Dina Shacknai wants Max's death reopened; gives ICU pic to media

[jjenny]

Which may have had to do more with Max's death. That is...if Max had lived the police would not have been immediately involved, but since he was taken off life support once donor issues were taken care of - he was then officially dead, subsequently demanding CPS involvement if any suspected wrong doing may have been inferred when he was brought to hospital. Make sense?

He wasn't taken off life support on the 14th.

 

[*Lash*]

When did Jonah say he knew and made that phone call to Rebecca? So Jonah knew days before Dina and allegedly leaves Rebecca a voicemail at 12:30 am on 7/13.

PINSKY: What did you think had happened at that point?

SHACKNAI: It was so shocking to walk in and see those photographs of Max. The first thing that I was told was that he had a heart attack. I didn`t understand how that had happened and that somehow the chandelier had came down. I didn`t understand that had happened.

I thought and as the week progress, I thought the most important thing to do was focus on Max and so I brought his favorite stuffed animals. I even brought my favorite -- his favorite perfume that he knew that I wore, thinking maybe it would stir some memory for him so I never thought Max was not going to walk out of that hospital. I thought that I would maybe need a tutor and he would be able to play on his Blackhawks team and maybe he would sit out a few games.*

So then my focus that week was on being with him, speaking to him, reading to him, singing to him, hoping to, you know, elicit and stir some, to let him know that I was there.

PINSKY: And then you -- when he died, you didn`t have any expectation that was going to happen?

SHACKNAI: I didn`t. I -- it happened on Friday, the first. He suffered from brain death and on Friday morning, approximately 6:30 in the morning, the EEG went flat and I thought something was wrong with the machine.

And it was soon clear that the doctors came in and said, you know, that he was brain dead. So, it was a shock to me and, you know, going through the next 24 hours and sitting with him was just as hard.

And I have to say the thing that Maxi did, even in his death, was he saved three people. He donated his liver and two kidneys. So he saved an 11-month-old and two adults.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1208/07/ddhln.01.html

 

[oceanblueeyes]

"But Dina Shacknai said doctors treating Max were immediately suspicious of his injuries and contacted Child Protective Services, which she said launched a probe and then dropped it once the medical examiner ruled the death an accident. "

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/0...son-likely-homicide-independent-report-finds/

I find this sort of ironic.

At the time so much attention was given to Rebecca's death on the internet yet it seems right from the get go the doctors staff were immediately suspicious of Max's injuries all along.

I can see why Dina sought out the experts trying to find out why her son died.

IMO

 

[katydid23]

Dina is sitting at hospital with her hated ex-husband with her only child near death and she isnt drilling the guy about where in Hades were you? Oh yes, he probably states, as he has, that he was over at the now closed gym working out, which BTW has no record of him coming or going, no witnesses....hmmm Guy's - ignore all the appearences on talk shows, charitable institutions setup, there is a huge cover up and miss direction going on here!

So you are saying that Jonah was actually at the home when Maxie fell?

Why do you suppose that neither RZ or her young relative ever said anything to the EMTS or the cops about that?

 

[freespeech]

I agree. If her goal is to re-open a criminal investigation, she shouldn't share the details publicly at this point in time.

JMO

Thanks. My point exactly. Dina often seems to have an agenda/goal. However, it's annoying to have to guess what that is just because she chose to throw that particular teaser/cheap potshot out there.

 

[freespeech]

So you are saying that Jonah was actually at the home when Maxie fell?

Why do you suppose that neither RZ or her young relative ever said anything to the EMTS or the cops about that?

Katydid, maybe they were scared. Rebecca stated that Dina was going to kill her so she must have already been scared before she even said that.

 

[katydid23]

When did Jonah say he knew and made that phone call to Rebecca? So Jonah knew days before Dina and allegedly leaves Rebecca a voicemail at 12:30 am on 7/13.

PINSKY: What did you think had happened at that point?

SHACKNAI: It was so shocking to walk in and see those photographs of Max. The first thing that I was told was that he had a heart attack. I didn`t understand how that had happened and that somehow the chandelier had came down. I didn`t understand that had happened.

I thought and as the week progress, I thought the most important thing to do was focus on Max and so I brought his favorite stuffed animals. I even brought my favorite -- his favorite perfume that he knew that I wore, thinking maybe it would stir some memory for him so I never thought Max was not going to walk out of that hospital. I thought that I would maybe need a tutor and he would be able to play on his Blackhawks team and maybe he would sit out a few games.*

So then my focus that week was on being with him, speaking to him, reading to him, singing to him, hoping to, you know, elicit and stir some, to let him know that I was there.

PINSKY: And then you -- when he died, you didn`t have any expectation that was going to happen?

SHACKNAI: I didn`t. I -- it happened on Friday, the first. He suffered from brain death and on Friday morning, approximately 6:30 in the morning, the EEG went flat and I thought something was wrong with the machine.

And it was soon clear that the doctors came in and said, you know, that he was brain dead. So, it was a shock to me and, you know, going through the next 24 hours and sitting with him was just as hard.

And I have to say the thing that Maxi did, even in his death, was he saved three people. He donated his liver and two kidneys. So he saved an 11-month-old and two adults.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1208/07/ddhln.01.html

It is kind of funny, because a lot of people here have been saying for days now how unstable and out of touch and downright nuts Dina is. There are a lot of posts implying that she is off both mentally and emotionally.

And yet, there is then this surprise that she was not able to deal with or accept or even acknowledge the impending death of her only child/

As I posted above, my good friend lost her 7 yr old child very tragically. And she was not able to process or accept the inevitable either. She would sit in the ICU and see and hear the doctors speaking about her imminent death, but then she would go home and lay out her clothes for school.

 

[Just Checking]

So you are saying that Jonah was actually at the home when Maxie fell?

Why do you suppose that neither RZ or her young relative ever said anything to the EMTS or the cops about that?

If Jonah was home and involved I doubt either RZ or and young teenage girl would say a word if told not to by the money man. Again, everyone wants to just go by the facts as told them - hey San Diego police believed everything they were told as well and closed the case - too funny! Nothing is as it seems. That is why my name alias is "just checking" because boards like this simply churn the same stuff over and over. But that is ok and healthy and fun for the detective sleuths out there or for those feeling a need to be heard (by someone). I'm simply looking for info I dont already have.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

So you are saying that Jonah was actually at the home when Maxie fell?

Why do you suppose that neither RZ or her young relative ever said anything to the EMTS or the cops about that?

There is no evidence that Jonah was there when Maxie 'fell.'

And why would he harm his own child? Not one person has ever said that Jonah didnt love Max or was abusive to his children. In fact everyone said he loved his little son very much and was a loving father.

This is a man that even took time off from a very important job in order to spend time with his children.

It is obvious to me that Max was very special to Dina and Jonah.

IMO

 

[jjenny]

According to autopsy report, he was pronounced brain dead on 7.15.11 at 23:58. Brain death was confirmed on 7.16.11 at 11:30.

 

[jjenny]

There is no evidence that Jonah was there when Maxie 'fell.'

And why would he harm his own child? Not one person has ever said that Jonah didnt love Max or was abusive to his children. In fact everyone said he loved his little son very much and was a loving father.

This is a man that even took time off from a very important job in order to spend time with his children.

It is obvious to me that Max was very special to Dina and Jonah.

IMO

There is no motive whatsoever for Rebecca to do it either.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

If Jonah was home and involved I doubt either RZ or and young teenage girl would say a word if told not to by the money man. Again, everyone wants to just go by the facts as told them - hey San Diego police believed everything they were told as well and closed the case - too funny! Nothing is as it seems. That is why my name alias is "just checking" because boards like this simply churn the same stuff over and over. But that is ok and healthy and fun for the detective sleuths out there or for those feeling a need to be heard (by someone). I'm simply looking for info I dont already have.

We have no evidence that the younger sister lied to LE.

And the money pit has been long gone so what is stopping her from going to LE now? Nothing, and I am sure if she really knew anything AnnB would have already had her talk to LE and Ann would have already leaked it to the press.

IMO

 

[Just Checking]

There is no evidence that Jonah was there when Maxie 'fell.'

And why would he harm his own child? Not one person has ever said that Jonah didnt love Max or was abusive to his children. In fact everyone said he loved his little son very much and was a loving father.

This is a man that even took time off from a very important job in order to spend time with his children.

It is obvious to me that Max was very special to Dina and Jonah.

IMO

There is no evidence...ha. The entire reason this board has life is because nothing smells right about this horrible situation. So, if you want to believe or percieve everything so it fits the way you want - so be it. We have little factual content - just hearsay. Police investigation a mess, Jonah hires a PR firm the same week as deaths to perform the appropriate spin on information, etc., etc. Two sister's running around Jonah's house the night of the murder, Jonah not running to the house demanding to see the woman he apparently loved laying on the ground all day nude for every camera to take a picture, a brother wanking in the guest house all night when his nephew is on his death bed, a man who claims to have sold the mansion but has a significant interest in the firm that buys the house! Smoke and mirrors!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

There is no motive whatsoever for Rebecca to do it either.

Well if Max's death is a homicide and the expert reports are certainly convincing to me.... then that leaves only two females in the home with Max at the time he 'fell.'

Because no one can put Jonah or Dina in that home when Max fell.

imo

 

[freespeech]

True. I wasn't complaining about it. I think it is great they do that. Just saying that they were very detailed in their investigation of his injuries and we were lucky he was okay.

But my point was that they had some doubts in Maxies case. Something did not seem to line up apparently. It was quite a brutal set of injuries, and not something that often happens in a simple fall on the stairs.

I would think that falling over a second floor banister and smashing into a huge chandelier would cause extensive injuries.

With the use of the word brutal you seem to imply that the injuries were caused by brute strength. That would exonerate Rebecca and her sister in my opinion since they were very tiny women with no histories of mental illness or violence.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

There is no evidence...ha. The entire reason this board has life is because nothing smells right about this horrible situation. So, if you want to believe or percieve everything so it fits the way you want - so be it. We have little factual content - just hearsay. Police investigation a mess, Jonah hires a PR firm the same week as deaths to perform the appropriate spin on information, etc., etc.

That still has nothing to do with the sister being away from the money pit for 9 months now.

And not a word said that someone else was there besides she and her sister which is what they both told LE when Max 'fell.'

Why would she continue to let people believe they were the only ones there if it wasnt true.

 

[Just Checking]

We have no evidence that the younger sister lied to LE.

And the money pit has been long gone so what is stopping her from going to LE now? Nothing, and I am sure if she really knew anything AnnB would have already had her talk to LE and Ann would have already leaked it to the press.

IMO

We have NO INFORMATION whatsoever on the younger sister one way or another - period. Speculation is what keeps this board alive! The money pit is pumping baby! If it needs to. No one is taking anything back to police when you are trying to open a case -<mod snip> Attorney's have to build a case, nothing is going to be shared while that is happening.

 

[freespeech]

Hospital didn't contact police until that Thursday July 14 at 6pm. It's in the warrant that was linked to previously in this thread.

Well that's extremely odd if Dr. Peterson thought Max had been suffocated then why weren't the police called immediately.

 

[Just Checking]

That still has nothing to do with the sister being away from the money pit for 9 months now.

And not a word said that someone else was there besides she and her sister which is what they both told LE when Max 'fell.'

Why would she continue to let people believe they were the only ones there if it wasnt true.

"Why would she continue to let people believe...." Do you really think "she" cares about you or the other people - really? It doesn't matter! She has to protect herself and listen to her attorney.

 

[*Lash*]

Sister Nina Romano's Nov/2011 Phone Interview -

CROSSTALK: So how did this whole suffocation thing come up with the doctor and when did he tell you? Kind of run me through the timeline of that.

NINA: So it was a, Max had a consult on Wednesday and this was really, this was after Rebecca had passed, that he had this cardiac consult and that he had a MRI to find out the extent of the damage Wednesday morning was when we found out, Wednesday morning afternoon was when we found out the actual extent of the damage. And it was shocking. Just to back up a little bit, when my sister told me a little bit about what happened to with what happened to Rebecca, the first thing that was said was, why she hung herself with what? We don't even know what's going on with Max, what do what are you talking about what? It was very bizarre, it was very very bizarre. And we found out Wednesday the extent of his damage, which was that his brain was gone. So, then Thursday Dr. Peterson had a meeting with Dina and Jonah and said that the extent of the damage in Max's brain there was no way that he could have had CPR within 2 minutes, it was impossible to have had CPR within 2 minutes without any oxygen it was impossible so my sister said what could cause this?What could cause a 6 year old to go into full cardiac arrest, a healthy 6 year old to go into full cardiac arrest. And he said its possible suffocation. And that's how it came up.

CROSSTALK: And what was the reaction in the room at that time? Or shortly thereafter?

NINA: *Right (inaudible) shock, utter shock at that point.


http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/nina_romano.mp3