Discuss Max's death here - Thread #1.

[Salem]

Yes, plus she couldn't know about the spinal cord injury so she should have been doing CPR from the get-go and not stopped until help arrived. AS gave RS CPR for a long time (and was witnessed doing it by officers and firefighters on the scene) and only stopped when they told him to. Pity a small child wasn't given the same privilege.

Hi CDS22 -- you need to link up this information that discusses how long RN performed CPR on MS, please or state it as your opinion and not as fact.

Thanks,

Salem

 

[SophieRose]

I'm starting to agree with you. Do we know where RN's sister lives? I'm wondering if she was whisked out of town the next morning so that LE couldn't ask her questions.

JMO

Someone posted the younger sister's school, she lives in Missouri, perhaps with older sister Mary.

 

[CDS22]

Hi CDS22 -- you need to link up this information that discusses how long RN performed CPR on MS, please or state it as your opinion and not as fact.

Thanks,

Salem

Thank you for the correction. I am new here and just getting familiar with the rules.

Here is my correction:

RZ did not do CPR on MS from the time they phoned from help until help arrived because the AR says they found her calling MS and not performing CPR. CPR was, however, performed by paramedics for 25-30 minutes:

When Officer Erhard arrived, he saw Rebecca kneeled beside Max. She was crying and yelling the child’s name. Max was ashen, unresponsive, and did not appear to be breathing.” Officer Erhard summoned fire department rescue personnel. CPR was reportedly started by Max’s father’s girlfriend. Upon paramedic’s arrival, CPR was continued, and cardiotonic medications were administered. During a second round of epinephrine, he had spontaneous return of circulation. The estimated duration of CPR was 25-30 minutes

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http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/09/10/rebecca-zahau-case-max-shacknai-autopsy-review/

 

[MoonlightPath]

Not sure if anyone else has already suggested this but I wonder if the reason Max said "Ocean" (if he did) could be because the dog actually bumped him causing him to fall? I know my dogs have bumped into me and caused me to lose my balance many times!

 

[CocoChanel]

Thank you for the correction. I am new here and just getting familiar with the rules.

Here is my correction:

RZ did not do CPR on MS from the time they phoned from help until help arrived because the AR says they found her calling MS and not performing CPR. CPR was, however, performed by paramedics for 25-30 minutes:

When Officer Erhard arrived, he saw Rebecca kneeled beside Max. She was crying and yelling the child’s name. Max was ashen, unresponsive, and did not appear to be breathing.” Officer Erhard summoned fire department rescue personnel. CPR was reportedly started by Max’s father’s girlfriend. Upon paramedic’s arrival, CPR was continued, and cardiotonic medications were administered. During a second round of epinephrine, he had spontaneous return of circulation. The estimated duration of CPR was 25-30 minutes

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/09/10/rebecca-zahau-case-max-shacknai-autopsy-review/

I disagree with your conclusion that this AR entry proves HOW LONG RZ was doing CPR on MS. The statement says she was calling his name at the time the officer arrived. It also states that CPR was started by RZ. It does not dispute that. But it is certainly within your right to dispute whatever parts of the AR you choose to.

 

[Plumeria5]

How does the Razor Scooter tie into the accident?

 

[i.b.nora]

There is a copy of Max's Autopsy Report here

Maybe that's what people should reference when discussing what it actually says rather than HinkyMeter's opinion report and analysis of what it says.
This is not a criticism of the HinkyMeter report, but it is just one person's opinion of an official document that everyone can access.

 

[JBean]

There is a copy of Max's Autopsy Report here

Maybe that's what people should reference when discussing what it actually says rather than HinkyMeter's opinion report and analysis of what it says.
This is not a criticism of the HinkyMeter report, but it is just one person's opinion of an official document that everyone can access.

Good point-thank you. It is also in the OP.

 

[thinkingstraight]

The whole "Ocean" statement sounds like something you might hear in a soap opera. Or a bad western. Just contrived sounding. IMO.

 

[Plumeria5]

How does the Razor Scooter tie into the accident?

The autopsy says part of the scooter was lying across his shin. What I am asking is do you think he was riding it, had it in his hands, just landed on it, or threw it over the bannister or something else?

 

[CocoChanel]

The autopsy says part of the scooter was lying across his shin. What I am asking is do you think he was riding it, had it in his hands, just landed on it, or threw it over the bannister or something else?

My gut tells me it was involved in the accident somehow, otherwise how would it come to be there on MS. But it was not part of the accident scenario presented at the presser, so it goes into the category of unanswered questions I guess. I hope JS and DS have more information than this. It would be horrible to have to face the loss of a child especially if you didn't have a reasonable explanation of how it occurred.

 

[CDS22]

Just wondering what everyone here thinks Max's injuries were caused by?

 

[CDS22]

The whole "Ocean" statement sounds like something you might hear in a soap opera. Or a bad western. Just contrived sounding. IMO.

Indeed, it does sound very contrived and unbelievable, along with the scooter placed just so against his leg.

 

[CocoChanel]

Just wondering what everyone here thinks Max's injuries were caused by?

My opinion is that he might have tried to jump from one of the railings to grab hold of the chandelier and swing. Perhaps the scooter was already on the first floor and was knocked onto him by his fall. For me, it's just hard to visualize how the chandelier came into play otherwise.

 

[CDS22]

My opinion is that he might have tried to jump from one of the railings to grab hold of the chandelier and swing. Perhaps the scooter was already on the first floor and was knocked onto him by his fall. For me, it's just hard to visualize how the chandelier came into play otherwise.

That's what bothers me, too. I have looked at pictures of the inside of the area of the house where Max's injuries were alleged to have occured, and don't see how he could have gotten the chandelier to crash on top of him or beneath him, not without major equipment, like a super tall ladder, that wasn't at the scene.

 

[CocoChanel]

The autospsy report answered one of my questions: how would the hyperextension of the spinal cord occur?
From page 5 of the AR:

The pattern of injuries is consistent with a face first impact on the floor from a fall, causing the skull fracture, hyperextension of the neck (bending the head backward), and subsequent injury to the spinal cord.

Personal note: It is very hard to read the AR knowing this was the death of this precious child. I can't even imagine how it would feel if I was a parent or family member reading it, AND knowing it was public information subject to srutinization by someone like me.

 

[CDS22]

The autospsy report answered one of my questions: how would the hyperextension of the spinal cord occur?
From page 2 of the AR:



Personal note: It is very hard to read the AR knowing this was the death of this precious child. I can't even imagine how it would feel if I was a parent or family member reading it, AND knowing it was public information subject to srutinization by someone like me.

What I don't understaqnd is how he got the hyperextension of the spinal cord? Is it saying that his face was hit with such impact that his head was thrown back enough to hyperextend the spinal cord? If so, that was quite a force, not enough to happen from a mere fall down those number of steps, in my very humble opinion.

 

[jjenny]

What I don't understaqnd is how he got the hyperextension of the spinal cord? Is it saying that his face was hit with such impact that his head was thrown back enough to hyperextend the spinal cord? If so, that was quite a force, not enough to happen from a mere fall down those number of steps, in my very humble opinion.

Well obviously it was enough. Because really there is no doubt he died in a fall.

 

[CocoChanel]

Note:
I editted my post to reflect the CORRECT page on the AR that discussed the hyperextension injury. It was on page 5 not page 2 as I had mistakenly cited in my inital post #76 above.

Sorry for the confusion.

 

[CDS22]

Well obviously it was enough. Because really there is no doubt he died in a fall.

Perhaps there is no doubt in your mind about what happened, but there is plenty of doubt in other people's minds. For example, we don't know (those of us who doubt the original story) if the child was thrown.