Is this a roundabout way to say the R's lied?
Given his general position on the case, I'd say yes.
Because nowhere in here does anyone come out and state "they lied." Very careful, scripted, spun, not straight, but never 'lied'.
Don't split hairs with me, Holdon. I didn't go to the Bill Clinton school of semantics.
Its not too much to ask when it comes to disqualifying everything that potential witnesses have to say. It seems that that disqualification is happening out-of-hand, as opposed to being based on solid evidence of a lie.
Well, we have the pineapple, the fibers story, the 911 tape, the private investigator story, the story about skipping over the ransom letter on the staircase, etc. I don't mean to seem like a smart-a**, but how many cattle do you need to have before you yell "STAMPEDE?"
Here's an excellent opportunity for you to find a lie. Lots of R remarks. Can we find any lie? Not a 'perceived' lie, but a 'known' lie?
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/ne...ed-story-interview-john-and-patsy-ramsey-par/
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Well, yes.
1)
``We've not ever faulted anybody for looking at us,'' Patsy said. ``Our child, our home, we're the parents. But don't stop there. That's the trouble.''
That's a lie on two fronts: one, we KNOW (it's in PMPT) that the Ramseys were, quote, "insulted" to be considered suspects; two, the idea that the police never investigated anyone else. They investigated Jeff Merrick three times.
2)
Police are too quick to assume that a dead child means a killer parent, the Ramseys say. When parents do kill, they say, there's history: previous abuse or violence, drug use, other problems.
``Of parents who kill their kids, how many of those were normal families who loved their children and went to church on Sunday and had no history of any problem at all?'' John said. ``How many of those killed their children, percentage-wise?''
That's a lie, one that you yourself have perpetuated, Holdon. I write about this in my book at some length. Allow me to quote:
common sense tells us that if it were the case, there wouldn't be so many dead children at the hands of their parents. That is a trap that far to many people fall into. We, as human beings, have a psychological need for killers, especially child killers, to be different from us, because it's just makes us too uncomfortable to realize that they are regular people like us. We want them to be obvious monsters--some drooling, leg-dragging hunchback, much like the king in Shakespeare's Richard III. The truth is, child-murders are committed by people who are outwardly very normal-seeming. Darlie Routier had no history of any kind before she murdered her two boys. Susan Smith had not been abusive to her boys before she murdered them. Diane Downs had not been abusive to her children before she killed them. Neither had Marilyn Lemak or Jeffrey MacDonald. I haven't heard anything yet about how Casey Anthony was abusive, either. That's the problem with psychopaths: they don't always look like Charles Manson. They aren't all so easy to spot. It's a hard lesson for a cruel world, but we all had damn well better learn it: evil wears many masks. The mask of good is the most dangerous mask of all. One of the people who weighed in on this case early on was an incredibly courageous woman named Marilyn Van Derbur, herself a former Miss America and Denver resident. In her book, Miss America By Day, she tells the story of her own prominent Denver family, including her father, a pillar of the community who erected the famous giant cross that overlooks the city. Turned out he was a pervert who molested Marilyn and her sisters regularly, while her mother turned a blind eye to it. When her mother found out, she blamed Marilyn. Marilyn's story has very effectively disabused me of my notions about who is and isn't a "good fit." I'd just as soon not get into my feelings about drug use and previous abuse at this particular time.
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``Anybody who's ever had a child, and thinks that, has to have rocks in their heads,'' Patsy said. ``I mean, I love my husband. But I adore, passionately, my children. And if he ever laid a hand on them, I'd knock his block off. People just don't use their common sense.''
``The police asked me that question,'' John said. ``I had to think about it, because I'd never even thought about it. The police said, `Just what if Patsy had done this? Would you turn her in? Would you turn on her?' Of course I would. I would have to.''
Well, I would just remind anyone who is reading this that it's actually fairly common for a parent of an abused child to deny, or in some cases, blame the victim. Ask Marilyn Van Derbur if you don't believe me. PLUS, it took being thrown in a jail cell for Hedda Nusbaum to turn her husband in. (And I'm still waiting to talk about that.)
4)
In their book, the Ramseys include ``A Chronicle of Cooperation,'' a detailed list of their efforts to help authorities despite the fact that they were the prime suspects.
``We did everything they ever asked for,'' John said. ``But I don't think we'll ever get over that image.''
To paraphrase Charleton Heston, Mr Ramsey, that's not just a lie, that's an INSULT. Is that why it took four months for an interview? Is that why it took a full year to turn over the clothes? Agh.
5)
The Ramseys say they have investigators working on the case; some are being paid and others have volunteered. But they say they know that the killer will never be caught without the police.
``They hold the key,'' Patsy said. ``All the private investigators we could hire from here to kingdom come could come up with a wealth of information. And whom are we going to give it to?''
I covered the private investigator angle already (which I notice has not been addressed as yet.)
6)
There are things I wish I'd done better. I wish I'd been more security-conscious. I wish we'd had a smaller house.''
Their Atlanta home is much smaller - and much safer. It sits on a lot flanked by a steep rock wall. They have scooped out the inside and started over, creating a space that will help them feel secure.
On the first floor of their Boulder house there were six doors to the outside and more than 30 windows. This one has inoperable windows and two doors - to comply with the building code.
``I only wanted one,'' Patsy said.
The Atlanta house will have state-of-the-art security. It will never be left unarmed, as the alarm was in the Ramsey's Boulder house that night.
``We always assumed that an alarm was to keep people out of our house when we were gone,'' John said. ``We never dreamed it was to keep someone out who was going to come in and murder our daughter.''
It's a one-in-a-million chance, they admit. But your home is your sanctuary. Keep it safe. Take that extra precaution.
Oh, Holdon, my friend. You REALLY don't want me to tackle that one. But I can't pass it up! The VERY SAME YEAR this interview was conducted, the Ramseys were "victims" of a home-invasion, supposedly. John Ramsey claims the thief was able to get in because when he (John) left the house, he left the door unlocked. WHAT?! These people have tried for years to convince us that someone broke into their house and killed their daughter. I'm lucky enough that my home has never been invaded, but I know some people who were not as lucky as me. They all say the same thing: you NEVER leave your home unlocked again! They sure don't act like someone whose daughter was murdered by someone unknown. Number two, the "thief" only took Patsy's jewelry, and not even the real jewelry, just the K-Mart stuff. Number three, John's description of the "thief" is so ridiculous as to not even be worth laughing at. The "thief" came right out of the Susan Smith play book: a well-dressed, soft-spoken, light-skinned black man. He was never found, either.
One more, and I'd have had lucky seven!
