Did You Know That Patsy Spelled Advise Wrong In The Sample RN?

[Holdontoyourhat]

I can try!

Go for it.

Prove any of the following:

PR or JR lied about tea or pineapple.
PR faked the 911 call.
Unknown male DNA is not related to the sexual assault that night.
PR misspelled advise on purpose, or misspelled advise intermittently.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

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Not really, because, on the face of it, it's hard to believe a journalism major can't spell advise. On the face of it, it appears she misspelled deliberately.

Words in two documents are spelled differently --> two different authors.

Words in two documents are spelled differently --> one author lied and misspelled in both documents on purpose.

The former is the most direct obvious conclusion, while the latter requires the judgement that somebody lied.

 

[Chrishope]

Words in two documents are spelled differently --> two different authors.
Words in two documents are spelled differently --> one author lied and misspelled in both documents on purpose.
The former is the most direct obvious conclusion, while the latter requires the judgement that somebody lied.

Except that again, we aren't dealing with building a prima facie case against an actual intruder - beause nothing links with any known individual (other than the Rs) , so there is no presumption here that it is true that there are two different authors. We are dealing with what detectives would think about the evidence. If the Rs were charged this would be something to use as a defense, but it doesn't amount to prima facie evidence of an intruder.

Any sensible detective would think a journalism grad could spell advise, and therefore that she misspelled on purpose. It can't be proven of course, but it's what a good detective would conclude.

 

[BBB167893]

Go for it.

Prove any of the following:

PR or JR lied about tea or pineapple.
PR faked the 911 call.
Unknown male DNA is not related to the sexual assault that night.
PR misspelled advise on purpose, or misspelled advise intermittently.

Okay, here goes:

Lying about the pineapple? Well, I would usually start with Burke. He claimed early on in the case that JB was not asleep when they arrived back home. The Ramseys arrived home at 10:00 PM. Dr. Werner Spitz estimated the time of death as around 1:00 AM. That means that JonBenet had to have eaten the pineapple after she got home. Since the only fingerprints found on the bowl and spoon belonged to Patsy and Burke, JonBenet didn't get to it herself. She couldn't reach the top of the counter, so she'd need to climb on something to reach it, but nothing was out of place.

During the 1998 interviews, the first day John Ramsey was interviewed, he said that no one fed JonBenet pineapple under any circumstances, since she wouldn't have eaten it from an intruder anyway. Det. Thomas writes in his book, quote:

"The very next day he retracted that firm statement, saying his lawyer chastised him for making it. Nether he nor Patsy fed her pineapple, he said, but then he asked, 'What if she knew the intruder?' After thinking about it, he said, 'It hit me like a ton of bricks.' JonBenet 'adored' Santa Bill McReynolds, and if he had come into her room, she would have gotten out of bed and gone downstairs with him without a problem. 'She may have had a secretly prearranged meeting.' he said. 'Maybe he fed her pineapple.' The detectives stopped the tape and watched that section repeatedly. Only the day before, Ramsey had said such a thing was impossible. Now he laid it on Santa Bill."

Does anyone else smell burning pants? Not to mention the date on JB's gravestone.

Faked the 911 call? Well, it's not so much that as the story about Burke being asleep, which they later changed to say he wasn't.

Prove the DNA isn't related? Well, I suppose the strongest argument in my favor is that DNA cannot be dated. That technology just doesn't exist yet. (At least with trees, you can peel back the bark and count the rings.)

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Okay, here goes:

Lying about the pineapple? Well, I would usually start with Burke. He claimed early on in the case that JB was not asleep when they arrived back home. The Ramseys arrived home at 10:00 PM. Dr. Werner Spitz estimated the time of death as around 1:00 AM. That means that JonBenet had to have eaten the pineapple after she got home. Since the only fingerprints found on the bowl and spoon belonged to Patsy and Burke, JonBenet didn't get to it herself.She couldn't reach the top of the counter, so she'd need to climb on something to reach it, but nothing was out of place.

During the 1998 interviews, the first day John Ramsey was interviewed, he said that no one fed JonBenet pineapple under any circumstances, since she wouldn't have eaten it from an intruder anyway. Det. Thomas writes in his book, quote:

"The very next day he retracted that firm statement, saying his lawyer chastised him for making it. Nether he nor Patsy fed her pineapple, he said, but then he asked, 'What if she knew the intruder?' After thinking about it, he said, 'It hit me like a ton of bricks.' JonBenet 'adored' Santa Bill McReynolds, and if he had come into her room, she would have gotten out of bed and gone downstairs with him without a problem. 'She may have had a secretly prearranged meeting.' he said. 'Maybe he fed her pineapple.' The detectives stopped the tape and watched that section repeatedly. Only the day before, Ramsey had said such a thing was impossible. Now he laid it on Santa Bill."

Does anyone else smell burning pants? Not to mention the date on JB's gravestone.

Faked the 911 call? Well, it's not so much that as the story about Burke being asleep, which they later changed to say he wasn't.

Prove the DNA isn't related? Well, I suppose the strongest argument in my favor is that DNA cannot be dated. That technology just doesn't exist yet. (At least with trees, you can peel back the bark and count the rings.)

JB was not asleep when they arrived back home. So what?

JonBenet had to have eaten the pineapple after she got home this is true in intruder also.
JonBenet didn't get to it herself this is true in intruder also
no one fed JonBenet pineapple under any circumstances, since she wouldn't have eaten it from an intruder anyway. the most obvious conclusion here is that she ate the pineapple involuntarily.

they later changed to say he wasn't. (asleep) So what?
DNA cannot be dated. True

You believe they lied about BR and JB being asleep or awake, and that proves they were lying about everything else?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Except that again, we aren't dealing with building a prima facie case against an actual intruder - beause nothing links with any known individual (other than the Rs) , so there is no presumption here that it is true that there are two different authors. We are dealing with what detectives would think about the evidence. If the Rs were charged this would be something to use as a defense, but it doesn't amount to prima facie evidence of an intruder.

Any sensible detective would think a journalism grad could spell advise, and therefore that she misspelled on purpose. It can't be proven of course, but it's what a good detective would conclude.

You're not dealing with it, thats for sure. I am. I think we'll agree to disagree that JBR is a prima facie murder by intruder case. At first you wanted it to be seen as prima facie murder by parents, and now you don't want it to be seen as prima facie at all. I can understand that, because it seems to put RDI in the position that it has been in since 6 AM that morning: Contesting and challenging the existing evidence, spinning and twisting to convert an apparent murder by intruder into a filicide, while evidence of intruder just keeps mounting up.

 

[BBB167893]

JB was not asleep when they arrived back home. So what?

"So what?" The Ramseys claimed from day one she was asleep and never woke up.

JonBenet had to have eaten the pineapple after she got home this is true in intruder also.

Yeah, but you're not seeing the big picture.

JonBenet didn't get to it herself this is true in intruder also
no one fed JonBenet pineapple under any circumstances, since she wouldn't have eaten it from an intruder anyway. the most obvious conclusion here is that she ate the pineapple involuntarily.

Have YOU ever tried to make a kid eat when they didn't want to?

they later changed to say he wasn't. (asleep) So what?

Oh, it doesn't end there. First they said he was asleep, then they said he was really awake but acting like he was asleep, then they said that he was up and around and crying. They can't keep a story straight.

DNA cannot be dated. True

I expected you to make the most trouble on that one.

You believe they lied about BR and JB being asleep or awake, and that proves they were lying about everything else?

You're trying to paint me into a corner, and it won't work. But that is one of the perks of our judicial system: if you lie about one thing, a jury is allowed to conclude that you're lying about everything.

As to answer your question, I'd say it's a damn fine place to start.

 

[Solace]

JB was not asleep when they arrived back home. So what?

JonBenet had to have eaten the pineapple after she got home this is true in intruder also.
JonBenet didn't get to it herself this is true in intruder also
no one fed JonBenet pineapple under any circumstances, since she wouldn't have eaten it from an intruder anyway. the most obvious conclusion here is that she ate the pineapple involuntarily.

they later changed to say he wasn't. (asleep) So what?
DNA cannot be dated. True

You believe they lied about BR and JB being asleep or awake, and that proves they were lying about everything else?

John is a detailed liar also -- he says he removed JB's coat when he put her in her bedroom. Her coat was found in the car.

John and Patsy do not want her up because that will bring on a slew of "OTHER" QUESTIONS to them and to Burke. So the best way to do away with that is to say SHE WAS ASLEEP>. That was probably lawyerly advice.

It has been almost 11 years and not even a scintilla of an arrest. What we have is a ludicrous letter from an incompetent DA Lacy who a few years back folded when Lin Wood said he would sue her office. The woman is lazy and incompetent. She could not take an hour and go over the evidence that has been on the internet foreva to see if Karr was able to get it and if it verified what he knew?

She allowed Lin Wood to go on Larry King and say because Lacy went to Patsy's funeral, that means Lacy believed Patsy to be innocent. I never heard her say that was not true.

So for all intents and purposes Lin Wood cleared Patsy of the crime and had Lacy's backing all without Lacy's backing previous to the most recent letter.

I would think that would bother Lacy that someone had the audacity to speak for her, but apparently not.

 

[Solace]

"So what?" The Ramseys claimed from day one she was asleep and never woke up.



Yeah, but you're not seeing the big picture.



Have YOU ever tried to make a kid eat when they didn't want to?



Oh, it doesn't end there. First they said he was asleep, then they said he was really awake but acting like he was asleep, then they said that he was up and around and crying. They can't keep a story straight.



I expected you to make the most trouble on that one.



You're trying to paint me into a corner, and it won't work. But that is one of the perks of our judicial system: if you lie about one thing, a jury is allowed to conclude that you're lying about everything.

As to answer your question, I'd say it's a damn fine place to start.

Excellent post SD.

 

[Solace]

Words in two documents are spelled differently --> two different authors.

Words in two documents are spelled differently --> one author lied and misspelled in both documents on purpose.

The former is the most direct obvious conclusion, while the latter requires the judgement that somebody lied.

You can't be this dense.

 

[JMO8778]

You can't be this dense.

no but he thinks we are
all Holdon is doing is rearranging the chairs on the titanic.the R's still go down with it and the mountain of evidence on board.

I think Patsy should be on deck wearing her famous pin-striped blue suit,carrying a flashlight and yelling 'Keep your babies close to you!!' before it goes down.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

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Have YOU ever tried to make a kid eat when they didn't want to?


I have never tried to make a kid eat something against there will, at least not using a garrote with pointy ends, no.

You're trying to paint me into a corner, and it won't work. But that is one of the perks of our judicial system: if you lie about one thing, a jury is allowed to conclude that you're lying about everything.

As to answer your question, I'd say it's a damn fine place to start.

I'm going to look into the sleeping kids issue because RDI seems to challenge the existing evidence using lack of credibility on the part of the parents. Of course, lack of credibility doesn't apply to the trace DNA.

 

[BBB167893]

I'm going to look into the sleeping kids issue

Do that.

because RDI seems to challenge the existing evidence using lack of credibility on the part of the parents.

It helps.

Of course, lack of credibility doesn't apply to the trace DNA.

Wanna bet? Read what Solace had to say.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Do that.

I did.

You're claim is that the R's lied about Burke being asleep during the 911 call. JR states in DOI that he awoke Burke after police and friends arrived. BR confirms that in separate interview, where he stated he was awake pretending to be asleep, but still in his room (PMPT pb pg 686).

Neither JR or BR ever admitted to BR speaking in the background in the 911 call.

The only evidence to support the claim that the R's lied during the 911 call comes from a company that conducted an analysis of the 911 audio. The secret service conducted an analysis and couldn't find anything.

As for myself, I couldn't hear "what did you find" in either the 911 recording or the enhanced recording. I would have to hear it to believe it, since we're talking simple audible words and not microscopic DNA or anything.

It was never officially proven or shown that the R's lied during the 911 call. Were you saying it had been proven to be a lie? Because it hadn't really. Not even in PMPT were the R's shown as liars on this. I probably would not lower their credibility based on this, in a sense that if they lie about one thing then they're lying about all things, because its not a proven lie.

I'm missing something here. The idea that the R's lied is being used to lower their credibility, but I couldn't find that they were ever caught in a lie. Was there some other thing besides 'Burke in the background' that is really a proven lie, known to be a lie?

 

[Solace]

I did.

You're claim is that the R's lied about Burke being asleep during the 911 call. JR states in DOI that he awoke Burke after police and friends arrived. BR confirms that in separate interview, where he stated he was awake pretending to be asleep, but still in his room (PMPT pb pg 686).

Neither JR or BR ever admitted to BR speaking in the background in the 911 call.

The only evidence to support the claim that the R's lied during the 911 call comes from a company that conducted an analysis of the 911 audio. The secret service conducted an analysis and couldn't find anything.

As for myself, I couldn't hear "what did you find" in either the 911 recording or the enhanced recording. I would have to hear it to believe it, since we're talking simple audible words and not microscopic DNA or anything.

It was never officially proven or shown that the R's lied during the 911 call. Were you saying it had been proven to be a lie? Because it hadn't really. Not even in PMPT were the R's shown as liars on this. I probably would not lower their credibility based on this, in a sense that if they lie about one thing then they're lying about all things, because its not a proven lie.

I'm missing something here. The idea that the R's lied is being used to lower their credibility, but I couldn't find that they were ever caught in a lie. Was there some other thing besides 'Burke in the background' that is really a proven lie, known to be a lie?

Read it and weep: This is an interview granted to the National Enquirer by John and Patsy Liar, I mean Ramsey.

HOLD ON , THE BOLDED AND THE RED AND THE PURPLE PARTS ARE ESPECIALLY INTERESTING.

THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER
April 3, 2001

RAMSEYS CHANGE THEIR STORY ABOUT MURDER NIGHT

By David Wright & Don Gentile

"John and Patsy Ramsey have changed the story they told cops about their daughter JonBenet's murder -- they now admit their son Burke was awake during that Christmas 1996 nightmare!

In an exclusive ENQUIRER interview, the nation's most infamous murder suspects say Burke was jolted awake by screams in their Boulder, Colo. home.

"Burke knew something horrible had happened. He heard us screaming. He heard Patsy ...a woman in terror," John confessed. "We thought he was asleep but he wasn't. Burke was awake.

"Burke was frightened. He had tears in his eyes. He knew something very, very wrong was going on."

Until being questioned by The ENQUIRER, the Ramseys had always insisted that Burke was still sleeping when police arrived at their home after Patsy's 911 call.

But now John has admitted to The ENQUIRER that Burke woke up before the 911 call was placed at 5:52 a.m. to summon police.

In the Ramsey's face-to-face, in-depth interview with The ENQUIRER:

* The Ramseys - who still staunchly proclaim their innocence - broke their silence about what Burke knows of the murder and revealed fears their son will explode emotionally from keeping "a lot inside."

* Even though it's almost inconceivable that John and Patsy wouldn't talk to Burke about the murder, they say they didn't find out Burke was awake the morning of the tragedy until he testified before a grand jury nearly two and a half years later! - (BUT WITH PEOPLE LIKE HOLDON, THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM AT ALL - JUST KEEP TELLING THE BIGGEST LIE AND THE HOLDONS OF THE WORLD WILL BELIEVE IT)

* In chilling detail, the couple described the haunting nightmares and dreams they have about their murdered daughter.

* Patsy recently asked her dying mother to come back after her death and reveal JonBenet's murderer.

* John admits he saw the movie "Speed," which contains a key line found in the ransom note -- but claims he saw it on an airplane and didn't wear the headphones!

When the Ramseys arrived for the interview in Atlanta, oddly enough, Patsy gave an ENQUIRER reporter a hug -- then served up a dish of shamrock shaped St. Patrick's Day cookies.

In opening up about Burke for the first time, the Ramseys insisted they never once sat down with him to discuss the murder, but just said his sister "was gone...and was in heaven."

They also never told him they'd signed papers to make John's brother Burke's guardian if they were arrested.

The Ramseys were asked whether Burke, now 14, ever asked for details of JonBenet's death.

"He has never...we have never talked about anything," said Patsy, who wore a purple suit and white blouse. (THE WHOLE FAMILY IS SO FULL OF IT)

John, looking weary in shirtsleeves, said they also never told Burke that they are suspects in the murder. But he revealed that an attorney he hired to represent Burke told the boy before he testified at a grand jury proceeding in May 1999.

"His attorney sat him down and said, 'Understand, they are suspicious of your parents. Do you have any questions?'"

Surprisingly, Burke said he didn't.

"He's a pretty quiet kid," said John. (LUCKY FOR YOUR JOHN)

John and Patsy worry that Burke is keeping things inside and they fear it will lead to an emotional blowup as an adult.

"Yeah, I worry, you betcha we do," John said with a sigh. "In fact that's one of the risks you have with a child with a traumatic experience like that.

"They keep a lot inside and they don't really start thinking about it until they get to be 40 years old and that's when it hurts." (NO CHIT)

Burke has been strangely quiet about his sister's murder, the Ramseys reveal. They say it wasn't until Burke's 1999 grand jury testimony that they found out he was awake before police arrived -- but was pretending to be asleep.

"Yeah, he testified to that. We thought he was asleep but he wasn't," said John, who had told police their son slept through the tragedy.

A source close to the case declared: "It's hard to believe that John and Patsy didn't find out until tow and a half years after the murder that Burke was awake.

"I know the reaction of the cops will be: 'Why didn't Burke tell them? Why couldn't he discuss his sister's death with them? Was it because Burke knew more than he dared to say about his parents' involvement?'

"Whatever the reason, John and Patsy have changed their story."

When asked when Burke woke up, John said it was after Patsy discovered the ransom note shortly after 5:30 a.m. Then he quickly changed his answer to say Burke woke up after the 911 call.

But then John changed his story again, calling The ENQUIRER as we went to press to say that Burke was awake BEFORE the 911 call. John told us:

"Burke recalled his mother screaming, 'Where's my baby?' and me saying, 'Calm down, calm down, we need to call the police.'"

John's admission that Burke was awake came after The ENQUIRER revealed to him and Patsy the details of our earlier exclusive report that Burke's voice is heard on an enhancement made of the 911 call. The youngster says, "What did you find?" and "What do you want me to do?"

John Ramsey tells his son, "We're not talking to you."

But Patsy still insists: "When I made that phone call, burke Ramsey was nowhere in the vicinity of the telephone."

Asked what goes through her mind when she recalls the events of JonBenet's death, Patsy gave a bizarre childlike answer.

"It kind of makes my heart go pitty-pat. I mean right now, I'm feeling like, gosh, this happened to my child." (THIS REPLY DESERVES THE COLOR PURPLE)

During The ENQUIRER interview, Patsy admitted she considered and rejected the possibility that John was sexually abusing JonBenet. She openly admitted that during her struggle to defeat ovarian cancer between 1993 and 1994, John and Patsy's sex life suffered. She totally rejects the notion of John abusing JonBenet, but her reasoning is odd.

She said her mother "came to take care of the kids (when I had cancer). She slept in the other bed in JonBenet's room. I mean, if John was coming in to molest JonBenet, you know that's not going to happen 'cause Grandma was right there every night." (THIS MUST HAVE MADE JOHN FEEL BETTER, JUST WHAT EVERY HUSBAND WANTS TO HEAR)

The Ramseys maintain that JonBenet's bed-wetting was not a problem.

"This bed-wetting is nonsense stuff...a red herring," said John.

Patsy added, her voice rising: "When children are really tired and they don't go potty before they go to bed, sometimes they have accidents."

But the close source declared: "The investigators will never buy Patsy's claim that JonBenet's bedwetting wasn't significant.

"Right after the murder, the Ramseys' housekeeper Linda Hoffmann-Pugh told police the bed- wetting was a big problem within the family."

In discussing the ransom note, the Ramseys were reminded of an ENQUIRER exclusive that revealed police believe it was written by a killer using their opposite hand.

Patsy, who is naturally right-handed, was asked if she can write with her left hand.

"Can I write with my left hand?" she said, pondering the question. A smile crossed her face and she replied: "I can-- but not very well."

She confirmed that to get a sample of her handwriting, police made her write the ransom note "every which way."

The ENQUIRER asked if her left-handed writing was legible.

"Oh, I don't know," she said, then changed her answer, saying it wasn't legible.

That contradicts a source close to the investigation who said her left-handed printing of the note was legible.

Both John and Patsy expressed a stunning ignorance about the most notable line in the ransom note, which reads, "Don't try to grow a brain, John."

Even though references to the line have appeared in published reports many times since JonBenet's murder, they said they were totally unaware that the words are nearly an exact repeat of a line from the movie "Speed."

"Oh, is that from that movie?" asked Patsy, her eyes opening wide.

John admitted he had seen the film but insisted there's no way he could have remembered the line.

"I watched part of 'Speed' on an airline one day -- without the headphones. All I see is this bus."

In the years since the murder, Patsy said she has been haunted by a recurring nightmare about that tragic Christmas night.

"I am in Boulder and walking the alleyways, the alleys behind our home -- and just searching and searching and searching. And you know I'll come upon a group of people standing there.

And I'll say be careful, be careful, there's someone around here that's killing people. I have that dream over and over.

"I kind of picture myself sitting up kind of toward the Flatirons (part of the Rocky Mountains overlooking Boulder) and just wondering in which house the murderer resides."

John also has recurring dreams involving JonBenet -- but not as a 6-year-old, her age at the time of her death.

"She's usually about 2 or 3 years old and I'm holding her," John said, describing the dreams as "very comforting. I wake up with a very close feeling."

Patsy revealed she talked about her daughter -- whom she called Jonnie B. -- in her last conversation with her mother Nedra Paugh, who died recently.

"You know you're going to be with Jonnie B. soon and you're gonna know everything soon," Patsy said she told Nedra. Then she added: "If anybody can come back and tell me, I know she will."

Patsy was the last person to see JonBenet alive, sleeping in her bed -- "zonked," as she put it.

She said she kissed her daughter and recited the prayer, "Now I lay me down to sleep." But she can't remember if there was a blanket on the bed, or if it was the one JonBenet was wrapped in when her body was found in a windowless basement room the next day.

Pressed for further details of that night, Patsy responded like a woman who has had lawyers in her life for too many years: "It was 4 1/2 years ago. I have not rehearsed or reread my previous statements."

In closing, Patsy said she "would love nothing more from The National ENQUIRER than to say "The ENQUIRER finds the killer.'" And if that happened, she added "I'll be your poster for for the rest of my life."

Boulder Police Chief Mark Beckner would not comment on the Ramsey interview.

But in a gloomy assessment of where the case stands, he told The ENQUIRER: "there's really not much happening right now."

The Ramseys remain under an umbrella of suspicion.

 

[BBB167893]

I did.

Excellent.

You're claim is that the R's lied about Burke being asleep during the 911 call. JR states in DOI that he awoke Burke after police and friends arrived. BR confirms that in separate interview, where he stated he was awake pretending to be asleep, but still in his room (PMPT pb pg 686).

I refer you to a 2001 interview.

Neither JR or BR ever admitted to BR speaking in the background in the 911 call.

Exactly!

The only evidence to support the claim that the R's lied during the 911 call comes from a company that conducted an analysis of the 911 audio.

The Aerospace Corporation in California.

The secret service conducted an analysis and couldn't find anything.

Holdon, everyone knows private technology firms ALWAYS have superior technology to what the tax-funded gov't has.

As for myself, I couldn't hear "what did you find" in either the 911 recording or the enhanced recording.

Where did you hear this? Far as I know, the enhanced version has never been made public. The only public recording has been from a third- or fourth-generation copy. Lawrence Schiller remarked on that in 2003:

SCHILLER: The tapes that NBC saw and the tapes that other people recently saw are not first generation or original tapes. They’re third and fourth generation tapes and that’s where the difference is.

Michael Kane then followed up:

KANE: ... I can tell you, I listened to that tape, and there are people’s voices after Patsy Ramsey says “hurry, hurry, hurry.”

I would have to hear it to believe it, since we're talking simple audible words and not microscopic DNA or anything.

Well, I'm pretty sure that won't happen for a while, Holdon.

It was never officially proven or shown that the R's lied during the 911 call.

Oh?

Were you saying it had been proven to be a lie?

Yup.

Because it hadn't really. Not even in PMPT were the R's shown as liars on this.

Didn't you read the transcript in the book?

I probably would not lower their credibility based on this, in a sense that if they lie about one thing then they're lying about all things, because its not a proven lie.

Isn't it, now?

I'm missing something here. The idea that the R's lied is being used to lower their credibility, but I couldn't find that they were ever caught in a lie.

Perhaps you weren't looking hard enough.

Was there some other thing besides 'Burke in the background' that is really a proven lie, known to be a lie?

YUP. Tell you what, Holdon, I'm going to give you and everyone else here a little tidbit from the book. Then you can make up your own minds:

Another wrinkle is in JonBenet's hands, literally. On the palm of one hand was drawn a heart in red ink. In 1998, "Trip" DeMuth asked Patsy about it. She said that it was very well-drawn. Since she was known to draw hearts around loved ones in photos, he asked where it might have come from. Patsy said that JonBenet had a habit of drawing on herself, and that Patsy tried to discourage her from doing that because of pageants. She claimed that drawing hearts on hands was something JonBenet and Daphne White liked to do with each other.
The next day, Patsy was asked about it again. This time, she gave a much different answer, saying that she hadn't actually seen the heart, and couldn't say for sure whether or not she'd just read about it or heard about it. Didn't prevent her going into detail the first time.

Now, let's be specific here. The following are the actual words from the two interview days.

Day One:

DEMUTH: How do you know there was a heart on her hand?

PATSY: Because it was on there in the morning, that's why.

DEMUTH: You remember it from the next morning?

PATSY: Yes.

DEMUTH: What was your reaction?

PATSY: That was a pretty good little heart--well drawn.

Day Two:

PATSY: I am having trouble distinguishing whether I read about that or whether I actually saw that.

Mm-hmm.

I showed you the pinapple one before.

Lastly (just off the top of my head), we have Patsy's explanation for her fibers. Now, keep in mind she couldn't explain them when she was asked in 2000, when it really would have mattered. It took two full years to come up with an explanation, and even then to a news reporter. Her explanation was that when JB was brought up from the basement she lay across the body. "I had my whole body on her body."

Well, there's just one little problem with that: according to DOI (the R book), John said that he had already covered JB with a blanket (different from the one in the basement) before Patsy ever came into the room. This is borne out by the police reports. OOPS.

Remember, you asked for it.

 

[Solace]

And another thing in re the heart. If one would go back and read that interview which I have time and agian, THERE IS NO DOUBT they are talking about that morning the morning of the day they found JB. And Patsy reiterates it again and again and describes how well it was drawn and is very demonstrative when she says BECAUSE I SAW IT.

Upon realizing her mistake that night after John probably said you never should have said that - she said she must have read it in an autopsy report. BUT JOHN REITERATES AGAIN AND AGAIN that THEY DO NOT READ AUTOPSY REPORTS.

Oh that tangled web, and all that.

 

[DeeDee249]

You're right, Solace. I believe her words were "I thought, that was a pretty good little heart, you know?"
Yes, I think JR probably blasted her with "What the he** did you say THAT for- you know you weren't supposed to have seen her till she was under the Christmas Tree."

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Whoa, SD, where'd the lie go? What transcript?

I asked for 'proof' that PR/JR were 'caught' in any lie. So far, you've not sourced any official lie, that would justifiably put RDI in a position to disqualify all of their other testimony based on said lie.

Is there an official lie (as opposed to lies perceived by outsiders like yourself)? You know, a lie that those involved in the interviews/investigation actually stated that JR or PR made?

Why does RDI always seem to come up just a little bit short? BR almost but not quite offically in the 911 call, PR almost but not quite officially handwriting match, the R's almost but not quite the owners of the cord or tape, JBR almost but not quite officially a victim of chronic abuse??

It does make you wonder.

 

[DeeDee249]

Well, the "official" lie would be "I did not kill my daughter, JonBenet. I did not have anything to do with it."