Dina Shacknai wants Max's death reopened; gives ICU pic to media

[MyBelle]

Link, please. You've been repeating this misinformation for a year now and still have not been able to substantiate it.

There have been plenty of links to the AR, the reports by the experts recently released as well as transcripts of the interviews with Dina.

No medical expert has concluded that MS' spinal injury caused immediate brain death or that CPR would be useless.

I can't substantiate something that is pure fiction.

I suggest you provide links to prove the claim is true.

JMO

 

[freespeech]

I'm listening to the real medical experts. You clearly are not one of them.

Nowhere in the AR does it remotely support your claim that the spinal cord injury caused immediate brain death or that CPR would have been useless.

JMO

The spinal cord injury did not cause immediate brain death. It caused cardio pulmonary cessation. The carido pulmonary cessation over time caused the brain swelling/brain stem herniation that eventually led to brain death.

Also, this is why Rebecca couldn't get Max's heart started again after 2 minutes of CPR because of the spinal injury.

That is why it took the paramedic over 30 minutes to get his heart started again and that was only after using drugs to start the heart.

CPR is not as effective as people think. It's a chance, that's all. They even teach you in certification classes that the most important factor is getting the heart going. That's is why AED training is also provided now. The mouth to mouth breathing is questionably effective at best.

Rebecca did not cause Max's injuries or death.

 

[katydid23]

Well actually I'm here because I don't like the idea of vigilante justice and police corruption. I also don't feel like shutting up about it.

There are so many threads here all with victims so why choose this case? I don't really know. Maybe I'll figure it out someday or maybe the reason will just be there in my mind and I will know.

In the meantime I can't forget and be silent until there is a proper investigation with logical findings for both deaths.

Also, I see a trend developing with Dina's "tidbit" about Rebecca not being left alone with Max and another family member. I combined it with what other posters here stated or insinuated about Rebecca having a child.

I wonder has it occurred to anyone what the meme is that Dina may be developing?

Some of the seeds are as follows:

*Dina did not want Rebecca to be alone with Max when she was with another family member.

*Dina can't tell why this is because Rebecca may have embarrassing secrets.

*Gore threatened to expose the entire file.

*Why doesn't Rebecca's younger sister speak up?

*Rebecca had a child.

I think Dina thinks she going to strike a coup by stating she did not want Rebecca to be alone with Max because Rebecca's little sister is really her daughter. I think she'll accuse Rebecca's sister/daughter of attacking and harming Max. She'll then say Rebecca covered the whole thing up and killed herself.

This version of the "TRUTH" is no more believable than the other alleged versions. This version is worse though because it involves damaging an innocent minor to cover a murder someone wants everyone to believe was a suicide.

Only time will tell why these seeds are being planted at this late date. JMO.

Unless of course the info is true.

 

[Betty P]

There have been plenty of links to the AR, the reports by the experts recently released as well as transcripts of the interviews with Dina.

No medical expert has concluded that MS' spinal injury caused immediate brain death or that CPR would be useless.

I can't substantiate something that is pure fiction.

I suggest you provide links to prove the claim is true.

JMO

The problematic word you're using here is "immediate". No one is claiming any such thing, but of course we've been down this road many times before.

IMO, it would be great for the CA attorney general's office to reinvestigate the causes of the child's death and make those results public. For those who don't have an axe to grind, it would provide a definitive answer.

In the meantime its

http://jasonjeffrey.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/awjeeznotthisshitagain.jpg

 

[jjenny]

I, like many others, believe SDSO got it right. Rebecca Zahau killed herself. And many think she felt guilty in connection to something that happened with Max. Or was a least worried about getting in trouble for it.

I'm just tired of seeing all the victim bashing. Jonah and Dina lost a precious child. Adam and Nina lost a precious nephew.

And I'm tired of seeing the same rumors for the last year.

I like science, DNA, fingerprints, and FACTS. I can tell you don't. So we'll just have to agree to disagree, eh?

Well, according to SDSO Max's death was a tragic accident. They used science to support that conclusion. According to police, Max fell into the stairwell, suffered spinal cord damage, which led to cardiac arrest, which led to lack of oxygen to the brain, which led to brain death, which led to removal of life support. So, according to police, nobody hurt Max.
So why don't you consider that a FACT?

 

[MyBelle]

The spinal cord injury did not cause immediate brain death. It caused cardio pulmonary cessation. The carido pulmonary cessation over time caused the brain swelling/brain stem herniation that eventually lead to brain death.

Also, this is why Rebecca couldn't get Max's heart started again after 2 minutes of CPR because of the spinal injury.

That is why it took the paramedic over 30 minutes to get his heart started again and that was only after using drugs to start the heart.

CPR is not as effective as people think. It's a chance, that's all. They even teach you in certification classes that the most important factor is getting the heart going. That's is why AED training is also provided now. The mouth to mouth breathing is questionably effective at best.

Rebecca did not cause Max's injuries or death. JMO

I disagree with your opinion. CPR is very effective and is better than nothing at all, which was what RZ was observed doing by the first responder. CPR, properly performed, is a replacement for a non-beating heart. CPR keeps the oxygenated blood circulating between heart, lung and brain. My own father was kept alive for more than 15-minutes by nurses doing CPR until his heart started beating again after being shocked repeatedly. He didn't suffer brain damage and lived another 17 years.

RZ, by doing nothing at all, did hasten the child's brain death.

JMO

 

[katydid23]

Well, according to SDSO Max's death was a tragic accident. They used science to support that conclusion. According to police, Max fell into the stairwell, suffered spinal cord damage, which led to cardiac arrest, which led to lack of oxygen to the brain, which led to brain death, which led to removal of life support. So, according to police, nobody hurt Max.
So why don't you consider that a FACT?

And according to SDSO, RZ hung herself. Are you accepting that conclusion as well?

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Well if Max's death is a homicide and the expert reports are certainly convincing to me.... then that leaves only two females in the home with Max at the time he 'fell.'

Because no one can put Jonah or Dina in that home when Max fell.

imo

Sorry, still catching up on a fast-moving thread and having checked in on this case only sporadically,,,

Not directed at you, just jumping off:

Has any official source provided unequivocal evidence to prove where Jonah and/or Dina was at the time?

This is not in ANY WAY to imply I suspect them, I am just curious and as I said, trying to catch up.

 

[Betty P]

I disagree with your opinion. CPR is very effective and is better than nothing at all, which was what RZ was observed doing by the first responder. CPR, properly performed, is a replacement for a non-beating heart. CPR keeps the oxygenated blood circulating between heart, lung and brain. My own father was kept alive for more than 15-minutes by nurses doing CPR until his heart started beating again after being shocked repeatedly. He didn't suffer brain damage and lived another 17 years.

RZ, by doing nothing at all, did hasten the child's brain death.

JMO

BBM

Do you have a link from a valid source to back up your assertion that RZ did "nothing at all"?

 

[MyBelle]

The problematic word you're using here is "immediate". No one is claiming any such thing, but of course we've been down this road many times before.

IMO, it would be great for the CA attorney general's office to reinvestigate the causes of the child's death and make those results public. For those who don't have an axe to grind, it would provide a definitive answer.

In the meantime its

http://jasonjeffrey.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/awjeeznotthisshitagain.jpg

Here's the post I responded to. Please note the word "immediately" :
Today, 09:50 PM
mittymick
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JMO

Had Maxie gone down in front of the EMT's and EMT's responded immediately, the outcome would have been the same BECAUSE of the location of injury to Max's spinal cord. That's it. Plain and Simple.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

That still has nothing to do with the sister being away from the money pit for 9 months now.

And not a word said that someone else was there besides she and her sister which is what they both told LE when Max 'fell.'

Why would she continue to let people believe they were the only ones there if it wasnt true.

BBM for focus

Hypothetically: fear? threats? intimidation?

 

[MyBelle]

BBM

Do you have a link from a valid source to back up your assertion that RZ did "nothing at all"?

The AR quotes the first responder who said RZ was not performing CPR when he arrived.

JMO

 

[Betty P]

And according to SDSO, RZ hung herself. Are you accepting that conclusion as well?

I can't speak for others on this forum, but I think the best idea would be for the state AG to conduct a new investigation with unbiased, professional experts (not SDSO or local LE).

Don't you agree?

 

[Betty P]

The AR quotes the first responder who said RZ was not performing CPR when he arrived.

JMO

Link please, with quote. Thanks.:seeya:

 

[IzzyBlanche]

So, then Thursday Dr. Peterson had a meeting with Dina and Jonah and said that the extent of the damage in Max's brain there was no way that he could have had CPR within 2 minutes, it was impossible to have had CPR within 2 minutes without any oxygen

Snipped for focus

As I said, I am not a clinician but I do work in the medical field, and IMHO there is no way on earth this conversation took place as described.

Not without police officers, social workers, and the hospital's legal counsel present as well.

 

[katydid23]

BBM for focus

Hypothetically: fear? threats? intimidation?

But the first responders were there within 2 minutes of the fall, supposedly.

So are we saying that Jonah was there, pushed his son, then he threatened RZ and her young relative, told them to lie, and he ran out and escaped notice, all before the EMT's arrived?

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Well, according to SDSO Max's death was a tragic accident. They used science to support that conclusion. According to police, Max fell into the stairwell, suffered spinal cord damage, which led to cardiac arrest, which led to lack of oxygen to the brain, which led to brain death, which led to removal of life support. So, according to police, nobody hurt Max.
So why don't you consider that a FACT?

Max's accident was investigated by Coronado Police, not SDSO.

 

[katydid23]

Max's accident was investigated by Coronado Police, not SDSO.

And I have to ask myself, how many fatal accident scenes do the Coronado police deal with?

 

[freespeech]

The search was at a time that only Rebecca would have had access to it.

What time and date was the search done? Link please.

 

[MyBelle]

Snipped for focus

As I said, I am not a clinician but I do work in the medical field, and IMHO there is no way on earth this conversation took place as described.

Not without police officers, social workers, and the hospital's legal counsel present as well.

A doctor can say anything he wants to parents without the need for a police officer or lawyer being present. He wasn't responsible for the child's severe injuries. GMAB.