Discussion of the Transcriptions of the Testimony of Jodi Arias

[KPinMN]

I've noticed often in the past when JSS sustains an objection from Juan that JW gets lost as to how to proceed. It's like she's so shocked that he gets an objection sustained that she doesn't know what to do for a few moments. I think Juan enjoys pouncing on her in those instances.

So sad that at this point JW is shocked when told no. Sounds like she's becoming more and more like her client.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

She's letting everyone know her parenst beat her did drugs (with Sandy smoking pot the day before she was born.) and why would the want to take a chance of Jodi telling that they did drugs when they called and turned her in for growing pot? Whne she said meaner Wilmont asked her to speak up and she said severe. I wonder if that's a hint to use a strong word?

Frankly, I personally think she was an uncontrollable brat growing up. She has no idea what abuse really is and that is why her abuse story is so shallow.

Her parents were probably relieved when she moved out.

In their police interview her dad said she was very abusive to her mother.

Now she tries to make her mother the abusive one. Another example of how she mimics situations and makes them her own by reversing roles from the victimizer to the victim. It also shows how easily she will throw anyone under the bus to save herself and is a trait of a psychopath. She doesn't care how many victims she leaves behind.

I think that is why her parents haven't testified. What they told the police about their abusive daughter would come out by Juan.

IMO

 

[T-4-2]

Lord. "I wish, I wish, I wish I had, I wish I hadn't, I wish I did, I wish I didn't, I wish this, I wish that, I wish none of these terrible things had ever happened to me and I wish Travis hadn't passed away and I wish everybody could just be friends."

If Jodi's wishes were horses... her own personal pile of, shall we say, "manure" would dwarf the horses' pile.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Exactly! If she were truly remorseful she would accept responsibility for her actions instead of trying to blame her victim. Instead, she goes on blaming him even after claiming she wishes she would have done things differently.

IMO, Arias had a perfect opportunity during that secret testimony--or even in open court--to stand before the jury and plead remorse. Cry, sniffle, cough, get all choked up when trying to speak--even if it was all a big fat lie she should have at least tried to act the part, to say precisely what the jury wants to hear. Sure, the jurors would have seen right through her but maybe just one would have bought it. And that's all she needs...one juror. But no! this killer does not even try to act the part of a remorseful killer. She speaks of wishing things had gone differently. But she doesn't usually specify what things and on the rare occasion that she does, it's not the right thing. It could lead jurors to believe she wishes she had done a better job of cover up. I just can't believe what she and her DT are doing to her case in this phase when IMO there are simpler and better ways they could have gone about mitigation.

This is a time for brevity, Jodi--whenever one is not being honest it is usually to their benefit to be brief. I am speaking of your case, not just your testimony. Your mitigation witnesses so far have not done you any favors that I can see. There is such a thing as juror alienation.

To pull that off she would first have to know what true remorseful emotions feel like and would have had to experience it sometime during her life.

She is no more remorseful for slaughtering Travis than she was when she hit her brother in the head with a baseball bat or when she abused pets. I have no doubt she thought her brother had it coming just like she thinks she is entitled to murder Travis because he dared to tell her he no longer wanted her in his life.

Imo, she cant pull it off because she feels nothing for others. She is what she is and when she speaks it becomes obvious.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Why is this a "spoiler? Good Grief... There are no spoilers here..... I take offense to anyone actin like there is some breaking news here. There IS NOTHING NEW HERE!

QUIT MAKING PEOPLE JUST JOINING THINK THERE IS...

SAME OLD stuff....

They made it a spoiler because the length of them are so long.

 

[TartLemon]

So, let's let her out to kill AGAIN because she said it was an oopsie I'm sorry?

 

[KPinMN]

Wow, pg 113 of Oct 30 transcript, JW in response to repeat objection says to JM "I'll get to that when I get to that". The level of disrespect JSS has allowed the DT to get away with toward the PT, more specifically JM, is just astonishing. It really shows the lack of control she has of the DT in the courtroom.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The spoiler is there to save space, Transcript Text Pages are long and would take up most of the thread not meant to announce breaking news.

I fully understand why you did it this way, hindsight.

I appreciate you putting them up.

 

[AZlawyer]

Thank you. Let's say she decides not to retake the stand and continue her testimony, can Juan call her back to cross examine on her testimony thus far. Does he not have that right?

Before this is over they will know because Juan is going to tell them one way or the other whether she testifies further or not.

He has already hinted that her secret testimony was filled with more lies and contradictions.

Questions for AZlawyer please:

If she refuses to be cross examined then I know JSS will strike her testimony right?

But will Juan be able to bring that up during closing?

I have never heard of any case where a person testified on direct and then refused to be cross examined. Has that ever happened that you know of?

TIA

HMMMM...how extensively can Juan comment on it in closing?

OK, there are several ways this can go.

A. Jodi gets back on the stand and continues her testimony, including cross.

B. Jodi refuses to continue her testimony.

1. JSS could have JM cross-examine her (because she's waived her right to remain silent as to the issues on which she's already testified) and tell the jury that if she refuses to respond they may assume she agrees with what JM says. IMO this will not happen because no one has the cojones to suggest it lol.

2. JM could agree to let her testimony stand and "cross-examine" through video snippets from JA's prior testimony. This is possible.

3. JM could agree to let her testimony stand and just comment in closing on whatever she said--e.g., her testimony was inconsistent, no real expression of remorse, no serious mitigation, etc. This is possible.

4. JSS could agree to treat the testimony as allocution and re-instruct the jury that they are permitted to consider that it was not given subject to cross-examination. This is possible.

5. JM could ask for the testimony to be stricken from the record, and indeed, in one of the sidebars released today, that's what he said would have to be done. IMO this is the most likely result if JA refuses to continue, but is a poor strategic choice on the part of JM as he then can't comment on the testimony in closing.

 

[kimi_SFC]

To pull that off she would first have to know what true remorseful emotions feel like and would have had to experience it sometime during her life.

She is no more remorseful for slaughtering Travis than she was when she hit her brother in the head with a baseball bat or when she abused pets. I have no doubt she thought her brother had it coming just like she thinks she is entitled to murder Travis because he dared to tell her he no longer wanted her in his life.

Imo, she cant pull it off because she feels nothing for others. She is what she is and when she speaks it becomes obvious.

Exactly. Textbook psychopath. IMVHO




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[Madeleine74]

Too right. I don't know how early BPD is usually diagnosed, but I doubt it's something that suddenly appears as the result of a stressful year and a half in someone's late 20s.

No idea, but my friend's daughter, who is now 29, was diagnosed about 8 yrs ago with BPD and I tell you, at 3 or 4 years of age her behavior and tantrums and drama were in full force, and far beyond the normal kid level. I remember her nickname used to be "Sarah Bernhardt" because there was always drama and lots of crying. It continued as she grew up. She's never held a steady job, she never finished college, she goes from boyfriend to boyfriend, living together. Sad. It's just not curable.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

So sad that at this point JW is shocked when told no. Sounds like she's becoming more and more like her client.

She acts like a pouty child.

Hmmm so does her client.

 

[Madeleine74]

To quote "The Talking Heads"

Same as it ever was...


Nothing new to see. Everything old is new again. Arias' testilying is another rerun.

 

[Frigga]

Well, I can admit when I am wrong and boy was I ever. I guess I thought the only reason JSS would have allowed the super secret testimony was there was something significant and damaging she was going to reveal.

I read here first today, back and forth between all three forums and then read the transcripts for myself. I do think there are some noticeable discrepancies and I am certain that is why Juan was requesting transcripts, immediately, in one of the sidebars.

She may have actually been lucky that the COA and SP stopped her, I am of the opinion that the trashing of Travis was only going to get worse- and end up making her look REALLY, really bad and would take away any question that she is remorseful. She is not. I can't help but think the jury sees this already.

I wonder if the released 'bad check' juror will chime in on her feelings about this.

Thanks everyone for posting the tweets and transcripts today. SMH- I was really wrong.

 

[bsk]

OK, there are several ways this can go.

A. Jodi gets back on the stand and continues her testimony, including cross.

B. Jodi refuses to continue her testimony.

1. JSS could have JM cross-examine her (because she's waived her right to remain silent as to the issues on which she's already testified) and tell the jury that if she refuses to respond they may assume she agrees with what JM says. IMO this will not happen because no one has the cojones to suggest it lol.

2. JM could agree to let her testimony stand and "cross-examine" through video snippets from JA's prior testimony. This is possible.

3. JM could agree to let her testimony stand and just comment in closing on whatever she said--e.g., her testimony was inconsistent, no real expression of remorse, no serious mitigation, etc. This is possible.

4. JSS could agree to treat the testimony as allocution and re-instruct the jury that they are permitted to consider that it was not given subject to cross-examination. This is possible.

5. JM could ask for the testimony to be stricken from the record, and indeed, in one of the sidebars released today, that's what he said would have to be done. IMO this is the most likely result if JA refuses to continue, but is a poor strategic choice on the part of JM as he then can't comment on the testimony in closing.

Thanks for the detailed insight. Why would Juan ever choose B5 if he had a choice? The bell has been rung and she can just say a more polished version of it in allocution again anyway. I would love B1, but like you say it ain't gonna happen. I would think Juan would prefer B2 to B3 - He can get dedicated time separate from closing to rip into it, then he could still do some of it again at closing right. If JSS were to opt for B4, could she restrict allocution to not mentioning anything that happened before whatever time in her life she stopped her testimony? That would lead to some yelling and motions and appeals from the DT wouldn't it?

 

[hindsight2020]

The transcripts were posted in text form for the benefit of those that could not open PDF files. I have since deleted them so as to not mislead anyone. Thanks.

 

[grammieto5]

Wait, what happened to the three posts that were here a minute ago, I went to get cookies and milk and came back to read them, and now there gone, am I on the wrong thread???? I can't remember who posted them, I think it was hindsight2020, but I'm not sure :/ Does anyone know what I'm talking about???????

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The transcripts were posted in text form for the benefit of those that could not open PDF files. I have since deleted them so as to not mislead anyone. Thanks.

I really wish you hadn't done that, hindsight.

You are right, some posters aren't able to open the PDF files.

I only saw one complaining. I think all the others are as appreciative as I am that you made them into text form.

While I can open my PDF file...I am aware that others cant.

Now I am sad.

 

[KPinMN]

No idea, but my friend's daughter, who is now 29, was diagnosed about 8 yrs ago with BPD and I tell you, at 3 or 4 years of age her behavior and tantrums and drama were in full force, and far beyond the normal kid level. I remember her nickname used to be "Sarah Bernhardt" because there was always drama and lots of crying. It continued as she grew up. She's never held a steady job, she never finished college, she goes from boyfriend to boyfriend, living together. Sad. It's just not curable.

My mom has BPD and my aunts have all told she's been mean and very selfish as far back as they can remember. Long, not so happy story short, they confirmed this to me when I finally decided to stop making excuses for her after 30 years of doing so. I was shocked at how nasty she became toward me when I quit allowing her to insert her BS into my life. I think Travis probably found out the same way I did, with sadly deadly consequences, how nasty some BPD people can turn when you stop playing along with their BS. So sad, and it's really sad how well BPD people can turn it around into how they're the victim...apparently even after brutally murdering you in your own home, much less what most of feel to be the safety of our bedroom.

 

[believe09]

I appreciate the transcripts being posted. It is fascinating to "watch" this judge in action. I thought I had seen my fair share, but oh my. No way she will get re elected. The DT just made their money on getting her sob story on record as if it was something new and at the same time preventing her from being crossed by Martinez. At least that is my view and I am strictly clearly a layperson. I do think that this was the last of the tricks they had however. jmo.