Dina Shacknai wants Max's death reopened; gives ICU pic to media

[Betty P]

Here's the post I responded to. Please note the word "immediately" :
Today, 09:50 PM
mittymick
Registered User Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 18

JMO

Had Maxie gone down in front of the EMT's and EMT's responded immediately, the outcome would have been the same BECAUSE of the location of injury to Max's spinal cord. That's it. Plain and Simple.

No, you're mistaken again. Let me see if I can help you out.

Here is what you argued about using the word "immediately"

Nowhere in the AR does it remotely support your claim that the spinal cord injury caused immediate brain death or that CPR would have been useless.

The injury to the child's spinal cord did not result in immediate brain death. The problem with difficulty in successful CPR efforts were because the injury caused trauma that made it difficult for the child to breathe. Not the same as brain death.

Perhaps you need to read other's posts a little more thoroughly before you respond. :seeya:

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Just so it is clear:

Max's accident was investigated by the Coronado Police Department.

Rebecca's accident was investigated by the San Diego Sheriff's Department.

 

[MyBelle]

But the first responders were there within 2 minutes of the fall, supposedly.

So are we saying that Jonah was there, pushed his son, then he threatened RZ and her young relative, told them to lie, and he ran out and escaped notice, all before the EMT's arrived?

I think the public record only supports that first responders were there within 2 minutes of the call to 911.

I also think MS' brain death is proof that CPR wasn't done immediately nor was a call made to 911 immediately.

JMO

 

[dovebar]

Link please, with quote. Thanks.:seeya:

Of course the link won't be provided because it doesn't prove the claim. If the first responder did not observe it, that doesn't mean it didn't happen and the poster knows it.

<modsnip> I think that DS will find she and her financial supporters have vastly misunderestimated the mood of victims' rights groups in California. CA is not Arizona, where fervor against the dark-skinned runs wild. There is a large, strong, patriotic Asian community, both in LA and San Diego, and baseless claims that a young woman "did nothing at all" are going to come back to haunt DS and all those who make such unsupported claims.

The FACT is, RZ and her sister reported providing CPR. If she had paused, or quit, or simply not been observed by a distracted first responder, or if he/she reported it incorrectly, there is no way for a poster here to make a truthful claim otherwise.

Since that is obvious, one has to wonder at the motivation of a multi-days-long effort by multiple new posters to smear Rebecca Zahau.

 

[MyBelle]

No, you're mistaken again. Let me see if I can help you out.

Here is what you argued about using the word "immediately"



The injury to the child's spinal cord did not result in immediate brain death. The problem with difficulty in successful CPR efforts were because the injury caused trauma that made it difficult for the child to breathe. Not the same as brain death.

Perhaps you need to read other's posts a little more thoroughly before you respond. :seeya:

I reposted the original posting I responded to that used the term, "immediately."

I am allowed to express an opinion. Your insistence my opinion is somehow wrong is unnecessary.

JMO

 

[freespeech]

Unless of course the info is true.

All I know is that it is not to hard to discern that the stories/versions of the truth will continue to be churned out to cover up the guilty parties in this.

When one lie/version fails then another will morph out of the failure.

Rebecca did not kill herself. Her sister/daughter did not kill Max. This is just a newer and uglier meme promoted to protect the guilty. JMO.

 

[Betty P]

Of course the link won't be provided because it doesn't prove the claim. If the first responder did not observe it, that doesn't mean it didn't happen and the poster knows it.

<modsnip>I think that DS will find she and her financial supporters have vastly misunderestimated the mood of victims' rights groups in California. CA is not Arizona, where fervor against the dark-skinned runs wild. There is a large, strong, patriotic Asian community, both in LA and San Diego, and baseless claims that a young woman "did nothing at all" are going to come back to haunt DS and all those who make such unsupported claims.

The FACT is, RZ and her sister reported providing CPR. If she had paused, or quit, or simply not been observed by a distracted first responder, or if he/she reported it incorrectly, there is no way for a poster here to make a truthful claim otherwise.

Since that is obvious, one has to wonder at the motivation of a multi-days-long effort by multiple new posters to smear Rebecca Zahau.

I'm starting to reach the same conclusion: There's a lot of "dog-whistle" racism going on here.

 

[Kimster]

If you guys don't stop with the personalizing in here, I'm closing this thread for the night.

 

[MyBelle]

No they have not been provided. If you're going to make allegations and attempt to represent them as fact, you need to provide facts to back them up.

Otherwise, you're giving the impression that you're simply expressing your own opinion. I'm sure you want to have some kind of credibility here, right? :seeya:

Well, go figure. I note that my comments are JMO (just my opinion.)

I think my credibility is just fine here.

Also, JMO.

 

[jjenny]

Max's accident was investigated by Coronado Police, not SDSO.

Whoever was investigating it, SDCO sheriff presented both conclusions at the very same press conference. Max's death an accident, Rebecca's death a suicide.

 

[jjenny]

Aren't Dina and Nina catholic?

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Well I guess its Rebecca's history of lying and stealing that worried Dina. Not her being Asian. Are you sure she was? Who knew.

 

[revampz]

Thanks for reminding me that Max's doctor DID call in CPS prior to RZ's suicide. I had forgotten about that HUGE detail.

JMO

sorry I am up to post no 148 and was not aware of this.....no wonder this woman thinks that RZ did something to Max.....personally I think there is more than the general public know about. Both deaths should be thoroughly re examined.

 

[dovebar]

Well I guess its Rebecca's history of lying and stealing that worried Dina. Not her being Asian. Are you sure she was? Who knew.

Why does Dina use "Dr." when she went to a for-profit school? Was her program accredited?

Why couldn't Dina get into a reputable university or college? Does she have a history of improper behavior in prior education? Has she ever been kicked out of a college or university, and is that why she couldn't get into a nonprofit college or university?

Why does she mislead the public into thinking she has a doctorate when she has only a diploma from a diploma mill and does not seem to have a professional license?

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Well I guess its Rebecca's history of lying and stealing that worried Dina. Not her being Asian. Are you sure she was? Who knew.

I agree but I also think her investigation turned up more than just lying and stealing. I think her expert physician formed her conclusion on more than what has been publicly released.

JMO

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Of course, I would never think badly about RZ for having a young daughter. Never. But again, that is not the point. The issue is that everyone keeps saying that RZ had no motive to hurt Maxie and her little sis had no motive. But there is that pesky request that comes up where DS asked not to have other family members alone with Maxie. So we have to ask ourselves why is that? And then I remember hearing back at the start that she had offspring that may have been angry that she was marrying and starting a new family. So is it really fair to accuse Jonah of being there, and say that the witnesses are afraid to come forward because they think he will kill them? Is it fair to paint that scenario, when there is an alternate one that may hold some credence? Because we have evidence that he was not there.

Jumping off:

Birth certificates are public records except in cases of closed adoptions.

And I hardly think RZ being in reality her

little sister's mother [unquote] would qualify as a closed adoption.

So any sources claiming RZ is actually her sister's mother has full freedom to go through the proper channels to access the sister's birth certificate.

Have any of those sources done that? Or are they just making stuff up?

 

[Betty P]

I agree but I also think her investigation turned up more than just lying and stealing. I think her expert physician formed her conclusion on more than what has been publicly released.

JMO

Then Dina should be fully supportive of Ann Bremner's efforts to have the state AG conduct a full, open and unbiased investigation. The AG's office is the only authority in CA who is capable of conducting a full investigation.

Has she sent a letter to the AG yet supporting a full, impartial investigation by experts?

 

[dovebar]

I agree but I also think her investigation turned up more than just lying and stealing. I think her expert physician formed her conclusion on more than what has been publicly released.

JMO

If so - and we eagerly await proof - that is a shocking surprise considering that "her expert" was paid by her!

BTW, why haven't any DS supporters answers any of the questions about Dina? Big surprise! What was DS's arrest record? What will we find when independent investigators begin - other than her history of violence that is known?

 

[MyBelle]

Hasn't it also been alleged that Dina may have been home in bed with a hangover when the accident happened and thus took a couple of hours to respond when police were trying to contact her? Perhaps she also feels guilt about not being there for Max immediately after his accident. MOO

Dina could have been home in bed for any reason. It's irrelevant. Her child was in the legal custody of his other parent. She probably does feel guilt for not being there. Her nightmare that she tried to prevent came true.

JMO

 

[IzzyBlanche]

But the first responders were there within 2 minutes of the fall, supposedly.

So are we saying that Jonah was there, pushed his son, then he threatened RZ and her young relative, told them to lie, and he ran out and escaped notice, all before the EMT's arrived?

No. I believe my post that you are quoting here was in response to a post you made asking why the sister wouldn't be speaking out now.

I'm too sleepy to look it up now, but I will tomorrow if other WSers don't beat me to it.