Discuss Max's death here - Thread #1.

[Yoda]

The way it is unfolding is certainly confirming for me that RZ's death was a suicide. It's no coincidence that a second floor balcony factors into both deaths, imo.

Actually, my thoughts were the exact opposite. When I read about the possible suffocation my second thought was "someone killed RZ because of this". IMO

 

[elementry]

I agree with you. I also think that the pressure might have been building what with Max's family (father, uncle, aunt) asking questions of her, and presumably the medical authorities, too. I also think she might have planned her suicide from the moment MS was taken to the hospital and not necessarily the night she got the phone call. JMO

A shame there wasn't a more exhaustive investigation before LE pronounced it's summary verdict. It might could have lessened a lot of the angst that was left in the abbreviated investigation's wake. Now LE is in shut-down mode and all that's left is pure speculation as info leaks out in drips and drabs.

 

[SophieRose]

Actually, my thoughts were the exact opposite. When I read about the possible suffocation my second thought was "someone killed RZ because of this". IMO

You don't think they would go through a court of law to get answers. Answers would be important to most people. You think they drilled her themselves and then discarded her?

 

[SunnieRN]

The police used the doctor's statement to obtain the search warrants:

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/130367943.html

From the article you listed:

snip:

Newly obtained search warrants reveal that a doctor at first thought that Max Shacknai, son of Jonah Shacknai may have been suffocated.
A county sheriff’s investigation later confirmed that Max died after falling down the stairs in the infamous Spreckles mansion where Rebecca Zahau was found dead days later.


Source: Shacknai Boy May Have Suffocated: Doctor | NBC San Diego

I agree with you. I also think that the pressure might have been building what with Max's family (father, uncle, aunt) asking questions of her, and presumably the medical authorities, too. I also think she might have planned her suicide from the moment MS was taken to the hospital and not necessarily the night she got the phone call. JMO

Funny, the way I see things, you just made a VERY strong statement as to how Rebecca's death could be a murder. Father, Uncle, Mom, Aunt....yeppers, murder is the BEST case scenario with that much anfst and anger by the family being present.

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

Abrasions on the back have nothing to do with a fall on the head. Experts state specifically that children who allegedly die or are injured in falls typically do not have any injuries on their trunks. In other words, there should be no dragging marks on a spinal cord if the fatal injuries were caused by whiplash.

Oh boy. The ME DID NOT say Max had "dragging marks" on his spinal cord!

 

[steff13]

You don't think they would go through a court of law to get answers. Answers would be important to most people. You think they drilled her themselves and then discarded her?

I think if I thought someone fatally injured my child, I could be so consumed with grief and hatred that I wouldn't think about anything else other than making them pay.

 

[steff13]

Oh boy. The ME DID NOT say Max had "dragging marks" on his spinal cord!

Or abrasions on his neck.

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

Okay, so now we've got a doctor from Rady's stating he thinks Max was suffocated, and that Max's visible injuries were not consistent with his internal injuries. And we have a little boy with scrape marks (abrasions) down his spine, as though he were dragged down the steps. So could someone have suffocated Max, then dragged him downstairs to stage an accidental "fall" scene? Could someone have known Max suffered oxygen deprivation and would in no way recover to say what happened, long before he even got examined by doctors? Just some speculation on my part.

He said he thought that AT FIRST!!!!!!

 

[SunnieRN]

Oh boy. The ME DID NOT say Max had "dragging marks" on his spinal cord!

Seems to be quite a lot of 'misquotes' and incomplete quotes on multiple threads today. It really muddies the waters and makes it difficult as re posts of quotes and articles have to be re posted to redact errors. Very frustrating when facts have been proven over and over, time and time again!:banghead:

 

[MyBelle]

Thank you for the link. The key words in that report are "At first". I get that he thought that at first....if he still feels that way, he should step forward and call for further investigation.

I take the words, "at first" to mean he formed his opinion at the beginning of Max's care. I doubt his opinion ever changed because there would be no medical reason to change it but I also doubt LE conveyed it to the ME. Max's parents should ask the ME to change his ruling.

JMO

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

The doctor thinks he was suffocated, then went over the railing.

What????? He said no such thing!!!!! You know, when non members google this case, links come up to WS. People are going to see all of these posts of yours where you misquote and take it as fact!!!

 

[SunnieRN]

I take the words, "at first" to mean he formed his opinion at the beginning of Max's care. I doubt his opinion ever changed because there would be no medical reason to change it but I also doubt LE conveyed it to the ME. Max's parents should ask the ME to change his ruling.

JMO

Being in the medical field, being a mandated reporter of child abuse, I respectfully am telling you, that if this doctor was at all interested in keeping an active medical license, this would NOT be true.

 

[MyBelle]

He said he thought that AT FIRST!!!!!!

yes, it must have been really obvious. What is does not say is that the doctor changed his opinion.

JMO

 

[steff13]

Something I did notice about the marks on his back - the AR says they are evenly spaced apart - about 1/2", IIRC. I wonder what would cause something like that?

 

[MyBelle]

Being in the medical field, being a mandated reporter of child abuse, I respectfully am telling you, that if this doctor was at all interested in keeping an active medical license, this would NOT be true.

Excuse me? The doctor's opinion was used to obtain a search warrant. I don't believe the doctor's medical license is in danger.

JMO

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

Has there been anything said that the sister had wet hair when police arrived? I would imagine it would be if she was in the shower.

Hi justbetweenus. On Tuesday I read somewhere that the sister was blowing out her hair. Their words. So much has been released the last few days that I have no idea where I read that, so no link. I'll check around to see if I can find a link.

 

[jjenny]

yes, it must have been really obvious. What is does not say is that the doctor changed his opinion.

JMO

It doesn't have to say anything. The doctor made his observations based on external injuries. The doctor didn't know about the extensive spinal cord damage.

 

[jjenny]

The way it is unfolding is certainly confirming for me that RZ's death was a suicide. It's no coincidence that a second floor balcony factors into both deaths, imo.

It makes me more suspicious.

 

[CDS22]

Oh boy. The ME DID NOT say Max had "dragging marks" on his spinal cord!

At no time did I say the ME claimed he had dragging marks on his spinal cord. Please don't ascribe things to me that I haven't said.

 

[justbetweenus]

Hi justbetweenus. On Tuesday I read somewhere that the sister was blowing out her hair. Their words. So much has been released the last few days that I have no idea where I read that, so no link. I'll check around to see if I can find a link.

Thanks Rhyme. Don't worry about a link.