Dina Shacknai wants Max's death reopened; gives ICU pic to media

[MyBelle]

Below from Nina's interview posted by Lash:

...Max's brain there was no way that he could have had CPR within 2 minutes, it was impossible to have had CPR within 2 minutes without any oxygen it was impossible...

Wait a minute. Please don't tell me that this is why Rebecca was blamed.

How could the CPR that Rebecca did been miraculously more effective that the emergency intervention of the paramedics.

It took them 30 minutes to get his heart started and that was only after also using drugs.

How in Sam's Hill did anyone expect Rebecca to revive him and get his heart and lungs going in 2 minutes? Unbelievable. This cannot be the reason a woman was murdered. What a nightmare.

The reason it took them 30 minutes was because of a lengthy period of time without ANY CPR that had elapsed. According to the AR, an officer was told RZ performed CPR but she wasn't performing it when he arrived. Either she lied or her CPR was improperly performed. Kinda shocking considering she was a medical assistant in a surgeon's office. She stood by and was doing nothing when LE arrived. I find her lack of action deplorable.

JMO

 

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I find this sort of ironic.

At the time so much attention was given to Rebecca's death on the internet yet it seems right from the get go the doctors staff were immediately suspicious of Max's injuries all along.

I can see why Dina sought out the experts trying to find out why her son died.

IMO

Ocean, you do realize that they were only suspicious until Max's autopsy. Then they realized his injury was not what had been proposed by the doctor.

 

[freespeech]

Her parents main goal should be getting the truth out if it is different from what she told LE back when Max fell. She doesnt even live in the same state. So protect her from what?

There is no evidence that Rebecca was murdered and I for one have said nothing bad about her sister. I have continously said Rebecca's sister told the truth about who was there.

Dina is also a victim and Jonah too.

So what is the difference? This thread is about Max's death and the expert saying his death should have been listed as a homicide instead of an accident.

OK but you do realize that the Zahaus believe along with the majority that Rebecca was murdered? So if they are pursuing opening an investigation because of that, then why would they want another daughter exposed to the same danger or jeopardize the investigation with ill timed comments.

 

[MyBelle]

Rebecca was afraid Dina would kill her because she covered for Jonah. Don't you remember these words "She saved him. Can he save her"?

The younger relative is scared. Why do you not realize that people could come after her or she could jeopardize the case with ill timed comments?

Who knows what goes on behind closed doors? Who ever thought Josh Powell would do what he did? Why is this hard to believe when two people out of that home are dead now. There is a lot of dysfunction, anger and rage here coupled with emotional instability. Not a safe environment for anyone ESPECIALLY a minor. JMO.

Telling the truth to LE is expected no matter the age of the "witness." When witnesses don't tell the truth or misrepresent the facts to LE, they can quickly become "suspects" and can be prosecuted as adults. I'd fear far more the prospect of being convicted of a crime I didn't commit than I would be of telling the truth to cops.

I see no similarities whatsoever between this case and that of Josh Powell, who murdered his wife and children.

JMO

 

[freespeech]

The reason it took them 30 minutes was because of a lengthy period of time without ANY CPR that had elapsed. According to the AR, an officer was told RZ performed CPR but she wasn't performing it when he arrived. Either she lied or her CPR was improperly performed. Kinda shocking considering she was a medical assistant in a surgeon's office. She stood by and was doing nothing when LE arrived. I find her lack of action deplorable.

JMO

Please. How can you say Rebecca didn't do it correctly in 2 minutes so it's all her fault? The paramedics worked on him for 30 minutes and gave him drugs to start his heart.

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[Just Checking]

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Imo, it is about her sister. If there was someone else there that morning and in light of her sister's death.... I would think she would come forth with any information that would place someone else in the home at the time of Max's fall instead of leaving it as she and Rebecca were the only ones there with Max. There would be no reason whatsoever for her not coming forward now if she really knew anything.

So imo, she has already told the truth and no one was there when it happened but her and her sister.

IMO

Sorry, not personal. We don't know what the sister said or didn't say then or is saying now. So, who knows? We really have not facts about G<modsnip> and her brother either - facts=no, speculation=yes

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

BBM

Naked Suicides

Impulsivity may be a factor in naked suicides. Most individuals spend at least some part of each day naked. An impulse to commit suicide may strike while the individual is naked. In their study of suicides, Simon et al.9 found that 25 percent of individuals studied made attempts within 5 minutes of having suicidal ideation.

http://www.jaapl.org/content/36/2/240.full

It is a FACT that there were no marks on the balcony railing in the dust.... that a grown woman, who is tied up would make when throwing themselves off that balcony. You can go into any theories you want... but you can't explain how she went off the balcony without making a mark in the dust with her body... with her legs and hands tied behind her back.... in the dark... those are the FACTs and they can't be disputed. This was not a suicide unless someone assisted her in killing herself...and then turned out the lights on their way out.... and that is called murder in any state in the USA.

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

Well if it doesn't mean anything as far as Max's death it surely is relevant to Rebecca's death, even the suicide reporting SDSD claimed it was violent. So, let's see who do we know that was violent related to all this.

Maybe we should create a thread for scientifically evaluating the report from DS experts. I don't know where to find it in all this. Would you be so kind as to maybe create one.

I really enjoy going through the facts and evidence presented without involving too much emotion.

Time your insight and knowledge is very valueable. I really appreciate your educated and well considered posts.

 

[jjenny]

Could MS have been hanging by his hands from the chandelier when the chain broke, pinning him to the floor with his head stuck upright in the chandelier? Could that help to explain the vertical injuries to his face and marks/injuries to his back? TIA

Anything is possible. I don't believe for a second these experts ruled out all possible accidental scenarios. Injuries to his face, IMO, don't prove assault since he fell down the stair well. I would expect him to have injuries to his face from accidental fall.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Who's bashing a victim now.

I don't think the Zahau family would appreciate that slanderous smear to Rebecca's character. There's nothing out there that shows she has a history of violence.

In fact I'm impressed with how many friends and co-workers have nothing but positive to say about her. Her family also speaks highly of her. I haven't hear the same high praise about Dina though. Could there be a little jealousy going on here?

We have no clue what they have on Rebecca in the SDSO file. Whatever it is, it is something that the SDSP thought the Zahaus would rather not make public. We don't really know if there is any violence in her history in Germany, do we? And what about all that time she was married to Neil when they were skipping out on landlords? Did she even work then? There is nothing out there on her for that period. Zilch. Unless she was using a name other than Zahau or Nalepa.


And respectfully, I have not heard ANY friends of Rebecca's come out in the media. Did she have any close women friends? I've only heard the one doctor's good opinion of her, but another said she was fired. And I've only heard Mary and Snowden say good things about her. And I've read almost everything. BTW, I don't count comments on news articles...

 

[jjenny]

Well you must not be following the case closely since number of her friends gave interviews. Some were on Dr. Drew.

 

[dovebar]

We have no clue what they have on Dina and Jonah in the SDSO file. Whatever it is, it is something that is making them put on an expensive fullcourt PR press in the media to try to sully the name of the victim here.

We don't really know the entire history of their violence, either in California, or New York, or Arizona, do we? They seemed to move around a lot and take advantage of tax loopholes. And what about all that time that they were dating and married to other people when there are various charges by others about them? Has Dina EVER worked or is this nonprofit her first job ever? Who is paying her bills now? Has she ever used another name?

And respectfully, I have not heard ANY friends of Dina's or Jonah's friends come out in the media. Do they have any, besides elected county officials needing financial donations for reelection campaigns and paid consultants? I've only hear that there was violence between them and sexual problems.

And I've read almost everything.

JMO

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Thank you! I am not buying any of that until I hear some solid corroboration of her story. If I couple that with the fact that someone claimed to have spotted her at the mansion, the fact there is no videotape showing where she was during the time period Rebecca died, the fact that her sister was at the mansion and placed a phone call to Rebecca shortly before she was murdered, the fact she was away from the hospital for 12 hours (I believe on Tues), and the fact that her and Jonah even conflicted on her whereabouts for that 6-8 pm time period on Tues then there are some serious questions about all this.

Dina and Jonah were taking shifts. I'm sure they both wanted time alone with Max. Nina said that Dina had a bad case of bronchitis, which is why she was sleeping so late on that Monday. I don't fault Dina one bit for taking a break and getting some sleep on Tuesday. At that point, she had been there what? 24 hours? I'm sure if she was sick Jonah and the nurses urged her to go lay down a while since Jonah would be there.

And I saw Nina's interview. She seems like a really wonderful person. Somebody that really loved her nephew. Who wouldn't? He was adorable. She is a victim in this as well. There is no way I see Dina or Nina Shacknai murdering a fly, much less Rebecca. And some of the things I have seen written about these two sisters going thought what must have been a nightmare, are preposterous and just plain evil.

These people are not monsters we are taking about. They were worried about sweet little Max. Did any of you see the photos of him in the ER? The poor child was BATTERED. His liCan you even imagine being Dina and Jonah and having to see your son that way? These people were in shock. Nina and Adam flew in, and I'm sure Jonah's father was making plans to fly in as well.
No one in this family was thinking of ANYTHING other than Max.

JMO

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Thanks. My point exactly. Dina often seems to have an agenda/goal. However, it's annoying to have to guess what that is just because she chose to throw that particular teaser/cheap potshot out there.

And what on earth would you call what Mary Zahau and Anne Bremner have been doing????!!!!!

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

There is no motive whatsoever for Rebecca to do it either.

It would have gotten Dina out of Jonah's life. And we know Rebecca did not like Dina.

 

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Maybe we should create a thread for scientifically evaluating the report from DS experts. I don't know where to find it in all this. Would you be so kind as to maybe create one.

I really enjoy going through the facts and evidence presented without involving too much emotion.

Time your insight and knowledge is very valueable. I really appreciate your educated and well considered posts.

Maybe I can help work on that tomorrow.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Well you must not be following the case closely since number of her friends gave interviews. Some were on Dr. Drew.

Sorry, jenny, I watched the Dr. Drews and only her Sisters spoke about her. Can you give me that info from the transcripts?

 

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We have no clue what they have on Rebecca in the SDSO file. Whatever it is, it is something that the SDSP thought the Zahaus would rather not make public. We don't really know if there is any violence in her history in Germany, do we? And what about all that time she was married to Neil when they were skipping out on landlords? Did she even work then? There is nothing out there on her for that period. Zilch. Unless she was using a name other than Zahau or Nalepa.

BBM - that's SDSD hoo ha. It's not what the Zahau's thought IMHO. It was an excuse not to release info.

 

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Dina and Jonah were taking shifts. I'm sure they both wanted time alone with Max. Nina said that Dina had a bad case of bronchitis, which is why she was sleeping so late on that Monday. I don't fault Dina one bit for taking a break and getting some sleep on Tuesday. At that point, she had been there what? 24 hours? I'm sure if she was sick Jonah and the nurses urged her to go lay down a while since Jonah would be there.

And I saw Nina's interview. She seems like a really wonderful person. Somebody that really loved her nephew. Who wouldn't? He was adorable. She is a victim in this as well. There is no way I see Dina or Nina Shacknai murdering a fly, much less Rebecca. And some of the things I have seen written about these two sisters going thought what must have been a nightmare, are preposterous and just plain evil.

These people are not monsters we are taking about. They were worried about sweet little Max. Did any of you see the photos of him in the ER? The poor child was BATTERED. His liCan you even imagine being Dina and Jonah and having to see your son that way? These people were in shock. Nina and Adam flew in, and I'm sure Jonah's father was making plans to fly in as well.
No one in this family was thinking of ANYTHING other than Max.

JMO

Have you bothered to read the new and improved version of events. That's certainly what I would like to talk about m ore. I listed several things that concern me about Nina and Dina's behavior, but most of what you are saying is opinion yet you are presenting it as fact.

I'd think Dina supporters would be chomping at the bit to go through the new report.

 

[dovebar]

Nina said that Dina had a bad case of bronchitis, which is why she was sleeping so late on that Monday.

And I saw Nina's interview. She seems like a really wonderful person. Somebody that really loved her nephew. Who wouldn't? He was adorable.
JMO

Questions:
- does Dina have a history of bronchitis? did she see a doctor for this case?

- how much do the sisters drink? has either one, or Jonah, gone to rehab?

- we know that Dina and Jonah have histories of violence; does Nina?

- Max was said by some to be "adorable" but others have said that Dina took him to go many kinds of "adult" places. Usually, children cannot behave that well in public for long periods of time. How did she discipline him?

- has the household staff been interviewed? why have we not heard anything from former babysitters of Max? do the Shacknais require their paid help to sign non-disclosure agreements? have the police interviewed any of them?

- who bought Max the scooter? what precautions did his parents take about where he rode it? was it usually in the house or was he required to keep it outside?

- who were the couple in the guesthouse? did the Shacknais do a background check on them? what access did they have to Max?