Did Lisa's Mom do it? Poll
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hmmmm..... let's see:
Intruder does not enter through the window, instead just happens to walk inside the house because the door was unlocked, Turn on all the lights except for two, happens upon three cell phones in the kitchen, takes those, goes into Lisa's room (door closed), snatches Lisa, (Baby Monitor is on). Lisa I assume, starts to cry and walks out the front door without anybody walking up or making any noise...... Not to mention they must have known where Lisa's room was at.
Yeah that makes total sense.
Damn, that Intruder is lucky lucky........
Intruder does not enter through the window, instead just happens to walk inside the house because the door was unlocked, Turn on all the lights except for two, happens upon three cell phones in the kitchen, takes those, goes into Lisa's room (door closed), snatches Lisa, (Baby Monitor is on). Lisa I assume, starts to cry and walks out the front door without anybody walking up or making any noise...... Not to mention they must have known where Lisa's room was at.
Yeah that makes total sense.
Damn, that Intruder is lucky lucky........
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Among various theories in this case, I don't espouse the Intruder Did It :couch:
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**ETA: marge, ye ask and ye shall receive..:floorlaugh: just read your post and decided to dedicate this loooooooong post just to you for asking for it..lol..
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Thanks to Pensfan and kakidoll for both reminding me of the eye movements that were glaringly apparent in the video from my ^above^ post.. It's another issue I'd intended on commenting about in my ^above^ post but I got waaaaaay long winded with that post.. So, I knew I had to stop before it reached the character max per post..lol.. So, again thanks for reminding me of this other IMO important detail of the 7+min video..
Jeremy's eyes by far are the most obvious IMO!!!! Thru several mins of the video I just soley was focused on his eyes and where they were cutting, darting, and focusing.. During a part of the video where he was speaking.. But even more telling IMO were his eye movements when he WASN'T speaking!!*
If I were to strictly go on gut instinct and intuition alone in basing my opinion of what Jeremy's eye movements indicate I would have to say that I feel he is without hope almost it seems in recovering Lisa and that there is an overwhelming amount of suspicion he has for his only daughter's mother!!!
This is so very blatant and obvious by everything in this man's demeanor in this video..
It alone and by itself truly makes me feel a need to be suspicious of mom, strictly because the father seems to be consumed with this awkward, negative, suspicious demeanor of the mother!!..
I just now while typing this post went back and took another look, focusing on dad's obvious suspicion of mom whom he stands by her side as she literally bellows at times during the interview.. This father feels nothing for this woman's "bellowing" IMO.. Even if her pain and sadness are infact genuine, authentic, and she has no knowledge of whats happened to Lisa.. IMO at this point regardless even if all that is true.. IMO Jeremy does not for one second believe her claims, her cries, her shaking and bellowing in supposed emotion of her daughter being gone!! IMO Jeremy for whatever reasons "seems" to be displaying a demeanor that suggests great suspicion, uneasiness, and distrust in his daughter's mother, Deborah.. It is literally oozing from this man that he feels something similar to what I just described..
Why that is I'm not certain..*
Is it because he was suspicious from the get-go of Deborah?
Or did he initially have not a clue of what happened and certainly not a clue his fiancé was in anyway involved?? IMO I believe for this issue that's what I'm leaning more towards is that he was literally ambushed with this, not a clue of what he was walking into that early morning after his overnight shift.. That he initially in no way suspected Deborah!!
We now know in the early hours of the investigation that LE immediately used the divide&conquer technique(as was described by them both in a more recent interview).. LE immediately had them separated and alone and began to hammer away seeing what they could get to with some heavy handed accusing of each of them as they were separated and all alone in different areas of the police station.. As we also now know according to mom she was told outright that she murdered her baby and they knew it and telling her to give up the locale of baby Lisa's remains because they already knew it was she who'd murderered her baby.. We also know that somehow she also ended up actually hooked to a LDT machine that the end result was supposedly "failed miserably"..*
We do not however hear about any of these type tactics being used on Jeremy and infact he asked to take a LDT and LE refused stating it was NOT NECESSARY!!
I believe LE felt there to have been very good reason for seeming *to have polar opposite tactics with each parent in those first hours.. I think it's quite possible that LE for reasons unbeknownst to us at this time began to believe that the mother was lying, with holding info, and not being forthcoming with the truth.. Maybe not even specifically lying and deceiving about Lisa but that due to Deb's answers, responses, actions, and reactions along with possibly evidence coming to light showing her to have been deceitful amd lying about very relevant and important issues such as cheating and that there infact was a whole other individual that no one even knew existed and would need to be evaluated as a possible suspect.. That IMO would be more than enough for LE to have become extremely suspicious of mom and what she had done, and how and/or if this person whom she was hiding.. How did he perhaps play into what all had taken place?? By the time of the LDT this was being bandied about as a possibility(mom having an UNidentified boyfriend in the picture).. And I think it's likely this was possibly heavily hit on in the LDT to give LE a better idea if this could infact be true..
That of course IMO in and of itself would be more than enough to cause Deb to miserably fail the LDT if she was lying about the relationship..
So with all of that said IMO it's very likely that poor dad who hasn't a clue of what in the he!! He has come home to in this nightmare and the only thing he knew at that time was that his baby girl was gone.. I believe it's quite possible that once LE had found some way of confirming this other man that they decided to very much use this lying and deceiving that Deb was doing to Jeremy in her cheating.. I believe they began to use that to their benefit by possibly opening Jeremy's eyes to ALL or atleast some of what had been occurring behind his back with his fiancé and another man..
When LE let atleast part of this cat out of the bag with Jeremy to see where that would then lead them.. It's at this point that I think likely that Jeremy was learning with certainty for the very first time that Deb had infact been cheating behind his back.. I think he may have suspected leading up to this but that definitely when LE let him in on all or some of Debs extracurricular activities it was the first time that he knew it to be true with any degree of certainty..jmo..
IMOO I believe something similar to the ^above^ scenario could likely have been how the first part of this case played out.. I also think LE may direct Jeremy to not "call out" Deb on the cheating, but rather to attempt to be supportive, and play dumb to see what that leads them to.. There could be hundreds of different ways in which LE are choosing to go about this case, specifically if they were to have found about these lies of Deb.. They would be carefully choosing how to go about using such info to their advantage in helping to find out exactly who is involved and what has happened to baby Lisa..
This IMO would definitely make perfect sense for why we are seeing these obvious tell-tale signs of suspicion that Jeremy certainly seems to have of Deb.. My God if it is something similar can you just imagine how excruciatingly difficult this is for this poor guy to be acting the supportive fiancé, *believing her bs.. All to find out what's happened to his baby girl.. When what he really wants to do is confront this person he likely feels is a total stranger to him and that he is seething with anger and resentment toward.. Can you imagine how difficult they'd be for this dad??
Of course it goes without saying(but I'll say it just to CMA in case someone wants to twist that I'm stating any of this as any sort of fact).. This is all just discussing possible theories based on what little we know and combining it with the very obvious in demeanor suspicions that Jeremy seems to have about Deb.. Not staing any of these as fact.. As we clearly do not know if there is a cheating boyfriend that LE has uncovered from Deb's attempting to have hid.. IT IS ALL BEING DISCUSSED IN THEORY AS POSSIBILITIES OF WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE OCCURRED!!!
All in all nothing more than jmo, tho!!!
**Thanks to Pensfan and kakidoll for both reminding me of the eye movements that were glaringly apparent in the video from my ^above^ post.. It's another issue I'd intended on commenting about in my ^above^ post but I got waaaaaay long winded with that post.. So, I knew I had to stop before it reached the character max per post..lol.. So, again thanks for reminding me of this other IMO important detail of the 7+min video..
Jeremy's eyes by far are the most obvious IMO!!!! Thru several mins of the video I just soley was focused on his eyes and where they were cutting, darting, and focusing.. During a part of the video where he was speaking.. But even more telling IMO were his eye movements when he WASN'T speaking!!*
If I were to strictly go on gut instinct and intuition alone in basing my opinion of what Jeremy's eye movements indicate I would have to say that I feel he is without hope almost it seems in recovering Lisa and that there is an overwhelming amount of suspicion he has for his only daughter's mother!!!
This is so very blatant and obvious by everything in this man's demeanor in this video..
It alone and by itself truly makes me feel a need to be suspicious of mom, strictly because the father seems to be consumed with this awkward, negative, suspicious demeanor of the mother!!..
I just now while typing this post went back and took another look, focusing on dad's obvious suspicion of mom whom he stands by her side as she literally bellows at times during the interview.. This father feels nothing for this woman's "bellowing" IMO.. Even if her pain and sadness are infact genuine, authentic, and she has no knowledge of whats happened to Lisa.. IMO at this point regardless even if all that is true.. IMO Jeremy does not for one second believe her claims, her cries, her shaking and bellowing in supposed emotion of her daughter being gone!! IMO Jeremy for whatever reasons "seems" to be displaying a demeanor that suggests great suspicion, uneasiness, and distrust in his daughter's mother, Deborah.. It is literally oozing from this man that he feels something similar to what I just described..
Why that is I'm not certain..*
Is it because he was suspicious from the get-go of Deborah?
Or did he initially have not a clue of what happened and certainly not a clue his fiancé was in anyway involved?? IMO I believe for this issue that's what I'm leaning more towards is that he was literally ambushed with this, not a clue of what he was walking into that early morning after his overnight shift.. That he initially in no way suspected Deborah!!
We now know in the early hours of the investigation that LE immediately used the divide&conquer technique(as was described by them both in a more recent interview).. LE immediately had them separated and alone and began to hammer away seeing what they could get to with some heavy handed accusing of each of them as they were separated and all alone in different areas of the police station.. As we also now know according to mom she was told outright that she murdered her baby and they knew it and telling her to give up the locale of baby Lisa's remains because they already knew it was she who'd murderered her baby.. We also know that somehow she also ended up actually hooked to a LDT machine that the end result was supposedly "failed miserably"..*
We do not however hear about any of these type tactics being used on Jeremy and infact he asked to take a LDT and LE refused stating it was NOT NECESSARY!!
I believe LE felt there to have been very good reason for seeming *to have polar opposite tactics with each parent in those first hours.. I think it's quite possible that LE for reasons unbeknownst to us at this time began to believe that the mother was lying, with holding info, and not being forthcoming with the truth.. Maybe not even specifically lying and deceiving about Lisa but that due to Deb's answers, responses, actions, and reactions along with possibly evidence coming to light showing her to have been deceitful amd lying about very relevant and important issues such as cheating and that there infact was a whole other individual that no one even knew existed and would need to be evaluated as a possible suspect.. That IMO would be more than enough for LE to have become extremely suspicious of mom and what she had done, and how and/or if this person whom she was hiding.. How did he perhaps play into what all had taken place?? By the time of the LDT this was being bandied about as a possibility(mom having an UNidentified boyfriend in the picture).. And I think it's likely this was possibly heavily hit on in the LDT to give LE a better idea if this could infact be true..
That of course IMO in and of itself would be more than enough to cause Deb to miserably fail the LDT if she was lying about the relationship..
So with all of that said IMO it's very likely that poor dad who hasn't a clue of what in the he!! He has come home to in this nightmare and the only thing he knew at that time was that his baby girl was gone.. I believe it's quite possible that once LE had found some way of confirming this other man that they decided to very much use this lying and deceiving that Deb was doing to Jeremy in her cheating.. I believe they began to use that to their benefit by possibly opening Jeremy's eyes to ALL or atleast some of what had been occurring behind his back with his fiancé and another man..
When LE let atleast part of this cat out of the bag with Jeremy to see where that would then lead them.. It's at this point that I think likely that Jeremy was learning with certainty for the very first time that Deb had infact been cheating behind his back.. I think he may have suspected leading up to this but that definitely when LE let him in on all or some of Debs extracurricular activities it was the first time that he knew it to be true with any degree of certainty..jmo..
IMOO I believe something similar to the ^above^ scenario could likely have been how the first part of this case played out.. I also think LE may direct Jeremy to not "call out" Deb on the cheating, but rather to attempt to be supportive, and play dumb to see what that leads them to.. There could be hundreds of different ways in which LE are choosing to go about this case, specifically if they were to have found about these lies of Deb.. They would be carefully choosing how to go about using such info to their advantage in helping to find out exactly who is involved and what has happened to baby Lisa..
This IMO would definitely make perfect sense for why we are seeing these obvious tell-tale signs of suspicion that Jeremy certainly seems to have of Deb.. My God if it is something similar can you just imagine how excruciatingly difficult this is for this poor guy to be acting the supportive fiancé, *believing her bs.. All to find out what's happened to his baby girl.. When what he really wants to do is confront this person he likely feels is a total stranger to him and that he is seething with anger and resentment toward.. Can you imagine how difficult they'd be for this dad??
Of course it goes without saying(but I'll say it just to CMA in case someone wants to twist that I'm stating any of this as any sort of fact).. This is all just discussing possible theories based on what little we know and combining it with the very obvious in demeanor suspicions that Jeremy seems to have about Deb.. Not staing any of these as fact.. As we clearly do not know if there is a cheating boyfriend that LE has uncovered from Deb's attempting to have hid.. IT IS ALL BEING DISCUSSED IN THEORY AS POSSIBILITIES OF WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE OCCURRED!!!
All in all nothing more than jmo, tho!!!
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I wish an investigaive reporter would get with the parents and go back to the house. They could set up video and audio, go through and shut the br doors, turn on the lights and see how loud it would be in the brs and how much light goes under the door, time how long it would take, etc. Surely the parents wouldn't oppose to recreating some of it with a non biased person. Maybe a local ws'er, lol. It would be so interesting......And maybe they could ask about that dang baby bed being full of stuff with the bedding on it. I'd still like to know if LE took the bedding and if so, who put the bed back together and filled it.
I know, I was being sarcastic. I don't believe the intruder did it either
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SmoothOperator, I was going to quote you but I thought it would take up too much space..
You lost me there, I am amazed how much detail you have in your posts about eyes darting in and such.
For me there is just not enough in yet to make a judgment against the parents. I can not imagine if my child was missing, What I would look like or how I would act. Today when I picked my son up from school, I was looking for him and could not even remember what he left the house in. I gave him those clothes and made sure he was all neat and ready for school, but I could not tell you what he was wearing. It got me thinking..
I don't know if the more you talk about something, The more clarity you get or the more confused. Add to that your child is missing...?? I don't know. I just can not make a decision just based off behavior.
As for the dad, I know a lot of men who just can not show emotion. And I would rather he not fake it like Peterson and Smith, and just be himself.
All I got for now..
You lost me there, I am amazed how much detail you have in your posts about eyes darting in and such.
For me there is just not enough in yet to make a judgment against the parents. I can not imagine if my child was missing, What I would look like or how I would act. Today when I picked my son up from school, I was looking for him and could not even remember what he left the house in. I gave him those clothes and made sure he was all neat and ready for school, but I could not tell you what he was wearing. It got me thinking..
I don't know if the more you talk about something, The more clarity you get or the more confused. Add to that your child is missing...?? I don't know. I just can not make a decision just based off behavior.
As for the dad, I know a lot of men who just can not show emotion. And I would rather he not fake it like Peterson and Smith, and just be himself.
All I got for now..
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I think there's probably a 40% chance that maybe, just maybe, an intruder did it. But what I really like is that little guy hiding behind the couch!
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wide open door here--"she was never missing, she drowned"
we all think our kids are beautiful and why wouldnt someone else want them too...but come on, how often does someone break in at night and kill or take a kid, then leave without waking anyone or harming anyone else or stealing something?
we all think our kids are beautiful and why wouldnt someone else want them too...but come on, how often does someone break in at night and kill or take a kid, then leave without waking anyone or harming anyone else or stealing something?
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Thank you!!
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SmoothOperator,
It's all good. :seeya:
Great post btw.
imo
It's all good. :seeya:
Great post btw.
imo
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After watching the interviews w/the mother, the failed poly and now this video about the wine and the unidentified man....I have to say yes, I think she is guilty. Of what I'm not exactly sure, was it a horrible accident she's covering up, was she foolin' around on JI and neglecting the kids and something happened to the baby or was it deliberate, I just don't know. Something just doesn't set right w/me when I watch her talk in these interviews, she can be teary eyed attempting to explain things then she's sobbing so hard she can't seem to stop then it does stop on a dime and she's back to just being teary eyed again.
I know everyone is different but she sure can gain her composure quick. When I'm to the point of sobbing I can't just turn that off and on, I'm either that upset or I'm not. Also, IMHO it seems she tries very hard to muster up those tears, maybe I'm being to hard on her but she is able to turn the water works on and off to quickly to me.
Whatever the case, if she knows and I believe she does, it's time to tell the truth, the whole truth for Baby Lisa. I wanted to believe the mother had nothing to do w/this but I just can't anymore. JI I think had nothing to do w/it....in my opinion, with things he's said in interviews that he's keeping his enemies close at this time. I could be totally off base but my gut says different. I would love to think that someone wanted a baby so bad that they did this and that she is being taken care of but I don't see it. I hope and pray she is alive and I am wrong. Whatever happened it needs to end. All just my opinion of course and I so hope I'm wrong!!
I know everyone is different but she sure can gain her composure quick. When I'm to the point of sobbing I can't just turn that off and on, I'm either that upset or I'm not. Also, IMHO it seems she tries very hard to muster up those tears, maybe I'm being to hard on her but she is able to turn the water works on and off to quickly to me.
Whatever the case, if she knows and I believe she does, it's time to tell the truth, the whole truth for Baby Lisa. I wanted to believe the mother had nothing to do w/this but I just can't anymore. JI I think had nothing to do w/it....in my opinion, with things he's said in interviews that he's keeping his enemies close at this time. I could be totally off base but my gut says different. I would love to think that someone wanted a baby so bad that they did this and that she is being taken care of but I don't see it. I hope and pray she is alive and I am wrong. Whatever happened it needs to end. All just my opinion of course and I so hope I'm wrong!!
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wanted a baby and 3 cell phones
I voted on the fence, but am holding on with both hands ready to jump over the side to mom had something to do with it. Being the last person to see baby Lisa has shades of CFCMAnthony and Scott Peterson. I really think in the next day or so I'm gonna hear something to make me fall off (or jump back on). Who knows.
Not meant to start a debate, this is just my opinion.
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Not meant to start a debate, this is just my opinion.
Thanks,
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I didn't vote but as of right now, I'm still on the fence. Although some parts of the story sound hinky, the mother looks sincere. And as I stated in another thread, the former spokesperson has just clouded all our minds with smoke and mirrors needlessly. JMHO
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I voted "mother did it" only because my initial visceral reaction when I saw her the very first time, was "Susan Smith".
I hope I am wrong. I was right with Scott Perterson, Susan Smith, Casey Anthony and others. I so want that beautiful baby Lisa to be safe and returned. Oh, I so want her to be alive and unharmed!
I hope I am wrong. I was right with Scott Perterson, Susan Smith, Casey Anthony and others. I so want that beautiful baby Lisa to be safe and returned. Oh, I so want her to be alive and unharmed!
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I remember being at my Mother's house when susan Smithfirst spoke to the media. Mom and I looked at each other and said "Guilty as sin" before she got the first statement out. I didn't get that feeling with DB at all.
ETA: I still find it puzzling why she mentioned the stray kitten though.
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BBM Oh, I so hope your "feeling" is the true one. I would not mind being wrong in the least, in this case.
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**ETA: marge, ye ask and ye shall receive..:floorlaugh: just read your post and decided to dedicate this loooooooong post just to you for asking for it..lol..
"Jeremy's eyes by far are the most obvious IMO!!!! Thru several mins of the video I just soley was focused on his eyes and where they were cutting, darting, and focusing.. During a part of the video where he was speaking.. But even more telling IMO were his eye movements when he WASN'T speaking!!*
If I were to strictly go on gut instinct and intuition alone in basing my opinion of what Jeremy's eye movements indicate I would have to say that I feel he is without hope almost it seems in recovering Lisa and that there is an overwhelming amount of suspicion he has for his only daughter's mother!!!
This is so very blatant and obvious by everything in this man's demeanor in this video.."
Clipped for space.
I noticed the same thing tonight when I was watching some repeat of the news. I thought his eyes were doing a lot of talking!
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