Discuss Max's death here - Thread #1.

[SunnieRN]

All I see is a picture of a Croc shoe and some red things hanging down. Where exactly is the broken chandelier still hanging at the top?

Btw, are you saying that the news reports got it wrong even though most official sites have stated that the chandelier had come crashing down rather than merely being damaged?



A shoe was able to violently hit a chandelier at a high enough distance to make it come crashing down. Even if it had been caused by a trigger switch, it only gets to show how sensitive chandeliers can be.



Is it entirely impossible for an entire chandelier to come crashing down if something hard collided with it? Is there any other way that the chandelier could have come crashing down besides Max falling on it?



http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/09/10/rebecca-zahau-case-max-shacknai-autopsy-review/

The autopsy report and the hinkymeter review of the autopsy both state that Max's injuries and subsequent death was due to a fall. Now if you can tell me how it would have been possible for a petite woman with a slight limp to have had enough strength to entirely lift up and throw a 6 year old boy from the railings with enough force that he suffered from a terrible irreversible injury, then I would be more willing to accept the possibility that Rebecca may have been directly responsible for Max's fall. Max from all accounts was also an active healthy boy so he would not have gone down with a fight if he knew Rebecca was intent in killing him. Is there any evidence of a struggle between them?

I don't think LE uncovered any. I do have questions about the rotations of his fall however. It doesn't seem like a normal progression to me. face forward, land on the chandelier, change positions to your back, as you swing into the bannister on the opposite wall, turning again to land face first on the ground? Defies logic.

 

[rosemary]

First of all, for a lawyer to get her facts wrong is a pretty damning thing. Second of all, the family has hired Cyril Wecht. I don't think he comes cheap. Thirdly, it's been the Zahau family and their lawyer, the ones who call themselves "Rebecca's voice", who bring up the planking, so it needs to be addressed. Fourthly, since XZ is the only one who was in the mansion the day of MS's fatal whiplash injury who is still alive, she really needs to be questioned more. Lastly, Anne Bremner refers to herself as "famous":

http://abovethelaw.com/2010/09/lawy...-represent-seattle-police-you-cant-arrest-me/

Cyril Wecht has been known to reduce his fee if he finds a particular case interesting enough. Maybe he made the same deal with the Zahaus. I seriously doubt the Zahaus, who came to America as refugees, are rich enough to afford hiring top lawyers and top pathologists without some sort of reduced fee deal or pro bono case going on. Btw, when did Rebecca's family ever say that it was to planking that caused Max to fall from the stairs? I've only ever heard the lawyer say it that one time. I read an interview of one of Rebecca's sisters, and she made no mention of the word planking. All I see here is a family that is hurting and bewildered over what happened to their sister and daughter.The police attitude towards them was completely appalling imo, from the beginning of the case to the end of it. It is entirely reasonable to want some answers as to why and how a person, especially a loved one, could have died in such a violent and unusual way. IF the LE have not bothered questioning Rebecca's sister about what happened on that day, then yes I agree that they should reopen this case as well.. Imo, the whole police investigation looks more and more shoddy.

 

[rosemary]

What also interests me is Max and the tranquilizer. Here's how the false positive was explained:


http://www.cbs8.com/story/15398193/...-likely-a-false-positive?clienttype=printable

So we know MS may have had a miniscule amount of a tranquilizer in his system, such a small amount that it wouldn't even have shown up on a second test, nor would it be responsible for his fall. But it does make me wonder if someone had previously sedated the boy. It's just one of those things that make you go hmmmm.

IMO

if someone had previously sedated the boy, the tranquilizer would have shown up in larger amounts in his system. Max was taken straight to the hospital on the day that he had fallen from the stairs. It wouldn't have been able to disappear from his system that fast. The tests show that the first reading could have been a false positive, meaning that there were actually no traces of tranquilizer at all, or that the amount was so miniscule that it is considered insignificant to be of concern.

 

[rosemary]

Btw, can someone else come up with an entirely different theory on how Max could have ended up with his injuries? I really am curious if there might be another possibility, another angle that the LE and the ME might have missed or ignored in Max's accident. Is there evidence of any injuries listed on the autopsy report that is not consistent with a fall? Are the police completely certain that Rebecca and her sister were only ones in the house when the accident happened? Would it have been possible for a person to have sneaked in without getting detected? Were any of the windows or doors unlocked or open at that time of the incident?

 

[thinkingstraight]

We are breaking down Max's accident. It's my theory that, yes, she did have something to do with it or KNEW exactly what happened, that it was still an accident but she lied as to not catch grief from family.

 

[rosemary]

We are breaking down Max's accident. It's my theory that, yes, she did have something to do with it or KNEW exactly what happened, that it was still an accident but she lied as to not catch grief from family.

I think that's a good possibility, but I do wonder, if what CD22 said was true, why the police wouldn't have questioned Rebecca's sister as well.

 

[JBean]

Hi Guys. You all have got to be careful when quoting posts. The quotes in the posts above this one are all broken and that leads to real confusion regarding who said what to whom.

If you see a broken quote-please alert on it and please do not carry it by quoting it again!
Give me a minute to fix these but I have to go back thru the thread and find out who actually said what and it is a very tedious task. Typically we just remove them, but I am going to try to set this right.

Please take care when quoting. thanks.

 

[thinkingstraight]

I'm sorry! Seems all I do on this board is apologize. Why am I the one to always get in trouble? I'm NEW!

 

[JBean]

I'm sorry! Seems all I do on this board is apologize. Why am I the one to always get in trouble? I'm NEW!

Trust me when I tell you it is not aways new people LOL.
You're fine.
For everyone:
If you snip a quoted post and do not quote in its entirety-you must make sure you note that it is snipped. Then if the quote is not clearly posted as

a quote

it means you snipped one of the opening or closing tags. Please repair!
go to: edit post
go advanced
add whatever tag is missing or broken. You should see a [ quote](with no spaces) at the beginning of the quote and an [/ quote](with no spaces at the end of the passage. if they are not there just add them manually.

thanks.

 

[October]

I have a hard time believing that Rebecca was strong enough to lift Max over the railing and throw him hard enough that he hit the banister on the other side. I'm taller and heavier than her, physically fit, but I don't think I could do that with my daughter, who weighs almost 10 lbs less than Max. The boy was almost half of her weight! Unless she had been doing some major strength training, I just don't buy it.

I also have a hard time imagining her hurting him intentionally. I lean more towards thinking that it was an accident that constant supervision could have prevented. Since I don't think constant supervision of a 6 year old is realistic or needed, I'm not sure what she could have done.

 

[thinkingstraight]

I think you are right October.
It sounds like she was hanging by a thread (no pun intended) w this family. And then the horrific accident happens. She tries to stay in the game as best she can but the family demands a CAUSE. They need answers to why this beloved boy is going to die. She feels persecuted on top of feeling left out. Abandoned by Jonah was the last straw. This is probably the wrong thread but like weve said before. These two incidents are related

 

[jjenny]

I think you are right October.
It sounds like she was hanging by a thread (no pun intended) w this family. And then the horrific accident happens. She tries to stay in the game as best she can but the family demands a CAUSE. They need answers to why this beloved boy is going to die. She feels persecuted on top of feeling left out. Abandoned by Jonah was the last straw. This is probably the wrong thread but like weve said before. These two incidents are related

So why didn't she pack up her bags and get the h*ll out of dodge? We also have her communicating with her sister that whole evening, but after she listened to the voice mail which apparently made her to decide to kill herself, she doesn't even send a text to her sister?

 

[CDS22]

All I see is a picture of a Croc shoe and some red things hanging down. Where exactly is the broken chandelier still hanging at the top?

Btw, are you saying that the news reports got it wrong even though most official sites have stated that the chandelier had come crashing down rather than merely being damaged?



A shoe was able to violently hit a chandelier at a high enough distance to make it come crashing down. Even if it had been caused by a trigger switch, it only gets to show how sensitive chandeliers can be.



Is it entirely impossible for an entire chandelier to come crashing down if something hard collided with it? Is there any other way that the chandelier could have come crashing down besides Max falling on it?



http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/09/10/rebecca-zahau-case-max-shacknai-autopsy-review/

The autopsy report and the hinkymeter review of the autopsy both state that Max's injuries and subsequent death was due to a fall. Now if you can tell me how it would have been possible for a petite woman with a slight limp to have had enough strength to entirely lift up and throw a 6 year old boy from the railings with enough force that he suffered from a terrible irreversible injury, then I would be more willing to accept the possibility that Rebecca may have been directly responsible for Max's fall. Max from all accounts was also an active healthy boy so he would not have gone down with a fight if he knew Rebecca was intent in killing him. Is there any evidence of a struggle between them?

I don't think anyone could throw Max and get the amount of velocity needed for such an injury. To be frank, I never entertained the thought of RZ or anyone throwing him.

 

[thinkingstraight]

So why didn't she pack up her bags and get the h*ll out of dodge? We also have her communicating with her sister that whole evening, but after she listened to the voice mail which apparently made her to decide to kill herself, she doesn't even send a text to her sister?

Because leaving him would probably give him what he wanted. I think she was angry. I also think she might have downplayed the severity of her OWN situation to save face in front of her sister or maybe even denial. Again, this is the wrong thread and I dont want to get in trouble anymore!

 

[jjenny]

Because leaving him would probably give him what he wanted. I think she was angry. I also think she might have downplayed the severity of her OWN situation to save face in front of her sister or maybe even denial. Again, this is the wrong thread and I dont want to get in trouble anymore!

Leaving him would give him what he wanted, as opposed to what? Killing herself?

 

[thinkingstraight]

IMO he told her Max was going to die soon, that it was her fault and to get out of his house and life. He didn't want her dead, he wanted her gone and hell hath no fury etc. .

 

[CDS22]

if someone had previously sedated the boy, the tranquilizer would have shown up in larger amounts in his system. Max was taken straight to the hospital on the day that he had fallen from the stairs. It wouldn't have been able to disappear from his system that fast. The tests show that the first reading could have been a false positive, meaning that there were actually no traces of tranquilizer at all, or that the amount was so miniscule that it is considered insignificant to be of concern.

It depends how long ago the sedation was in his system, if it ever was. Since the child was never prescribed any drugs, he shouldn't have had even a trace amount of it in his system.

 

[jjenny]

It depends how long ago the sedation was in his system, if it ever was. Since the child was never prescribed any drugs, he shouldn't have had even a trace amount of it in his system.

How do you know the child was never prescribed any drugs? Benzos can be prescribed to children for a wide variety of reasons.

 

[CDS22]

Because leaving him would probably give him what he wanted. I think she was angry. I also think she might have downplayed the severity of her OWN situation to save face in front of her sister or maybe even denial. Again, this is the wrong thread and I dont want to get in trouble anymore!

I agree with you about the possiblity that RZ downplayed the severity of the situation to her sister. I also think she might have downplayed or altered what happened to the police, because the whole thing doesn't make sense. I wish that the police had gotten her and XZ to take a lie detector test, although they probably don't do those on minors.

 

[jjenny]

I agree with you about the possiblity that RZ downplayed the severity of the situation to her sister. I also think she might have downplayed or altered what happened to the police, because the whole thing doesn't make sense. I wish that the police had gotten her and XZ to take a lie detector test, although they probably don't do those on minors.

Well since RN is dead, there is no chance of giving her a lie detector test. But there are a few people I wish police gave those tests to regarding RN's untimely demise.