Discuss Max's death here - Thread #1.

[CDS22]

Speaking from the perspective of someone who is married to a doctor, and the daughter of a nurse, I find it plausible that she could have simply asked her sister for advice on the best way to keep the cuts clean-- particularly if she had been told to clean them at some particular interval.

I do this all the time with my husband and my mom when I have a question about how to best care for some ailment my son or myself might have. Again, this is all just my opinion, but it seems plausible to me.

If the stitches were done on a Monday and the teenager was back in Missouri on a Wednesday, would RZ have had to do anything to them?

 

[SunnieRN]

I'm sorry, there's been a miscommunication. I was asking had she requested the investigation reopen prior to JS first letter. I stated clearly that it was my opinion they were aiming for a civil suit

Those aren't statements. They are questions to you (or anyone else who might know)

Actually Bremner did ask for the investigation to be re opened and there is not a civil suit filed as far as I am aware. I have not seen any articles or news stories about one anyway?

As you can see, I did answer that question. Not sure of the point you are making?:waitasec:

 

[MyBelle]

I still find it hard to believe that the head doctor of the Intensive Care Unit would not know about Max' spinal cord contusion he had.

Wasnt there some mention that an anonymous poster was posting over on the ROL site and some thought it was Dina? That was a week or so ago maybe even longer. Anyway the commenter kept saying that Max had been murdered and he had been smothered.

IMO

The SW posted upthread said the ICU doctor ran four days of tests and could not determine the cause of Max's cardiac arrest. So, <modsnip> about Max's spinal injury and concluded his spinal injury did not cause the cardiac arrest.

Plus, the doctor also concluded the visible injuries to Max would not be caused by cardiac arrest. It's easy for me to understand why he called in police. It is just sickening what happened to this innocent child.

What I find especially significant is that the doctor formed his conclusion after four days of tests and being given a description of Max's fall. Exact times weren't given but I believe Rebecca was aware of his concerns when she killed herself.


JMO

 

[laurafairlie]

If the stitches were done on a Monday and the teenager was back in Missouri on a Wednesday, would RZ have had to do anything to them?

I don't know. I would guess that would depend on any number of variables from where exactly the stitches were located, what type of stitches were used, whether or not they were covered with bandages, etc. I also don't know if the plan at the time that this conversation took place was to send her sister back home or if that was a later development.

My only point is that RZ asking her sister this question in and of itself doesn't seem extremely unusual to me.

 

[SunnieRN]

If the stitches were done on a Monday and the teenager was back in Missouri on a Wednesday, would RZ have had to do anything to them?

Often it can be recommended to make sure the bandages are kept dry and that antibiotic ointment be placed at the site, to promote wound healing and a decreased chance of infection. Other times, 4 stitches would be covered and not require care. Depends upon discharge instructions given at the hospital or clinic.

 

[SunnieRN]

The SW posted upthread said the ICU doctor ran four days of tests and could not determine the cause of Max's cardiac arrest. So, of course the doctor knew about Max's spinal injury and concluded his spinal injury did not cause the cardiac arrest.

Plus, the doctor also concluded the visible injuries to Max would not be caused by cardiac arrest. It's easy for me to understand why he called in police. It is just sickening what happened to this innocent child.

What I find especially significant is that the doctor formed his conclusion after four days of tests and being given a description of Max's fall. Exact times weren't given but I believe Rebecca was aware of his concerns when she killed herself.


JMO

So, in other words, he could not determine that Max had been suffocated, despite his first impressions.

 

[CDS22]

I don't know. I would guess that would depend on any number of variables from where exactly the stitches were located, what type of stitches were used, whether or not they were covered with bandages, etc. I also don't know if the plan at the time that this conversation took place was to send her sister back home or if that was a later development.

My only point is that RZ asking her sister this question in and of itself doesn't seem extremely unusual to me.

XZ was supposed to be visiting RZ for 2 weeks. After MS was injured, she was quickly flown home.

 

[SunnieRN]

XZ was supposed to be visiting RZ for 2 weeks. After MS was injured, she was quickly flown home.

And a reason has not been established for that departure. Just to keep facts straight.

 

[MyBelle]

Here's why I think it's strange. XZ was injured with glass badly enough to require medical treatment and sutures, and was due for a follow up approximately 48 hours later. Yet, in that time, XZ was sent back to Missouri where the sister-the-nurse lives. So what could RZ have needed to know about XZ's injuries in that short amount of time?

I think it was just filler to deflect the topic away from Max and his horrific injuries.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

So, in other words, he could not determine that Max had been suffocated, despite his first impressions.

Don't need other words when the ones used in the SW make it quite clear suffocation is the only explanation for Max's cardiac arrest.

JMO

 

[SunnieRN]

I think it was just filler to deflect the topic away from Max and his horrific injuries.

JMO

Or, she could have been wondering IF she had to do anything, if no instructions were given by the hospital/doc in the box.

 

[laurafairlie]

XZ was supposed to be visiting RZ for 2 weeks. After MS was injured, she was quickly flown home.

I understand that. I meant that I am not privy to a) when exactly this conversation with her sister took place or b) when it was decided that XZ would be flying home.

Again, my point was that there are ways to explain this conversation that are reasonable and not sinister, IMO.

I feel for both of these families and the individuals involved. I wonder what someone would think of my actions/thoughts/comments on a daily basis if they were opened up to public scrutiny and I try to ask myself if there could be some plausible explanation for someone's actions. Everyone involved in this case is having their actions scrutinized, and for good reason, but in this particular instance, I saw something I could directly relate to as being very normal, so I commented on it in an effort to offer my perspective.

 

[thinkingstraight]

As you can see, I did answer that question. Not sure of the point you are making?:waitasec:

I am definitely confused now. Can you tell me if the family or family's lawyer requested the investigation before JS came out with his 1st letter to AG?

 

[stilettos]

And a reason has not been established for that departure. Just to keep facts straight.

Because no one in these cases is talking...for all we know JS could have told RZ to send XZ home. JMO Just like we have yet to find out who decided the dog should be put in the kennel.

 

[SunnieRN]

I am definitely confused now. Can you tell me if the family or family's lawyer requested the investigation before JS came out with his 1st letter to AG?

From the first interviews that Bremner was involved in (on Dr. Drew, if I am not mistaken), Bremner and the family asked that the case be investigated. This was quite some time prior to the letter from Jonah to the AG, which by the way, did not request the case be re opened, but that the AG look at the evidence the bureaus accumulated and review said materials, imoo.

 

[SunnieRN]

Because no one in these cases are talking...for all we know JS could have told RZ to send XZ home. JMO Just like we have yet to find out who decided the dog should be put in the kennel.

Exactly! Thanks!

 

[CDS22]

Because no one in these cases is talking...for all we know JS could have told RZ to send XZ home. JMO Just like we have yet to find out who decided the dog should be put in the kennel.

Do you have a link that JS told RZ to send XZ home? TIA

Also, are you saying the kennel guy was lying when he said RZ asked him to pick up the dog because she'd be busy taking care of her injured "son" and injured "daughter"?

 

[CDS22]

I think it was just filler to deflect the topic away from Max and his horrific injuries.

JMO

Speaking of MS's injuries, what do you think could have come first? The fall and then the suffocation, or the suffocation and then the "fall"? And, of course, I'm speaking of mere opinions.

 

[thinkingstraight]

From the first interviews that Bremner was involved in (on Dr. Drew, if I am not mistaken), Bremner and the family asked that the case be investigated. This was quite some time prior to the letter from Jonah to the AG, which by the way, did not request the case be re opened, but that the AG look at the evidence the bureaus accumulated and review said materials, imoo.

They asked dr drew? Who did they ask? If they submitted a formal request to the AG asking it to be reopened, I would like to read it. And just so were clear, I never said JS letter was a request for it to be reopened. I am not trying to be rude - it's hard to make oneself clear without sounding a little harsh isn't it?

 

[katydid23]

How do we know things were not fine between her and Jonah, again?

Thanks - I think I missed that,

Salem

Just taking an educated guess. Max had died violently in her care, and if things were 'fine' between JS and RN then I would expect that he would be reaching out to her, comforting her, asking her to stay with him in the hotel so they could comfort each other. He did nothing of the sort. He made it pretty clear, IMO, that things were NOT OKAY between them.