Discuss Max's death here - Thread #1.

[Rhyme & Reason]

Then you could also believe the dog guy's claims that XZ is RZ's daughter.

But when did Rebecca refer to herself as Jonah's wife?

 

[CDS22]

New article with new details. Don't know how many of them are true:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/09/18/what-really-happened-in-the-coronado-mansion.html

 

[SunnieRN]

I sincerely think they don't realize what they're in for, and I also think they are gearing up for a civil suit which a lawyer might have convinced them would be easy to win. I don't think they are thinking of the implications for XZ.

IMO

Can you please explain what you mean by this? They haven't said anything about a civil suit, up to this time. And what 'implications' to XZ are you talking about? Is there someone you know, that is saying things concerning XZ? Do you have inside knowledge? If so, I would like to know that you are posing as an insider.

Okay, just deleted what I wrote. I realize to which PR firm you're referring.

JS has a business to run, and a family to support, althought there's one less family member now due to tragic events. I can see why he'd hire a PR firm because there's been so many false things said about him.

JMO

What false things have been said about Jonah? I would appreciate links to backup this statement please. You're right, he has a business to run, but he also has an obligation to the people he states he loves. That goes beyond his children, imo.

New article with new details. Don't know how many of them are true:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/09/18/what-really-happened-in-the-coronado-mansion.html

I posted this in another thread last night, with the caveat that we don't know the aithor, that at least some of the facts are known to be incorrect. I am interested to see if some of the other information pans out.

 

[deanna82437]

Originally Posted by CDS22 View Post
New article with new details. Don't know how many of them are true:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newswee...o-mansion.html

I posted this in another thread last night, with the caveat that we don't know the aithor, that at least some of the facts are known to be incorrect. I am interested to see if some of the other information pans out.

Many things about the article and author of the above seem strange. The author mainly writes articles for beauty products, not crime stories. But then many things in this case also strange. Anyone interested can look her up and the articles she has written. JMO

 

[CDS22]

The story about GS being in town comes from her friend who said she was in Coronado but left before paramedics arrived. And it amazes me that in this instance you claim to believe the police reports but still argue the accident didn't happen as police reports say it did.

The police were actually in the house and saw who was and wasn't there. That's why I believe them.

Also, there's an article that states GS and ES left the Shacknai home hours before MS's accident occurred. MS went with his father to take them to the airport. MS and JS were supposed to go to the zoo, according to the article, but JS first went to the gym for a quick workout. That's when MS's accident allegedly happened.

 

[SunnieRN]

The police were actually in the house and saw who was and wasn't there. That's why I believe them.

Also, there's an article that states GS and ES left the Shacknai home hours before MS's accident occurred. MS went with his father to take them to the airport. MS and JS were supposed to go to the zoo, according to the article, but JS first went to the gym for a quick workout. That's when MS's accident allegedly happened.

1) The article showed no proof of the children having flown out at 6 am that morning.

2) There have been many other articles stating Jonah was playing golf and was not at the gym at the time of the accident.

3) LE did not say anything about searching the property to see if anyone else was present at the time.

imo

 

[MyBelle]

The police were actually in the house and saw who was and wasn't there. That's why I believe them.

Also, there's an article that states GS and ES left the Shacknai home hours before MS's accident occurred. MS went with his father to take them to the airport. MS and JS were supposed to go to the zoo, according to the article, but JS first went to the gym for a quick workout. That's when MS's accident allegedly happened.

That makes sense. Thanks for the clarification. What a shame the day ended in such tragedy for the family.

 

[SophieRose]

1) The article showed no proof of the children having flown out at 6 am that morning.

2) There have been many other articles stating Jonah was playing golf and was not at the gym at the time of the accident.

3) LE did not say anything about searching the property to see if anyone else was present at the time.

imo

You're dealing with heresay aobut Jonah's whereabouts and if the children were there or not, LE doesn't deal with heresay. Just because they didn't report at the press conference where the children were or what Jonah was doing at the time of MS's accident, doesn't mean they have not checked those things. I don't think LE owes those things to you either.

 

[ehough22]

Can we take a step back? I wonder if some of us are getting confused due to LE's animation/explanation. Since (presumably) no one witnessed the accident they must have drawn their conclusions based on the scene after the fall and the injuries to Max's body. Maybe if we, for a second, ignore what we've been told happened we could draw different conclusions that may make more or just as much sense.

So what do we know to be true?

-the chandelier fell to the ground
-Max landed on his face with enough force to break his neck

I am not familiar enough with the AR to comment further on his injuries- anyone? Can we say for sure that he hit his back on the banister or just that he sustained injures to his back?

I guess I'm trying to get as many known pieces of the puzzle as we can and then step back and see what scenarios would fit those pieces instead of trying to make these pieces fit LE's scenario.

 

[stilettos]

You're dealing with heresay aobut Jonah's whereabouts and if the children were there or not, LE doesn't deal with heresay. Just because they didn't report at the press conference where the children were or what Jonah was doing at the time of MS's accident, doesn't mean they have not checked those things. I don't think LE owes those things to you either.

They do owe that explanation to RZ's family.

 

[SunnieRN]

You're dealing with heresay aobut Jonah's whereabouts and if the children were there or not, LE doesn't deal with heresay. Just because they didn't report at the press conference where the children were or what Jonah was doing at the time of MS's accident, doesn't mean they have not checked those things. I don't think LE owes those things to you either.

Yes, I am dealing with hearsay, submitted by MSM as was the article in the DailyBeast. I have stated many times, that it is not me, you or the general public, who deserves an explanation. The Zahaus, however do.

 

[coastal]

What does that have to do with MS's death?

Probably nothing.

 

[CDS22]

Can we take a step back? I wonder if some of us are getting confused due to LE's animation/explanation. Since (presumably) no one witnessed the accident they must have drawn their conclusions based on the scene after the fall and the injuries to Max's body. Maybe if we, for a second, ignore what we've been told happened we could draw different conclusions that may make more or just as much sense.

So what do we know to be true?

-the chandelier fell to the ground
-Max landed on his face with enough force to break his neck

I am not familiar enough with the AR to comment further on his injuries- anyone? Can we say for sure that he hit his back on the banister or just that he sustained injures to his back?

I guess I'm trying to get as many known pieces of the puzzle as we can and then step back and see what scenarios would fit those pieces instead of trying to make these pieces fit LE's scenario.

Massive head injuries on the front of his face, scrapes on the face, back injuries, and mutliple contusions on his body. His hands don't appear to be injured, if I'm remembering the AR correctly, which indicates to me (opinion alert) that he didn't use his hands to stop his fall, if he even fell. I'm starting to think that perhaps MS didn't really fall. By the way, his neck wasn't broken, but his spinal cord was stretched. Think whiplash in the extreme. I was talking to someone in the medical profession (again, opinion alert) who thinks that this is the kind of injury you see in a child who's been in a car crash and who wasn't wearing a seat belt. That's how severe it was.

IMO

 

[SophieRose]

1) The article showed no proof of the children having flown out at 6 am that morning.

2) There have been many other articles stating Jonah was playing golf and was not at the gym at the time of the accident.

3) LE did not say anything about searching the property to see if anyone else was present at the time.

imo

Where did you hear Jonah was playing golf? I googled it and found nothing. Link please.

 

[SunnieRN]

Massive head injuries on the front of his face, scrapes on the face, back injuries, and mutliple contusions on his body. His hands don't appear to be injured, if I'm remembering the AR correctly, which indicates to me (opinion alert) that he didn't use his hands to stop his fall, if he even fell. I'm starting to think that perhaps MS didn't really fall. By the way, his neck wasn't broken, but his spinal cord was stretched. Think whiplash in the extreme. I was talking to someone in the medical profession (again, opinion alert) who thinks that this is the kind of injury you see in a child who's been in a car crash and who wasn't wearing a seat belt. That's how severe it was.

IMO

Interesting thought. So, what kind of an accident does the person you know in the medical field, feel that Max had?

 

[KarenM]

Life is random. If only little Max went to the zoo that day...

 

[CDS22]

Life is random. If only little Max went to the zoo that day...

He would have gone if the accident didn't happen. I imagine (opinion alert) that he was waiting on the lower floor, perhaps by the stairwell, for his father to return home to pick him up. I don't think he was horsing around upstairs.

IMO

 

[katydid23]

The police were actually in the house and saw who was and wasn't there. That's why I believe them.

Also, there's an article that states GS and ES left the Shacknai home hours before MS's accident occurred. MS went with his father to take them to the airport. MS and JS were supposed to go to the zoo, according to the article, but JS first went to the gym for a quick workout. That's when MS's accident allegedly happened.

This fact makes me really question Bremner, the Z family attorney. She publicly made the statement that both of the older siblings were present in the home when Max fell off the balcony. Why did she say that?

Was she mistaken? I would think she would check out those facts before making such a statement.

Was she lying on purpose? What was the purpose?

IMO, it just makes Bremner look bad. If she was wrong about that important information, and wrong about the 'planking' theory, then why believe her other accusations at all?

 

[justice be served]

He would have gone if the accident didn't happen. I imagine (opinion alert) that he was waiting on the lower floor, perhaps by the stairwell, for his father to return home to pick him up. I don't think he was horsing around upstairs.

IMO

Okay, I'll bite. So if Max was not upstairs, you don't think he fell at all? The chandelier fell on him from above? The dog jumped on him and he was injured? I'm all ears on this one but maybe I'm not reading your post correctly.

 

[CDS22]

This fact makes me really question Bremner, the Z family attorney. She publicly made the statement that both of the older siblings were present in the home when Max fell off the balcony. Why did she say that?

Was she mistaken? I would think she would check out those facts before making such a statement.

Was she lying on purpose? What was the purpose?

IMO, it just makes Bremner look bad. If she was wrong about that important information, and wrong about the 'planking' theory, then why believe her other accusations at all?

I agree that it makes Bremner look very bad. She's been advertised as a high profile lawyer, and Cyril Wecht doesn't come cheap, so I wonder what's up with the obvious misinformation.