Dina Shacknai wants Max's death reopened; gives ICU pic to media

[jjenny]

I think Dina's focus wasn't what was convenient for her ex's girlfriend but rather than what was in the best interest for MS's well-being. If you read Bove's report, he mentions an interview with RZ's sister who told LE that Max had demonstrated the scooter in the upstairs hallway. When the interviewer noted the scooter would have been on carpet, she said he rode it slowly, which does not fit with Gomez's theory that it was accidentally propelled over the railing. Dr. Bove seemed to have lotsa doubts about her story.

JMO

Dr. Gomez's theory doesn't involve a scooter at all. If you look at the drawing, it has Max running and then going over the portion of the railing where the railing dips. There is no scooter in that scenario.

 

[katydid23]

Dr. Gomez's theory doesn't involve a scooter at all. If you look at the drawing, it has Max running and then going over the portion of the railing where the railing dips. There is no scooter in that scenario.

So how does the scooter end up on his legs at the 'accident' scene?

 

[freespeech]

IF she was covering for someone, would it not be feasible that same person might want to silence her?

That's a scary thought that I admit to have entertained.

Here's another scary thought. Would it not also be feasible that the person who may have wanted to silence Rebecca may have also wanted to silence Rebecca's sister?

Maybe that is why her sister was rushed out of town and has been kept under wraps. If I were the Zahaus I would be extremely protective of her so that no one could get to her.

I would guess that Rebecca's sister is absolutely terrified of the Shacknais at this point. If the Shacknais can scare grown adults into being quiet then how would a little 13 year old girl whose sister was murdered feel about them? IIrc, Rebecca had stated that Dina was going to kill her. MOO.

 

[jjenny]

So how does the scooter end up on his legs at the 'accident' scene?

How does it end up over his leg in the assault scenario?

 

[freespeech]

So how does the scooter end up on his legs at the 'accident' scene?

Maybe it was staged. The question then is who staged it?

 

[freespeech]

"But Dina Shacknai said doctors treating Max were immediately suspicious of his injuries and contacted Child Protective Services, which she said launched a probe and then dropped it once the medical examiner ruled the death an accident. "

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/0...son-likely-homicide-independent-report-finds/

When a child is brought to the hospital in that condition it almost automatic for personnel to suspect or rule out abuse and report to the incident to the authorities. I believe that they are mandated to do so. Obviously don't really know what happened to the child but the police can begin to investigate immediately.

 

[katydid23]

How does it end up over his leg in the assault scenario?

In the assault scenario, the scene was staged for the EMTs/

 

[*Lash*]

"But Dina Shacknai said doctors treating Max were immediately suspicious of his injuries and contacted Child Protective Services, which she said launched a probe and then dropped it once the medical examiner ruled the death an accident. "

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/0...son-likely-homicide-independent-report-finds/

Snip- When reviewing the autopsy report, the medical examiner's findings explained why Peterson thought suffocation was the cause of death. The autopsy said: "A spinal cord injury at this level can cause cardio-respiratory arrest (cessation of heart activity and/or breathing)," which would explain the suffocation theory suggested by Peterson.

http://www.10news.com/news/29268087/detail.html

 

[freespeech]

Possibly. But hypothetically, if that person she was covering for was very young and out of state, it would be highly doubtful.

So are you now insinuating that Rebecca was covering for her sister? Are we now to believe that Rebecca's little sister also had a history of violence? ...or am I reading you the wrong way? Please advise. TIA.

 

[katydid23]

When a child is brought to the hospital in that condition it almost automatic for personnel to suspect or rule out abuse and report to the incident to the authorities. I believe that they are mandated to do so. Obviously don't really know what happened to the child but the police can begin to investigate immediately.

When my son was 3 he was taken to the hospital by ambulance with a broken arm and a bloody nose. Very scary experience. But during the long visit with the ER docs, my DH and I were interviewed separately by the in-house social worker. She was deciding whether to report it to LE or not, I believe. But luckily my son was able to explain what happened and they took his word as it matched our accounts. But if he had been a 2 yr old we would have been a family with a folder in the DCFS unit.

 

[katydid23]

So are you now insinuating that Rebecca was covering for her sister? Are we now to believe that Rebecca's little sister also had a history of violence? ...or am I reading you the wrong way? Please advise. TIA.

First of all, I said hypothetically as I was answering another hypothetical question. And I never singled anyone out and I do not know for sure how many others were actually there during the accident.

There was a reason that DS specifically asked that her son not be alone with RZ when she was there with her family. So that indicates there was a question of a possible history of friction or dysfunction when they were all together. Otherwise, why would she make that request?

 

[jjenny]

Snip- When reviewing the autopsy report, the medical examiner's findings explained why Peterson thought suffocation was the cause of death. The autopsy said: "A spinal cord injury at this level can cause cardio-respiratory arrest (cessation of heart activity and/or breathing)," which would explain the suffocation theory suggested by Peterson.

http://www.10news.com/news/29268087/detail.html

Exactly. I don't believe the damage to his spinal cord was discovered prior to autopsy. Thus, suffocation theory was proposed. Of course now that it is clear there was damage to the spinal cord, an assault theory is proposed.
But I am still not following the assault argument. If they are saying that he sustained injuries to the face due to assault, are they arguing he didn't sustain injuries to his face after being thrown or "escaping" into the stair well?

 

[freespeech]

Well, I dunno. It hardly really matters, but it seems if she interrogated Rebecca the previous September (2010?) and then had Rebecca 'investigated' it might have taken until March of 2011 to get the results back. Given Rebecca's use of an alias and her shoplifting history, Dina is lucky Rebecca didn't off the whole family and take control of the entire estate in those six or seven months while Dina's investigation of Rebecca was taking place. Just my opinion.

Who's bashing a victim now.

I don't think the Zahau family would appreciate that slanderous smear to Rebecca's character. There's nothing out there that shows she has a history of violence.

In fact I'm impressed with how many friends and co-workers have nothing but positive to say about her. Her family also speaks highly of her. I haven't hear the same high praise about Dina though. Could there be a little jealousy going on here?

 

[*Lash*]

New Claims Rebecca Zahau Murdered Jonah Shacknai's Son Are 'Preposterous,' Says Zahau's Sister

Snip- "We believe the homicide conclusions are unsupported. From our own personal observations of Rebecca with Max we saw nothing but a close, loving relationship between the two," Mary Zahau tells RadarOnline.com exclusively.

"Rebecca loved Max as if he was her own son. While our family shares the grief over Max's death, the thought that Rebecca would cause Max harm is preposterous. The California Attorney General is presently reviewing the file at our request. We urge the public and the media to wait for facts and to not be distracted by shiny press releases sent by public relations firms touting paid experts' speculation. We also urge those who caused Rebecca harm to turn themselves in to law enforcement. Only then can both families begin the healing process."

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...ter-claims-murdered-max-shacknai-preposterous

 

[freespeech]

First of all, I said hypothetically as I was answering another hypothetical question. And I never singled anyone out and I do not know for sure how many others were actually there during the accident.

There was a reason that DS specifically asked that her son not be alone with RZ when she was there with her family. So that indicates there was a question of a possible history of friction or dysfunction when they were all together. Otherwise, why would she make that request?

BBM

I don't know.

But if Dina was going to throw that tidbit out there she should have said why otherwise it makes her look disingenuous. Her secrecy only makes her look guilty and makes me ask over and over again what is this woman's agenda here.

 

[katydid23]

Who's bashing a victim now.

I don't think the Zahau family would appreciate that slanderous smear to Rebecca's character. There's nothing out there that shows she has a history of violence.

In fact I'm impressed with how many friends and co-workers have nothing but positive to say about her. Her family also speaks highly of her. I haven't hear the same high praise about Dina though. Could there be a little jealousy going on here?

I think she was being facetious.

 

[katydid23]

BBM

I don't know.

But if Dina was going to throw that tidbit out there she should have said why otherwise it makes her look disingenuous. Her secrecy only makes her look guilty and makes me ask over and over again what is this woman's agenda here.

Maybe she was not being 'secretive.' Maybe she shared with the important people just why she made that request. But there is no reason she has to make it public, imo. Maybe it involves highly sensitive family relationship/secrets and there is no reason to unveil them publicly.

 

[freespeech]

When my son was 3 he was taken to the hospital by ambulance with a broken arm and a bloody nose. Very scary experience. But during the long visit with the ER docs, my DH and I were interviewed separately by the in-house social worker. She was deciding whether to report it to LE or not, I believe. But luckily my son was able to explain what happened and they took his word as it matched our accounts. But if he had been a 2 yr old we would have been a family with a folder in the DCFS unit.

This is common practice. They're supposed to do that. If they don't then they're not doing their jobs the right way. I believe reporting is mandated under child protection laws.

 

[time]

Snip- When reviewing the autopsy report, the medical examiner's findings explained why Peterson thought suffocation was the cause of death. The autopsy said: "A spinal cord injury at this level can cause cardio-respiratory arrest (cessation of heart activity and/or breathing)," which would explain the suffocation theory suggested by Peterson.

http://www.10news.com/news/29268087/detail.html

Thanks Lash! What I'm trying to figure out is when did Dina and/or Jonah know about the doctors original conclusion (proven false by autopsy later) and the contacting of CPS Because Dina say the doctors were immediately suspicious, but said yesterday she knew didn't even know how serious his condition was until much later in the week (and, I guess, hence, was claiming she didn't suspect anyone of harming Max - wish I had the Dr. Drew transcript).

 

[Just Checking]

I believe maybe l.b. nora brought this up a few pages back. An WS insider said long ago that Dina thought Max died from being purposefully suffocated and/or strangled. Now how does that sync with Dina now claiming she did not know Max's condition was any more serious than he might have to have some therapy until Thurs or Friday after he died. I do not think she was just in denial either because supposedly the call to Rebecca from Jonah shortly after midnight on Tuesday was to tell her how serious Max's condition was. Dina was also gone from the hospital for 12 hours on Tuesday, I believe. Would you leave your son's bedside that long if you thought he would wake up at any minute or really didn't know how serious his condition was? Just exactly who and when did the Dr. tell that he thought Max had been suffocated?

Dina needs to be forthcoming with answers to these questions and any other information about all of this needs to be made public.

OK - the concerned mother returned to emerald city (Coronado) to take a nap because she was tired on Tuesday...what!!! A concerned mother like she claims to be leaves hospital to go home! I would have slept on floor to be close to my son! I would have showered in the room, ask friends to bring clothes, etc! Oh, and A. Bremner states someone saw the good mother at Jonah's house the Tuesday night! Oh by the way, Dina wasnt at hospital at that time! Add it up folks!