Discuss Max's death here - Thread #1.

[CDS22]

They knew because he suffered brain damage during the CPR efforts, because it took so long to get his heart beating again. I don't believe that doctor knew about extensive spinal cord damage-it was not visible and the neck was not broken.

Respectfully, I disagree with you. I think the doctors were right on the ball with Max's diagnosis and treatment. There are lots of tests available to diagnose spinal cord injuries.

 

[MyBelle]

And yet he was able to say "Ocean."

An impossibility, imo

 

[MyBelle]

Spinal cord damage is not a visible injury. The doctor clearly based his opinion because of visible injuries.

I don't believe you are correct in your assumption.

 

[jjenny]

Respectfully, I disagree with you. I think the doctors were right on the ball with Max's diagnosis and treatment. There are lots of tests available to diagnose spinal cord injuries.

There might be tests available but the doctor based his opinion on visible injuries. Not on any tests for spinal cord injury. Max's neck was not broken. His facial injures would not explain why he stopped breathing. So, yes, based on visible injuries one would not understand why he stopped breathing. But the visible injuries did not tell the story.

 

[MyBelle]

Respectfully, I disagree with you. I think the doctors were right on the ball with Max's diagnosis and treatment. There are lots of tests available to diagnose spinal cord injuries.

I also have no doubt the doctor knew the extent of Max's injuries. An insider posted on this forum days ago about his mother's belief he was suffocated. The search warrants confirm it.

JMO

 

[CDS22]

I also have no doubt the doctor knew the extent of Max's injuries. An insider posted on this forum days ago about his mother's belief he was suffocated. The search warrants confirm it.

JMO

Yes, proof the insider really is an insider.

IMO

 

[steff13]

Max's search warrant says that the doctor said no determination could be made as to the cause of his cardiac arrest.

IIRC, the ME says in the AR that the type of neck injury Max had causes cardiac arrest.

If the doctor at the hospital couldn't determine the cause of the cardiac arrest, doesn't that indicate that he either wasn't aware of the extent of Max's injuries, or he isn't as knowledgeable about those types of injuries as the ME is?

 

[SunnieRN]

I take the words, "at first" to mean he formed his opinion at the beginning of Max's care. I doubt his opinion ever changed because there would be no medical reason to change it but I also doubt LE conveyed it to the ME. Max's parents should ask the ME to change his ruling.

JMO

So are you saying that you believe LE with held information from the ME? If that is the case, and this doctor still felt this way, he could obviously present a case, in court proving it. Why did LE not make an arrest based on this doctors 'at first' findings?

I will respectfully ask you to tell me in what capacity you hold a medical degree to know that there was no reason to change his mind. Also, do you routinely have to assess situations as as a mandated reporter. There are strict laws governing this practice. Why would LE not report these findings to the ME and why would they state publicly that this was a tragic accident?

Excuse me? The doctor's opinion was used to obtain a search warrant. I don't believe the doctor's medical license is in danger.

JMO

Again, why no arrests if he was so sure of his findings? Has he gone public and stated that Max was murdered? I certainly have not seen him do so.

Abrasions on the back have nothing to do with a fall on the head. Experts state specifically that children who allegedly die or are injured in falls typically do not have any injuries on their trunks. In other words, there should be no dragging marks on a spinal cord if the fatal injuries were caused by whiplash.

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[jjenny]

Max's search warrant says that the doctor said no determination could be made as to the cause of his cardiac arrest.

IIRC, the ME says in the AR that the type of neck injury Max had causes cardiac arrest.

If the doctor at the hospital couldn't determine the cause of the cardiac arrest, doesn't that indicate that he either wasn't aware of the extent of Max's injuries, or he isn't as knowledgeable about those types of injuries as the ME is?

That doctor based his opinion on visible injuries. Not on any test of the spinal cord damage. I agree he most likely was not aware of the extensive spinal cord damage, and the visible injuries would not explain why Max stopped breathing. But the spinal cord injury would, and clearly the spinal cord injury is not associated with suffocation.

 

[MyBelle]

That doctor based his opinion on visible injuries. Not on any internal tests. I agree he most likely was not aware of the extensive spinal cord damage, and the visible injuries would not explain why Max stopped breathing. But the spinal cord injury would, and clearly the spinal cord injury is not associated with suffocation.

BBM. Link, please.

 

[jjenny]

BBM. Link, please.

What link? It's right there in the search warrant. The doctor did not think VISIBLE injuries were consistent with cardiac arrest and brain swelling experienced by Max. It doesn't say the doctor based his opinion on any tests, just the visible injuries.

 

[CDS22]

What link? It's right there in the search warrant. The doctor did not think VISIBLE injuries were consistent with cardiac arrest and brain swelling experienced by Max. It doesn't say the doctor based his opinion on any tests, just the visible injuries.

That's not what that means. His words mean that what was on the outside did not match the internal injuries.

Dr. Brad Peterson is the director of the Pediatric Intensive Care Unit. He knows how to do tests to determine spinal cord injuries.

 

[jjenny]

That's not what that means. His words mean that what was on the outside did not match the internal injuries.

Dr. Brad Peterson is the director of the Pediatric Intensive Care Unit. He knows how to do tests to determine spinal cord injuries.

It doesn't say anything about internal injuries. Says visible injuries were not consistent with cardiac arrest and brain swelling. Doesn't say anything about spinal cord injuries. Spinal cord injures is what caused Max to stop breathing. Which led to cardiac arrest and brain swelling because his brain was without oxygen.

 

[CDS22]

It doesn't say anything about internal injuries. Says visible injuries were not consistent with cardiac arrest and brain swelling. Doesn't say anything about spinal cord injuries. Spinal cord injures is what caused Max to stop breathing. Which led to cardiac arrest and brain swelling because his brain was without oxygen.

Brain swelling and spinal cord injuries are internal injuries. You do know there are diagnostic tools for looking at things like spinal cord injuries, right? Here are just a few:

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/spinal-cord-injury/DS00460/DSECTION=tests-and-diagnosis

 

[jjenny]

Brain swelling and spinal cord injuries are internal injuries. You do know there are diagnostic tools for looking at things like spinal cord injuries, right? Here are just a few:

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/spinal-cord-injury/DS00460/DSECTION=tests-and-diagnosis

The doctor hasn't mentioned a word about spinal cord injuries when he based his opinion on VISIBLE injuries. Seriously, people who claim otherwise should contact this doctor if spinal cord injuries would be consistent with cardiac arrest and the fact that Max stopped breathing, which is what caused the brain damage because his brain was not getting enough oxygen.

 

[MyBelle]

What link? It's right there in the search warrant. The doctor did not think VISIBLE injuries were consistent with cardiac arrest and brain swelling experienced by Max. It doesn't say the doctor based his opinion on any tests, just the visible injuries.

How on earth do you think he determined brain swelling? It doesn't say he just based his opinion on visible injuries and did no tests. The brain swelling could not be diagnosed without tests.

JMO

 

[jjenny]

How on earth do you think he determined brain swelling? It doesn't say he just based his opinion on visible injuries and did no tests. The brain swelling could not be diagnosed without tests.

JMO

There is not a word about spinal cord damage to explain how the doctor formed this opinion. By the way spinal cord damage is not associated with suffocation.

 

[MyBelle]

There is not a word about spinal cord damage to explain how the doctor formed this opinion. By the way spinal cord damage is not associated with suffocation.

There is a word about brain swelling and brain swelling can't be diagnosed with out testing. It is kinda silly to keep insisting the doctor made such a diagnosis without doing tests.

JMO

 

[katydid23]

There is not a word about spinal cord damage to explain how the doctor formed this opinion. By the way spinal cord damage is not associated with suffocation.

When the spinal cord actually pops out of the neck and breaks the connection then it is associated with the inability to breathe.

 

[SophieRose]

I think if I thought someone fatally injured my child, I could be so consumed with grief and hatred that I wouldn't think about anything else other than making them pay.

So you base your opinion on what you would do? A revenge killing. And that wouldn't bring a child (MS in this case) back and would lead to more questions than answers.