Discuss Max's death here - Thread #1.

[CDS22]

Okay, I'll bite. So if Max was not upstairs, you don't think he fell at all? The chandelier fell on him from above? The dog jumped on him and he was injured? I'm all ears on this one but maybe I'm not reading your post correctly.

I have no clue, but it goes along with what RZ's sister is claiming RZ told her on the phone, that MS was playing in the hallway.

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

Massive head injuries on the front of his face, scrapes on the face, back injuries, and mutliple contusions on his body. His hands don't appear to be injured, if I'm remembering the AR correctly, which indicates to me (opinion alert) that he didn't use his hands to stop his fall, if he even fell. I'm starting to think that perhaps MS didn't really fall. By the way, his neck wasn't broken, but his spinal cord was stretched. Think whiplash in the extreme. I was talking to someone in the medical profession (again, opinion alert) who thinks that this is the kind of injury you see in a child who's been in a car crash and who wasn't wearing a seat belt. That's how severe it was.

IMO

In the AR I see some facial contusions & abrasions, but nowhere does it say massive facial injuries!

 

[justice be served]

This fact makes me really question Bremner, the Z family attorney. She publicly made the statement that both of the older siblings were present in the home when Max fell off the balcony. Why did she say that?

Was she mistaken? I would think she would check out those facts before making such a statement.

Was she lying on purpose? What was the purpose?

IMO, it just makes Bremner look bad. If she was wrong about that important information, and wrong about the 'planking' theory, then why believe her other accusations at all?

She wasn't very far into the case when she got the 'cease and desist' so we've not heard much out of her lately. But I would definitely keep an :eye: on her. I don't much care for her but I don't think she is a dummie at all.

 

[CDS22]

In the AR I see some facial contusions & abrasions, but nowhere does it say massive facial injuries!

I should have specified - contusions, abrasions, and skull fracture.

 

[CalElliot]

Ok thanks for looking for a link. If true that it was back up, maybe it was the only lighting in the foyer?

Couldn't find link for this, so don't know whether or not chandelier was rehung.

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

Couldn't find link for this, so don't know whether or not chandelier was rehung.

It's OK, no worries, thanks for trying! If I come across it I will post.

 

[tvscum]

Not sure if this was posted earlier, but the distance from the top banister that he tripped over to where the animation shows him falling on the bottom banister is "a little over 9 feet" from banister to banister.

1:07:30 in the news conference here:

http://www.10news.com/video/29065367/index.html

 

[CDS22]

In the AR I see some facial contusions & abrasions, but nowhere does it say massive facial injuries!

Pages 5 and 6 of the AR will detail the amount of facial injuries he had. The child is pretty banged up on the face, head, and body which is unusual for a fall.

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

Pages 5 and 6 of the AR will detail the amount of facial injuries he had. The child is pretty banged up on the face, head, and body which is unusual for a fall.

Banged up yes, "massive" facial injuries, no.

 

[CDS22]

Banged up yes, "massive" facial injuries, no.

Did you count the number of facial injuries on the pages I gave you?

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

Did you count the number of facial injuries on the pages I gave you?

I have the AR and investigation report saved to my computer and have read over them several times. I disagree with your term "massive".

 

[CDS22]

I have the AR and investigation report saved to my computer and have read over them several times. I disagree with your term "massive".

So ten facial injuries (twelve if you count the ones on either side of his neck just under the jawline) are minor to you? (In your opinion, of course).

 

[CDS22]

Does anyone else wonder how MS got injuries on both sides of his neck ?(page 6 of the autopsy report). Kind of strange for a kid tripping over something and falling over the stairs (this the latest in the Zahau family version of how he got fatally injured).

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

So ten facial injuries (twelve if you count the ones on either side of his neck just under the jawline) are minor to you? (In your opinion, of course).

Not minor, but not massive either. If his facial bones would have been broken/smashed, then I would consider that more towards massive. Yes, my opinion.

ETA: I refuse to argue with you about this all day, so this is my last post on the subject.

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

Does anyone else wonder how MS got injuries on both sides of his neck ?(page 6 of the autopsy report). Kind of strange for a kid tripping over something and falling over the stairs (this the latest in the Zahau family version of how he got fatally injured).

bbm - Link please

 

[steff13]

I'm new to this site, and this investigation, but is it possible that he was standing on the top railing for some reason? Maybe he thought he might swing on the chandelier, climbed up onto the railing, and jumped off towards it, thinking he could grab it? If he was trying to grab for the chandelier, that might explain why he didn't instinctively cover his face with his hands? If he did succeed in grabbing it, or even if he just hit it, that might explained how it fell. If he "face-planted" into the floor, then the chandelier fell after him and hit his back, that might explain the marks on his back. It might have initially hit him in the back and then come to rest off to the side rather than directly on top of him.

Even if he didn't jump off the rail on purpose, if he was standing on it for some reason and lost his footing, he might have grabbed for the chandelier to try to catch himself.

I know chandeliers are supposed to be attached rather securely, but this one clearly was not. Unless someone climbed up and unscrewed it from the ceiling, it fell. I don't think that's disputed. Unless there is an indication that someone did unscrew it?

 

[steff13]

Does anyone else wonder how MS got injuries on both sides of his neck ?(page 6 of the autopsy report). Kind of strange for a kid tripping over something and falling over the stairs (this the latest in the Zahau family version of how he got fatally injured).

I am perplexed by this whole circumstance. Why would Rbecca's family be coming up with any notions as to how the accident happened? If Rebecca and her sister truly didn't see anything, then Max is the only one who knows how it happened.

 

[chasing.halos]

Does anyone else wonder how MS got injuries on both sides of his neck ?(page 6 of the autopsy report). Kind of strange for a kid tripping over something and falling over the stairs (this the latest in the Zahau family version of how he got fatally injured).

I can say that Maxie's family is confused about this as well.

In this depiction, I can see 1 neck injury happening from hitting the other side of the stairs (6th or 7th model pose here: http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/images/ms01.jpg) But 1 on the other side of the neck? I don't know.

 

[CDS22]

I am perplexed by this whole circumstance. Why would Rbecca's family be coming up with any notions as to how the accident happened? If Rebecca and her sister truly didn't see anything, then Max is the only one who knows how it happened.

The sister claims that RZ told her over the phone how she last saw MS playing in the hallway (which is a different version from what RZ told the police). Then the family gave an interview, and the interviewer stated that Max "tripped" over something and fell down the stairs. His injuries aren't consistent with that.

IMO

 

[Silkprint]

Haven't read any of the reports yet but am going to .
- Max was adorable ..look at that smile . RIP Max