Discussion: Is TH responsible for Kyron's disappearance? #2(POLL ADDED)

[BringKyronHome]

O.K I'm having a really hard time here giving my opinion of why I think Terry is guilty of taking Kyron out of the school, by simply walking out with him. I keep getting reasons that could have happened, IF in fact she did just that. With her alibi, of the Dr. appt. and just walking out. No one is telling me why that couldn't have happened

I'm not sure I understand your comment...I think the idea of just telling him he has an appointment and walking out would be straight forward & easy...but if you think about executing it in real life, there is no way any one could be sure, particularly on a busy day, that they wouldnt' be seen 'just walking out'...and since you would never know if you were seen until later when the police started questionaing people, it's not a good plan.

You wouldn't want to kill a kid then dispose of the body if someone was looking out the window when you were climbing into the car, right.

But you would never know if that person saw you until you showed up on the news.

You would want to plan something that you would know right away if there was a glitch so you could abort.

Walking out, particularly when it's a busy day, with loads of moms & dads milling about...

Well it's just not the ideal scenario.

If I misinterpreted your question, sorry...

 

[angelswatchoverthem]

I don't think anyone denied her custody. She was sick, and let Kaine have custody while she was away. When she came back from Canada, she was $30,000 in debt and had to live with her parents. She was still having health problems. By the time she was well enough to take him, he had been there awhile and most people believe a judge would be reluctant to move him yet again as long as he was healthy and happy with his dad. Plus she didn't really have the funds to hire an attorney to fight a most probably losing battle. I bet she wishes she had fought for him in hindsight.

Well that is very sad. Yet, i feel that there should not have been a fight at all. It should have been what was best for little Kyron. His mother carried him next to her heart for 9 months and gave birth to him, she should rightfully have had the choice as to what was in her heart to do, and her ex husband should of respected her wishes as the mother of Kyron. As a Mother, that is my take on it anyway. A little boy needs his mommy. I am sure Desiree's parents would have been Kyron's caretakers if they were allowed to help and were in a position to do so, until she was again well enough to look after him. Wouldn't you think any loving parents would be more than happy to help out in such a situation? How long was the duration of Desiree's health problems? Kidney problems are very treatable. I think if her ex husband denied her, then that was an awful thing to do. Wouldn't you think that he would have done whatever was necessary to help for Desiree to still be a mother to Kyron through her illness? It would be the least he could do under the circumstances i would think!

 

[cluciano63]

We haven't heard from Desiree as to what the exact situation was, once she recovered her health, as to custody issues. In fact maybe she was remarrying at that time and agreed with Kaine to leave Kyron where he was-I'm guessing he would have been settled. On Dateline, Desiree said she has lived her current home for about 5 years, so perhaps that is the length of new marriage? It is possible she felt it was better he stayed where he was familiar for the time being. I don't think it is fair to say that Kaine fought her on it, unless Desiree comes out and says so. And since she hasn't, she probably won't.

 

[cypress]

This might be OT but i reflect on the Sommer Thompson case here. It was broad daylight with people everywhere when she went missing after school, yet nobody really saw anything much of any consequence at her disappearance on that fateful day! She was seen at a couple of places and then zilch, nothing after that.
I just have a hard time thinking of why TH would take the trouble to take Kyron to school and then what? abduct him a short time later? I also agree with the posters that mention the fact the risk she would of taken of beeing seen taking him with her again after him being at the school. Does anyone think its possible that Kyron wandered off of his own accord away from the school at all? If he did have some problems with certain things maybe he got some idea in his mind, as little children do, and went off by himself on some little adventure and got himself lost in the woods? There were quite a few hours that were unaccounted for until he was found to be missing. Just thinking of other possibilities. I wonder how far they searched around the area of the school surrounds, and did they have any sniffer dogs to maybe help locate him?
As far as the school having any accountability, i thought if a child is removed from the school for any reason, wouldn't they have to be officially signed out at the office/admin. part of the school before they are allowed to leave?
I know my son that is in HS has to have my permission to leave the school grounds for any reason, if getting out before school is let out for the day.

My husband is an engineer and therefore a very logical and unemotional thinker. Several weeks ago, we were talking about this case, about how strange it is, the lack of evidence, etc., and he mentioned something similar. He wondered if Kyron wandered off and fell somewhere, which could explain everything, really. Not much credence is being given to this theory because the parents are emphatic about him not wandering off, but kids are kids, and as much as kids like their routines, kids are also impulsive and unpredictable.

Having said that, I think it's possible but not probable. IMHO, there was a pedophile who saw an opportunity and took it. Someone upthread mentioned Somer Thompson, but I think about Amber Dubois, Danielle van Dam, Elizabeth Smart and others who disappeared from either unlikely places or in broad daylight with nary a witness. Unfortunately, it does happen.

 

[Leila]

I believe that TH is involved in Kyron's disappearance.

First of all, there's the MFH which reportedly took place about 6 months prior to Kyron's disappearance. This tells me that TH's personal moral values (or lack of) finds the murder and death of someone close to her acceptable in order to achieve a personal goal.

Secondly, of all four adults in Kyron's life, Terri is the only one that cannot account for her whereabouts on the morning of June 4th. It's been stated that she left the school at 8:45am, and the next verifiable time is when she checked into the gym at 11:39am. That's almost 3 hours that's unaccounted for.

Thirdly, Terri was involved in sexting a man who was a high school friend of Kaine's. What sort of woman gets involved in an adulterous relationship with a man when their step son is missing? This goes to character.

What I see is a woman who has no moral values. Murder, adultery, and lying are acceptable to her. She was also the last person seen with Kyron, and who cannot explain her whereabouts on the morning that Kyron disappeared. In addition, she's reportedly failed two polygraphs. She's hired a defense attorney and isn't talking.

I think there's good reason to believe that Terri is involved in Kyron's disappearance.

 

[angelswatchoverthem]

My husband is an engineer and therefore a very logical and unemotional thinker. Several weeks ago, we were talking about this case, about how strange it is, the lack of evidence, etc., and he mentioned something similar. He wondered if Kyron wandered off and fell somewhere, which could explain everything, really. Not much credence is being given to this theory because the parents are emphatic about him not wandering off, but kids are kids, and as much as kids like their routines, kids are also impulsive and unpredictable.

Having said that, I think it's possible but not probable. IMHO, there was a pedophile who saw an opportunity and took it. Someone upthread mentioned Somer Thompson, but I think about Amber Dubois, Danielle van Dam, Elizabeth Smart and others who disappeared from either unlikely places or in broad daylight with nary a witness. Unfortunately, it does happen.

BTW, I mentioned the Somer case.
When my son was around the same age as Kyron, many years ago now, we went to our fishing shack by the river, for a vacation. I suddenly realised my son was nowhere in sight! I was frantic, in that horrible moment i had my heart drop to my feet. There were fishing shacks all along the river, so madly running around calling out to him, then going to each neighbour! "Yes" they said he had been here, asking for what we had to eat, and what was on T.V.? We did locate him quite a few doors down, sitting in someone's living room, watching their T.V.! He had been from one place to the next doing the same thing. Everybody there knew each other for a long time, and lovely people, so it was all good, Thank God. Yes, little children do wander away, and it happens a lot. Or as you mention a paedophile, is a possibility considering how the science fair that day was different than a normal school day from what i have read.
I really don't want to think that any of this beautiful little boy's caretakers had anything to do with this i guess. I know i have read about TH wanting to get Kaine out of the picture by hiring the said gardener to do something, but nothing came of any of it. Who came forth with that info. anyway? Was it the gardener? Sometimes people affiliated with these cases want to insert themselves, for varying reasons? But even if there is any truth to this, surely i hope she didn't bear any animosity toward this innocent little boy?

 

[cypress]

BTW, I mentioned the Somer case.
When my son was around the same age as Kyron, many years ago now, we went to our fishing shack by the river, for a vacation. I suddenly realised my son was nowhere in sight! I was frantic, in that horrible moment i had my heart drop to my feet. There were fishing shacks all along the river, so madly running around calling out to him, then going to each neighbour! "Yes" they said he had been here, asking for what we had to eat, and what was on T.V.? We did locate him quite a few doors down, sitting in someone's living room, watching their T.V.! He had been from one place to the next doing the same thing. Everybody there knew each other for a long time, and lovely people, so it was all good, Thank God. Yes, little children do wander away, and it happens a lot. Or as you mention a paedophile, is a possibility considering how the science fair that day was different than a normal school day from what i have read.
I really don't want to think that any of this beautiful little boy's caretakers had anything to do with this i guess. I know i have read about TH wanting to get Kaine out of the picture by hiring the said gardener to do something, but nothing came of any of it. Who came forth with that info. anyway? Was it the gardener? Sometimes people affiliated with these cases want to insert themselves, for varying reasons? But even if there is any truth to this, surely i hope she didn't bear any animosity toward this innocent little boy?

I'm glad your little boy was found safe and sound!! =)

The landscaper did not come forward of his own accord. When LE were interviewing people associated with TH, they came across him. It's not clear how they found him, or at least I am not aware of the specifics of how they found him. It's not really known how he told LE about the MFH plot, only that at some point he did. LE initiated an undercover sting with the landscaper and an undercover agent. The landscaper showed up at the Horman home (I don't think Kaine was home at the time) and demanded $10,000 to keep quiet about the MFH plot. Terri called the police on the landscaper and the sting went belly up.

 

[angelswatchoverthem]

I believe that TH is involved in Kyron's disappearance.

First of all, there's the MFH which reportedly took place about 6 months prior to Kyron's disappearance. This tells me that TH's personal moral values (or lack of) finds the murder and death of someone close to her acceptable in order to achieve a personal goal.

Secondly, of all four adults in Kyron's life, Terri is the only one that cannot account for her whereabouts on the morning of June 4th. It's been stated that she left the school at 8:45am, and the next verifiable time is when she checked into the gym at 11:39am. That's almost 3 hours that's unaccounted for.

Thirdly, Terri was involved in sexting a man who was a high school friend of Kaine's. What sort of woman gets involved in an adulterous relationship with a man when their step son is missing? This goes to character.

What I see is a woman who has no moral values. Murder, adultery, and lying are acceptable to her. She was also the last person seen with Kyron, and who cannot explain her whereabouts on the morning that Kyron disappeared. In addition, she's reportedly failed two polygraphs. She's hired a defense attorney and isn't talking.

I think there's good reason to believe that Terri is involved in Kyron's disappearance.

Yes, perhaps you are right, but maybe she was having a bad time in her relationship with her husband. This is usually when a woman will seek out other men. It is hard to say what goes on behind closed doors. This man already had at least one failed relationship, and so did TH. Who knows where people's heads are at! The fact she is doing this while Kyron is missing? Is this a fact or a rumour? A lot of BS comes out in these cases, and hard sometimes to decipher fact from fiction. I don't know where a lot of this stuff comes from and from whom?
Polygraphs are not 100% solid and fool proof either? I have seen where someone was as guilty as sin and passed a polygraph! So i don't know if i would rely on that alone, if this is even true?
I am not defending TH, if she is guilty of bringing any harm to Kyron, then she deserves what she gets, but i wouldn't like to base Kyron's disappearance on rumour and hearsay.

 

[angelswatchoverthem]

I'm glad your little boy was found safe and sound!! =)

The landscaper did not come forward of his own accord. When LE were interviewing people associated with TH, they came across him. It's not clear how they found him, or at least I am not aware of the specifics of how they found him. It's not really known how he told LE about the MFH plot, only that at some point he did. LE initiated an undercover sting with the landscaper and an undercover agent. The landscaper showed up at the Horman home (I don't think Kaine was home at the time) and demanded $10,000 to keep quiet about the MFH plot. Terri called the police on the landscaper and the sting went belly up.

Thankyou, yes, we were immensely relieved too.
Oh i see. Interesting that Terri did call the Police about it if she was guilty of plotting something like that against her husband?

 

[RoughlyCollie]

Oh i see. Interesting that Terri did call the Police about it if she was guilty of plotting something like that against her husband?

She would have done so either way, if she had an ounce of common sense. If guilty, and in the middle of being investigated about Kyron's disappearance, she'd smell a rat coming at her straight from LE. If innocent, same thing -- only for a better reason.

 

[angelswatchoverthem]

I think Terri is not saying anything if she has lawyered up, its probably because her lawyer has told her not to! She is at the heart of this investigation at the moment, so i'm sure she knows that she is a suspect at this time, seeing as she was responsible for Kyron. Then again if she did indeed just drop him at the school and left, isn't the school then responsible for a child once it is there for the school day?

 

[angelswatchoverthem]

She would have done so either way, if she had an ounce of common sense. If guilty, and in the middle of being investigated about Kyron's disappearance, she'd smell a rat coming at her straight from LE. If innocent, same thing -- only for a better reason.

I guess so! If it is true that she wanted her husband dead, then it makes me wonder what was going on that she hated him so much as to want that?
I watch a lot of reality crime shows on T.V., and usually the motive for these kinds of hits are for money and assets. Usually large life insurance policies. Other scenarios are one of the partners has someone else, and rather than go through a messy divorce with child support payments or loss of assets, they will either murder or pay someone else to murder the other partner. So this to me would ask the question, "what did this woman have to gain by getting rid of her husband"? But i guess LE have already figured that one out!?

 

[Leila]

Yes, perhaps you are right, but maybe she was having a bad time in her relationship with her husband. This is usually when a woman will seek out other men. It is hard to say what goes on behind closed doors. This man already had at least one failed relationship, and so did TH. Who knows where people's heads are at! The fact she is doing this while Kyron is missing? Is this a fact or a rumour? A lot of BS comes out in these cases, and hard sometimes to decipher fact from fiction. I don't know where a lot of this stuff comes from and from whom?
Polygraphs are not 100% solid and fool proof either? I have seen where someone was as guilty as sin and passed a polygraph! So i don't know if i would rely on that alone, if this is even true?
I am not defending TH, if she is guilty of bringing any harm to Kyron, then she deserves what she gets, but i wouldn't like to base Kyron's disappearance on rumour and hearsay.

This paragraph is from one of the latest reports:

In court documents, the boy's father Kaine Horman stated police had provided him with "probable cause" to believe that Terri was involved in Kyron's disappearance, plotted to have Kaine killed, and was having a sexual affair.

http://www.kgw.com/news/Reward-missing-Portland--Kyron-Horman-up-to-50000-99349594.html

I think this is more concrete that rumor or hearsay. LE has evidently given Kaine probable cause, and this was evidently stated in the court documents Kaine filed for divorce.

 

[Ada]

I'm glad your little boy was found safe and sound!! =)

The landscaper did not come forward of his own accord. When LE were interviewing people associated with TH, they came across him. It's not clear how they found him, or at least I am not aware of the specifics of how they found him. It's not really known how he told LE about the MFH plot, only that at some point he did. LE initiated an undercover sting with the landscaper and an undercover agent. The landscaper showed up at the Horman home (I don't think Kaine was home at the time) and demanded $10,000 to keep quiet about the MFH plot. Terri called the police on the landscaper and the sting went belly up.

Just bouncing off your post :crazy:

I keep tossing the MFH scenario back and forth. It seems so crazy. Then we have the failed sting where the LS shows up at her house and she calls the police. If she was involved in a MFH plot with this guy, why would she involve the police? That part really doesn't make sense to me.

 

[cypress]

This paragraph is from one of the latest reports:

In court documents, the boy's father Kaine Horman stated police had provided him with "probable cause" to believe that Terri was involved in Kyron's disappearance, plotted to have Kaine killed, and was having a sexual affair.

http://www.kgw.com/news/Reward-missing-Portland--Kyron-Horman-up-to-50000-99349594.html

I think this is more concrete that rumor or hearsay. LE has evidently given Kaine probable cause, and this was evidently stated in the court documents Kaine filed for divorce.

IMHO, probable cause in this case is the landscaper's word for it. However, there may be other mitigating factors concerning the landscaper. That LE conducted a sting tells me they had little evidence other than the landscaper's word for it. Obviously, if LE had text messages, e-mails, voice recordings, voice mails, or a journal with the plan written out, Terri would be in custody. IMHO, the sting was LE"s best and only shot at corroboration. That didn't happen and Terri hasn't been arrested. IMHO, I don't think she's going to be arrested for the MFH plot.

 

[angelswatchoverthem]

This paragraph is from one of the latest reports:

In court documents, the boy's father Kaine Horman stated police had provided him with "probable cause" to believe that Terri was involved in Kyron's disappearance, plotted to have Kaine killed, and was having a sexual affair.

http://www.kgw.com/news/Reward-missing-Portland--Kyron-Horman-up-to-50000-99349594.html

I think this is more concrete that rumor or hearsay. LE has evidently given Kaine probable cause, and this was evidently stated in the court documents Kaine filed for divorce.

Okay, so she was found to have wanted her husband dead, and that was 6 mnths. ago? He is still breathing! So that didn't work, so then she wanted to get rid of Kyron instead? Do you think she was plotting to get rid of all of them out of her life? Looks like she has kind of achieved that i guess in a roundabout way! She doesn't have her husband, nor Kyron and now she has lost her baby daughter too!

 

[wondering1]

Just bouncing off your post :crazy:

I keep tossing the MFH scenario back and forth. It seems so crazy. Then we have the failed sting where the LS shows up at her house and she calls the police. If she was involved in a MFH plot with this guy, why would she involve the police? That part really doesn't make sense to me.

because that's what an innocent person would do? I have personally witnessed a person with criminal charges already pending against them come out in precisely the same aggressive manner. You would think they would keep a low profile, but since they either believe they have done nothing wrong and/or can emulate the behavior of an innocent person quite effectively, that's what they do. Then the people around them are far more likely to say why would s/he do that if s/he were guilty? Sociopaths are difficult that way...Of course, if TH is innocent, that's also what she would do. :::shrug:::

 

[Leila]

Okay, so she was found to have wanted her husband dead, and that was 6 mnths. ago? He is still breathing! So that didn't work, so then she wanted to get rid of Kyron instead? Do you think she was plotting to get rid of all of them out of her life? Looks like she has kind of achieved that i guess in a roundabout way! She doesn't have her husband, nor Kyron and now she has lost her baby daughter too!

It all goes to motive. If it were a case of wanting her husband and his son from a former marriage out of her life, she could have filed for divorce.

Wanting to have her husband murdered makes me think there was a financial motive. With Kaine deceased, Terri would inherit his assets - house, money in the bank, stocks/bonds. But, Kyron was a beneficiary too, so eliminating Kyron would be necessary.

 

[Mamietwo]

Yes, perhaps you are right, but maybe she was having a bad time in her relationship with her husband. This is usually when a woman will seek out other men. It is hard to say what goes on behind closed doors. This man already had at least one failed relationship, and so did TH. Who knows where people's heads are at! The fact she is doing this while Kyron is missing? Is this a fact or a rumour? A lot of BS comes out in these cases, and hard sometimes to decipher fact from fiction. I don't know where a lot of this stuff comes from and from whom?
Polygraphs are not 100% solid and fool proof either? I have seen where someone was as guilty as sin and passed a polygraph! So i don't know if i would rely on that alone, if this is even true?
I am not defending TH, if she is guilty of bringing any harm to Kyron, then she deserves what she gets, but i wouldn't like to base Kyron's disappearance on rumour and hearsay.

BBM - I'm thinking we can consider this fact since this guy has admitted to certain things going on between he and Terri---although not admitting to actually having sex with her AND Kyron is still missing for two months now.

If Terri was having a bad time in her relationship with her husband, it's just really in the poorest taste of her to even consider, not following through on, but consider having any kind of a relationship with another male at this time. She has bigger things to worry about even if she's innocent because the general population does not think she is.

Maybe Terri could even submit to hypnosis, like they had Misty Croslin submit to. Maybe she would be more comfortable with that if she's thinking there should be no reason for her to have "trouble" with the LDT's. Just a thought.

 

[angelswatchoverthem]

It all goes to motive. If it were a case of wanting her husband and his son from a former marriage out of her life, she could have filed for divorce.

Wanting to have her husband murdered makes me think there was a financial motive. With Kaine deceased, Terri would inherit his assets - house, money in the bank, stocks/bonds. But, Kyron was a beneficiary too, so eliminating Kyron would be necessary.

This is what i mentioned in my previous post. Its usually about the money! Just a matter of following the money trail! I can not really think of any other motive. It would be interesting to find out exactly what Kaine's assets were worth? Also who the beneficiaries are? Well i guess if this is what Terri was after she has lost all of it now!
It breaks my heart to see Desiree so sure in her comments to the media, saying she is certain Kyron is still alive and that Terri has him stashed somewhere, when i think LE are not so hopeful. I hope she is right for her and her little boy's sake.
From what i have seen of these awful cases, if a child is murdered it happens quite soon after an abduction, in a lot of abduction/murder cases, but there have been exceptions, and i personally Pray for a miracle.