Dina Shacknai wants Max's death reopened; gives ICU pic to media

[katydid23]

This is common practice. They're supposed to do that. If they don't then they're not doing their jobs the right way. I believe reporting is mandated under child protection laws.

True. I wasn't complaining about it. I think it is great they do that. Just saying that they were very detailed in their investigation of his injuries and we were lucky he was okay.

But my point was that they had some doubts in Maxies case. Something did not seem to line up apparently. It was quite a brutal set of injuries, and not something that often happens in a simple fall on the stairs.

 

[Just Checking]

Hmmm...suspicous presence of Dina at Jonah's house Tuesday night and Dina's sister Nina claiming to have actually been at Jonah's house Tuesday night; oh and the wacky (you know what I mean) brother in the guest house in the back at the time doing the dirty on his cell phone! What a busy place the night of RZ DEATH!

 

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When a child is brought to the hospital in that condition it almost automatic for personnel to suspect or rule out abuse and report to the incident to the authorities. I believe that they are mandated to do so. Obviously don't really know what happened to the child but the police can begin to investigate immediately.

Yes, I understand that, but in this case the doctor, Dr. Peterson, told them early on that the visible injuries were not consistent with cardiac arrest and brain swelling and based on those factors the Dr. thought Max was suffocated prior to his fall. My point is not that the typical took place as all fatal child accidents should be looked into, but the addition of a doctor actually saying he was suffocated before any accident. I'd like to know whether or not Dina knew early on what the doctor said. It could go to motive for Rebecca being murdered whether that was Dina or someone else who knew this.

Also,

 

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Maybe she was not being 'secretive.' Maybe she shared with the important people just why she made that request. But there is no reason she has to make it public, imo. Maybe it involves highly sensitive family relationship/secrets and there is no reason to unveil them publicly.

Then maybe she should have kept the entire matter private. She shouldn't throw out half baked tidbits.

It doesn't strengthen her position or garner sympathy. It just makes it even more annoying to try and understand what she is trying to say.

What's the point to that comment?

If only the "important" people need to know then why mention it at all. What is her agenda in doing that? Looks to me like some tricky game playing and that's not exactly conducive to maintaining the image of a grieving mother.

She should just be honest and stop playing games if she wants sympathy and support.

 

[*Lash*]

Thanks Lash! What I'm trying to figure out is when did Dina and/or Jonah know about the doctors original conclusion (proven false by autopsy later) and the contacting of CPS Because Dina say the doctors were immediately suspicious, but said yesterday she knew didn't even know how serious his condition was until much later in the week (and, I guess, hence, was claiming she didn't suspect anyone of harming Max - wish I had the Dr. Drew transcript).

SHACKNAI: I would also like to add to that. This -- the idea of what happened to Max was such a shock, it wasn`t until Thursday afternoon that I was even informed by a doctor at Rady Children`s Hospital that they suspected something and CPS was called. Really, I feel during the week, it was such a traumatic shock, I was really, you know, not apprised of all the other information going on with I guess the Coronado Police Department`s investigation.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1208/07/ddhln.01.html

 

[MyBelle]

Dr. Gomez's theory doesn't involve a scooter at all. If you look at the drawing, it has Max running and then going over the portion of the railing where the railing dips. There is no scooter in that scenario.

The evidence gathered at the scene involves the scooter.

 

[*Lash*]

Dr. Drew Show - Viewer question about Jonah's whereabouts during fall?

PINSKY: Interesting. Blair in Texas - Blair.

BLAIR, CALLER FROM TEXAS: Hi, Dr. Drew. Thank you so much for taking my call.

PINSKY: Pleasure.

BLAIR: Ms. Shacknai, where was your husband during this time of your son`s fall? And my condolences go to you. I`m so sorry for your loss.

SHACKNAI: Thank you. Thank you.

As reported by the police, the only two people home at the time that this happened were Rebecca and X<modsnip>, so, that`s what I`ve been told.

PINSKY: OK.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1208/07/ddhln.01.html

 

[Just Checking]

SHACKNAI: I would also like to add to that. This -- the idea of what happened to Max was such a shock, it wasn`t until Thursday afternoon that I was even informed by a doctor at Rady Children`s Hospital that they suspected something and CPS was called. Really, I feel during the week, it was such a traumatic shock, I was really, you know, not apprised of all the other information going on with I guess the Coronado Police Department`s investigation.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1208/07/ddhln.01.html

Can anyone really buy what she is saying - REALLY! Max's condition was final on Tuesday night! He was kept alive for donor purposes.

 

[Quester]

Did LE recover the chandelier and check it for human tissue/blood/DNA?

If so, was that tissue/blood/DNA found on the upper portion of the chandelier, as though MS fell on top of it, or on the lower portion, as though the chandelier fell on top of MS? TIA

 

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SHACKNAI: I would also like to add to that. This -- the idea of what happened to Max was such a shock, it wasn`t until Thursday afternoon that I was even informed by a doctor at Rady Children`s Hospital that they suspected something and CPS was called. Really, I feel during the week, it was such a traumatic shock, I was really, you know, not apprised of all the other information going on with I guess the Coronado Police Department`s investigation.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1208/07/ddhln.01.html

Thank you! I am not buying any of that until I hear some solid corroboration of her story. If I couple that with the fact that someone claimed to have spotted her at the mansion, the fact there is no videotape showing where she was during the time period Rebecca died, the fact that her sister was at the mansion and placed a phone call to Rebecca shortly before she was murdered, the fact she was away from the hospital for 12 hours (I believe on Tues), and the fact that her and Jonah even conflicted on her whereabouts for that 6-8 pm time period on Tues then there are some serious questions about all this.

 

[MyBelle]

BBM

I don't know.

But if Dina was going to throw that tidbit out there she should have said why otherwise it makes her look disingenuous. Her secrecy only makes her look guilty and makes me ask over and over again what is this woman's agenda here.

I think more "tidbits" will arrive in the form of a wrongful death lawsuit. Her secrecy is as a grieving mother being advised by an attorney. Her agenda seems to be to legally silence those who keep accusing her of being guilty of a crime.

JMO

 

[Just Checking]

Dr. Drew Show - Viewer question about Jonah's whereabouts during fall?

PINSKY: Interesting. Blair in Texas - Blair.

BLAIR, CALLER FROM TEXAS: Hi, Dr. Drew. Thank you so much for taking my call.

PINSKY: Pleasure.

BLAIR: Ms. Shacknai, where was your husband during this time of your son`s fall? And my condolences go to you. I`m so sorry for your loss.

SHACKNAI: Thank you. Thank you.

As reported by the police, the only two people home at the time that this happened were Rebecca and X<modsnip>, so, that`s what I`ve been told.

PINSKY: OK.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1208/07/ddhln.01.html

Dina is sitting at hospital with her hated ex-husband with her only child near death and she isnt drilling the guy about where in Hades were you? Oh yes, he probably states, as he has, that he was over at the now closed gym working out, which BTW has no record of him coming or going, no witnesses....hmmm Guy's - ignore all the appearences on talk shows, charitable institutions setup, there is a huge cover up and miss direction going on here!

 

[MyBelle]

Maybe she was not being 'secretive.' Maybe she shared with the important people just why she made that request. But there is no reason she has to make it public, imo. Maybe it involves highly sensitive family relationship/secrets and there is no reason to unveil them publicly.

I agree. If her goal is to re-open a criminal investigation, she shouldn't share the details publicly at this point in time.

JMO

 

[i.b.nora]

Hospital didn't contact police until that Thursday July 14 at 6pm. It's in the warrant that was linked to previously in this thread.

 

[katydid23]

Can anyone really buy what she is saying - REALLY! Max's condition was final on Tuesday night! He was kept alive for donor purposes.

When my friends little girl lay dying in the hospital, and everyone knew it, my friend called and said she needed to look for a good summer camp for her because school was almost out. Her 7 yr old had been in the ICU dying of brain cancer, and she could only cope by pretending everything was okay. It was heartbreaking.

I am not going to bash a mother of a dying child for going home for a nap on the second day or for not realizing their child was brain dead. Maybe she was not stable enough mentally or emotionally to process that.

It is fine for you to tell us what YOU would do. You would camp out there, be strong, never give up and deal with it like wonder woman. That is great.

But not everyone is as strong or brave or as together as you are , I suppose. Maybe some mothers would be in denial, or need to go home and cry under the covers or take some meds and pass out. Not very heroic or positive, but I am not going to judge them

 

[Just Checking]

CPS didn't contact police until that Thursday July 14 at 6pm. It's in the warrant that was linked to previously in this thread.

Which may have had to do more with Max's death. That is...if Max had lived the police would not have been immediately involved, but since he was taken off life support once donor issues were taken care of - he was then officially dead, subsequently demanding CPS involvement if any suspected wrong doing may have been inferred when he was brought to hospital. Make sense?

 

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Did LE recover the chandelier and check it for human tissue/blood/DNA?

If so, was that tissue/blood/DNA found on the upper portion of the chandelier, as though MS fell on top of it, or on the lower portion, as though the chandelier fell on top of MS? TIA

KATHY, CALLER FROM OHIO: Yes. Dr. Drew, my question is this -- I was wondering if there was any DNA found possibly that would connect the lady who had also died, Rebecca, with the son`s death?

PINSKY: Well, as you know, the San Diego investigators did not feel there was any wrongdoing. I know there was all kinds of consternation over the DNA on the rope that they found Rebecca tied to, but, Angela, maybe you can sort of clear that up real quick.

HALLIER: Yes. It`s our understanding from the records we have been given access to that DNA was taken from underneath Max`s fingernails but we have no indication that it was ever tested.

I think it's ridiculous it was never tested!

CINDY: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. For both Max and Rebecca, I wanted to say with Max, the diagram of that child trying to get over a wall and grab a chandelier and fall like that just seems like an impossibility. And I did want to ask was the chandelier fingerprinted or DNA taken off of it to prove the child had grabbed it?

PINSKY: I don`t know if -- Ann is shaking her head no and the -- Dina`s attorney said they had tested under the fingernails but did not test -- they did not have any DNA result. Thank you for that call. Cassidy in Alabama -- Cassidy.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1208/07/ddhln.01.html

 

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Hospital didn't contact police until that Thursday July 14 at 6pm. It's in the warrant that was linked to previously in this thread.

Thanks nora, I saw that, it just doesn't answer the question of the doctor or the Child Protective Services person talking to Dina and Jonah prior to that.

 

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Snip- When reviewing the autopsy report, the medical examiner's findings explained why Peterson thought suffocation was the cause of death. The autopsy said: "A spinal cord injury at this level can cause cardio-respiratory arrest (cessation of heart activity and/or breathing)," which would explain the suffocation theory suggested by Peterson.

http://www.10news.com/news/29268087/detail.html

Wasn't the disconnect here that initially Dr. Peterson though that the outward visible injuries to Max's face indicated he had been suffocated before he sustained the internal injuries to the skull and spine that resulted from the fall.

The best way to look at this in my opinion is to divide the external injuries from the internal injuries and see how they line up with each other in the various scenarios. If they don't line up then a incident before the fall may have occurred.

Did Dr. Peterson make his statement before he knew that Max had sustained a spinal cord injury? If so did he retract his statement afterwards?

If the autopsy showed spinal cord damage then yes that could cause cardio- pulmonary cessation which could have caused the brain swelling since it took paramedics about 30 minutes to get Max's heart started again.

 

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When my friends little girl lay dying in the hospital, and everyone knew it, my friend called and said she needed to look for a good summer camp for her because school was almost out. Her 7 yr old had been in the ICU dying of brain cancer, and she could only cope by pretending everything was okay. It was heartbreaking.

I am not going to bash a mother of a dying child for going home for a nap on the second day or for not realizing their child was brain dead. Maybe she was not stable enough mentally or emotionally to process that.

It is fine for you to tell us what YOU would do. You would camp out there, be strong, never give up and deal with it like wonder woman. That is great.

But not everyone is as strong or brave or as together as you are , I suppose. Maybe some mothers would be in denial, or need to go home and cry under the covers or take some meds and pass out. Not very heroic or positive, but I am not going to judge them

Katydid23, you make a very good point.