomposition found in that car. There is NO rush to find this little girl, because she isn't anywhere to be found, alive. A whole police department is not in on some big conspiracy and Caylee wasn't sold or traded for drugs. Her mentally unstable sociopathic, boarderline personality disorder mother killed her. Follow the evidence, it all points to ONLY one person. CASEY ANTHONY

 

[Tricia]

Welcome Sugarbritches.

Sorry about the confusion. Just remember to stick to the topic on hand. The case.

Today Christina, ( the moderator extraordinaire) had to read through this whole forum and delete 14 inappropriate posts. Posts that were too personal, angry, or did not have to do with the case. This is what Christine was talking about in her post.

Sugarbritches, whatever forum you decide to participate in jump in and stick to the topic and life will be wonderful.

Don't get off topic, like say, a certain forum owner who hijacks a thread to welcome a poster and then goes on and on and on and on....lol