Discussion Thread #61 ~ the appeal~

[Estelle]

More from that article:

Now a lawyer for the former Paralympic champion says he wants to work with disadvantaged youngsters in an attempt to get his life back on track. The athlete's solicitor, Rohan Kruger, said: 'He is managing in jail. He's isolated but hanging in there and praying to keep up his strength. 'He is keen to become involved in assisting children in whatever opportunity comes up.' He said that ideally his client would like to guide or mentor youths, adding that Pistorius is struggling to adjust to life in jail. He said he has still not come to terms with 'what has happened to him.' Mr Kruger said once Pistorius is out of jail he will be on parole for 10 months and will undergo an anger management course. He said the Pistorius is 'very lonely' and spends most of his time reading the bible and praying in his cell.

Mr Kruger added that his client has rejected a string of film and book deals, even though he has no money left - and despite the fact his legal team have not been paid in the last two months. The lawyer claimed the case has cost the athlete at least two million rand - £108,000 - so far. Mr Kruger told the Sunday Mirror: 'He sold his brand new Audi, all his art, his watches, even his guns I believe.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ildren-leave-prison-August.html#ixzz3ZjFFN6Lq

Who is Rohan Kruger? Kruger is a member of Roux' legal team. He is a Candidate Attorney at Ramsay Webber.

So OP spends most of his time trying to give the impression that he is religious. But he has still not come to terms with it as he is in denial and thinks he did nothing wrong.

Has Pistorius sold all his assets in property now? How much did he say he was worth at the bail hearing? It is about time he paid for his legal expenses. He said at the bail hearing his properties have a combined value of approximately R1,6 million. Legal costs R$2m.

 

[AJ_DS]

More from that article:

Now a lawyer for the former Paralympic champion says he wants to work with disadvantaged youngsters in an attempt to get his life back on track. The athlete's solicitor, Rohan Kruger, said: 'He is managing in jail. He's isolated but hanging in there and praying to keep up his strength. 'He is keen to become involved in assisting children in whatever opportunity comes up.' He said that ideally his client would like to guide or mentor youths, adding that Pistorius is struggling to adjust to life in jail. He said he has still not come to terms with 'what has happened to him.' Mr Kruger said once Pistorius is out of jail he will be on parole for 10 months and will undergo an anger management course. He said the Pistorius is 'very lonely' and spends most of his time reading the bible and praying in his cell.

Mr Kruger added that his client has rejected a string of film and book deals, even though he has no money left - and despite the fact his legal team have not been paid in the last two months. The lawyer claimed the case has cost the athlete at least two million rand - £108,000 - so far. Mr Kruger told the Sunday Mirror: 'He sold his brand new Audi, all his art, his watches, even his guns I believe.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ildren-leave-prison-August.html#ixzz3ZjFFN6Lq

Who is Rohan Kruger? Kruger is a member of Roux' legal team. He is a Candidate Attorney at Ramsay Webber.

So OP spends most of his time trying to give the impression that he is religious. But he has still not come to terms with it as he is in denial and thinks he did nothing wrong.

Has Pistorius sold all his assets in property now? How much did he say he was worth at the bail hearing? It is about time he paid for his legal expenses. He said at the bail hearing his properties have a combined value of approximately R1,6 million. Legal costs R$2m.

"assisting children in whatever opportunity comes up" : Translation... OP has no personal thoughts as per how he could be of service... he's up for anything as long as it shortens his incarceration.

"he has still not come to terms with 'what has happened to him.'" : Translation... OP still does not have a clue about the meaning of taking responsibility for his actions... it's still only about what happened to him, his suffering, his injustice, etc...

"will undergo an anger management course" : WTF... Why would OP require an anger management course ???... I don't recall OP ever admitting he had an anger problem... Shooting and killing Reeva had nothing to do with anger, it was allegedly a tragic mistaken identity situation aggravated by anxiousness...

Any adult entertaining the idea of having OP mentor their child should be deemed unfit to be a parent... IMO

 

[Deleted member 102539]

"An accident waiting to happen" - the book from Sam's mum (very well written!):

If you read about OP, you are convinced: this man is mentally disturbed and there would have to happen a hugh miracle, if he were still treatable, IMO. Some months of jail time can not have helped to make him a mentally healthy man, that's impossible. If he is to be released, he will be as a ticking time bomb as before and a danger to himself and others, IMO. OP denies any of his problems to himself and others and I think, nobody would be able to help him.

Carl had been a scallywag also at some time of his life and then changed to become religious. That did not really help, but he at least believes it. Maybe OP believes it too because of his brother's history.

 

[JudgeJudi]

“According to those on the inside he spends most of his time reading the Bible – go figure – in order to find salvation. … and believes that he could be a good moral influence on children after serving one year in jail for murder”. What normal, well-adjusted parents would want a convicted killer influencing or mentoring their child in any way, especially a killer who can’t come to terms with why he’s serving time in prison for killing someone when to him it was just “a mistake”.

http://www.thesouthafrican.com/osca...n-august-wants-to-mentor-children-if-he-does/

OP “wants parole terms which will allow him to work with disadvantaged children once he is out”. So he “wants parole terms …” What he “wants” illustrates yet again that he still thinks he’s special. Working with disadvantaged children is just more talk. After being sentenced he said that he hoped to contribute while in prison by teaching people how to read or start a gym or running club. Has any of this come to fruition? Of course not.

His solicitor, Rohan Kruger, said, he’s “… praying to keep up his strength”. What about praying for forgiveness? It always was and still is what God will do for him.

“Mr Kruger added that his client has rejected a string of film and book deals”. I’d like to believe that South African law prohibits convicted criminals, let alone murderers, from benefiting financially from their crime.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ildren-leave-prison-August.html#ixzz3ZjBSONMG

Kruger told the Sunday Times that Pistorius was "destroyed" and is still “in bits and in shock” about Steenkamp’s death. He said in "no way has [Pistorius] come to terms with what has happened to him”, and he never will because as Roux said, Oscar became the victim and has lost everything. Sadly, Reeva lost her life and her family lost a precious child.

Seriously, how can Kruger not be aware, as we are, that he was so destroyed that he was out dining with friends, drinking, socialising with criminals, gate-crashed a private party and trying to pick up girls not long after Reeva’s death, and then got another girlfriend before his trial even started. Obviously he can’t come to terms with what’s happened to him because he won’t take responsibility for what he’s done and can’t accept that his life will never be the same.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Pistorius-could-be-a-free-man-as-soon-as-August-20150511

David Dadic @DavidDadic • 3h 3 hours ago
Today would be a good day to get the Pistorius appeal date in my opinion.

Oscar Wilde said, "It's not whether I did it or not that's important, but whether people believed I did it" and no doubt this is OP's thinking too.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

http://www.vcpost.com/articles/6346...asons-convicted-murder-steenkamp-s-mother.htm

Oscar Pistorius Updates: Reasons he will be convicted of murder; Steenkamp’s mother helps women suffering from domestic violence



Meanwhile, June Steenkamp, the mother of Pistorius' ex-girlfriend, gave advice for those women who are experiencing domestic violence. She believes that one should get help or get out in order to save themselves. Her daughter dated Pistorius for three months and no one expected that it will end tragically. She believed that people who hurt their partners would like to control them. And because Pistorius couldn't control Steenkamp, the abuse started.
Now that the Oscar Pistorius case is already under the higher court, do you think the verdict will be different? If so, then we should expect updates on the athlete's life inside the jail far more different from what we reported in the past few weeks. If you can remember, he was believed to be given perks and additional benefits behind bars. According to jail guards, he was a role model to other inmates. That may change in the upcoming months.

 

[Cherwell]

A famous quote from Game Of Thrones seems apposite here.

 

[soozieqtips]

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Mr Kruger said once Pistorius is out of jail he will be on parole for 10 months and will undergo an anger management course. He said the Pistorius is 'very lonely' and spends most of his time reading the bible and praying in his cell.

BIB - you'd think it would be compulsory for him to take an anger management course while he's still in jail festering about how unlucky he's been! Most of the the time reading the bible and praying in his cell?? Is that in between playing football with his new pal?

And seriously. He "wants" to mentor children... when he has an uncontrollable temper that he won't bother addressing till he's out of jail? He's still the same arrogant and delusional martyr he ever was. Most parents would not want this loose canon around their children. I know I wouldn't.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

More from that article:

Now a lawyer for the former Paralympic champion says he wants to work with disadvantaged youngsters in an attempt to get his life back on track. The athlete's solicitor, Rohan Kruger, said: 'He is managing in jail. He's isolated but hanging in there and praying to keep up his strength. 'He is keen to become involved in assisting children in whatever opportunity comes up.' He said that ideally his client would like to guide or mentor youths, adding that Pistorius is struggling to adjust to life in jail. He said he has still not come to terms with 'what has happened to him.' Mr Kruger said once Pistorius is out of jail he will be on parole for 10 months and will undergo an anger management course. He said the Pistorius is 'very lonely' and spends most of his time reading the bible and praying in his cell.

Mr Kruger added that his client has rejected a string of film and book deals, even though he has no money left - and despite the fact his legal team have not been paid in the last two months. The lawyer claimed the case has cost the athlete at least two million rand - £108,000 - so far. Mr Kruger told the Sunday Mirror: 'He sold his brand new Audi, all his art, his watches, even his guns I believe.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ildren-leave-prison-August.html#ixzz3ZjFFN6Lq

Who is Rohan Kruger? Kruger is a member of Roux' legal team. He is a Candidate Attorney at Ramsay Webber.

So OP spends most of his time trying to give the impression that he is religious. But he has still not come to terms with it as he is in denial and thinks he did nothing wrong.

Has Pistorius sold all his assets in property now? How much did he say he was worth at the bail hearing? It is about time he paid for his legal expenses. He said at the bail hearing his properties have a combined value of approximately R1,6 million. Legal costs R$2m.

This anger management course is contrary to the judgment, I think. I thought, OP had nothing of possible anger problems?? There really had been a bad boy/burglar in his toilet, at least he had heard exactly (wooden scraping ...) and he had to protect first himself and then Reeva too??

 

[zwiebel]

Just dropping in to say husband in the Port Elizabeth, Jayde Panayiotou murder case this morning used the 'Oscar Pistorius got bail so I should' argument.

Decision not made yet.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...pril-2015-**ARRESTS**&p=11770711#post11770711

 

[AJ_DS]

This anger management course is contrary to the judgment, I think. I thought, OP had nothing of possible anger problems?? There really had been a bad boy/burglar in his toilet, at least he had heard exactly (wooden scraping ...) and he had to protect first himself and then Reeva too??

I agree... the anger management issue is quite perplexing.

Unless I'm mistaken,

1. Only 1 witness testified directly about OP's anger : Sam Taylor... and the subject was not explored thoroughly, it was only done in passing.

2. OP went into psy-evaluation and the report does not mention anger problems.

3. The verdict is based on anxiety/fear not anger

... so where does the anger issue and the statement about OP undergoing anger management therapy comes from ????

Actually, it is Prosecution who indirectly alleged OP's anger on the night of Reeva's death.

This is like a driver responsible for an accident that killed someone testifying he was not intoxicated... evidence is produced he was not intoxicated... verdict says he was not intoxicated... BUT after the Trial, the Defence makes a public statement their client will undergo treatment with Alcoholics Anonymous !!!!

 

[Colin de France]

"Mr Kruger said once Pistorius is out of jail he will be on parole for 10 months and will undergo an anger management course"....big mistake...anger had nothing to do whatsoever in the shooting according to the defense's version, they've just gone and put their foot right in it....

 

[JudgeJudi]

For those wanting to follow the Christopher Panayiotou bail hearing, it will continue tomorrow. Here's the thread.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ort-Elizabeth-21-April-2015-**ARRESTS**/page4

 

[Fuskier]

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/re...africans-gripped/story-fnq2o7dd-1227361140396

Murder of Jayde Panayiotou has South Africans gripped
MAY 20, 2015

Soon after the funeral, the businessman was himself accused of hiring men to kidnap and kill his wife. The sensational murder case has some South Africans, including the suspect, comparing it to the murder trial of Olympian Oscar Pistorius for killing his girlfriend and of Briton Shrien Dewani, who was acquitted of the murder of his wife during their honeymoon...

"It also draws attention to the country’s high rate of violent crime, whether by men against their spouses or girlfriends or by criminals who don’t know their victims".

 

[JudgeJudi]

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/re...africans-gripped/story-fnq2o7dd-1227361140396

Murder of Jayde Panayiotou has South Africans gripped
MAY 20, 2015

Soon after the funeral, the businessman was himself accused of hiring men to kidnap and kill his wife. The sensational murder case has some South Africans, including the suspect, comparing it to the murder trial of Olympian Oscar Pistorius for killing his girlfriend and of Briton Shrien Dewani, who was acquitted of the murder of his wife during their honeymoon...

"It also draws attention to the country’s high rate of violent crime, whether by men against their spouses or girlfriends or by criminals who don’t know their victims".

This is a very interesting case which is somewhere between OP and Dewani. It's very high-profile in SA with between 4,000 and 5,000 people taking to the streets when Jayde's body was found to demonstrate against violence to women. I've outlined the whole story to date on the relevant thread (mentioned above) for anyone who's interested. The bail hearing continues in one hour ... 9.00am SA time.

 

[Pisto_lius]

Sars ‘deeply shocked’ by NPA spying allegations

The affidavits by two former Sars officials apparently implicate Ivan Pillay and others in spying on the NPA.

[....]

The newspaper is reporting that the affidavits from former officials Johan de Waal and Helgard Lombard have singled out Gerrie Nel and Andrew Leask as being responsible for procuring bugging equipment.

They're accused of spending R900,000 for this.

http://ewn.co.za/2015/05/18/Sars-deeply-shocked-by-NPA-spying-allegations

More information:

Hawks investigating Sars spy allegations
http://m.news24.com/news24/SouthAfrica/News/Hawks-investigating-Sars-spy-allegations-20150519

Calls for Gerrie Nel’s suspension following SARS spies’ confessions
http://www.sabreakingnews.co.za/201...-suspension-following-sars-spies-confessions/


First the bomb scare at Nels house, now these allegations....

For me it seems like there is someone who wants to eliminate Gerrie Nel....

Could both be related to the upcoming OP appeal?

 

[Fuskier]

More information:

Hawks investigating Sars spy allegations
http://m.news24.com/news24/SouthAfrica/News/Hawks-investigating-Sars-spy-allegations-20150519

Calls for Gerrie Nel’s suspension following SARS spies’ confessions
http://www.sabreakingnews.co.za/201...-suspension-following-sars-spies-confessions/


First the bomb scare at Nels house, now these allegations....

For me it seems like there is someone who wants to eliminate Gerrie Nel....

Could both be related to the upcoming OP appeal?

Most likely. Corruption is rife.

 

[Estelle]

Wait until you read this....and the comments below it.

With the recent media speculation about Oscar Pistorius’ forthcoming parole application, one might be forgiven for surmising that certain biased individuals, and sections of the media, are trying to unjustly influence proceedings

http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/Oscar-Pistorius-Media-Bias-or-Freedom-of-Expression-20150518

 

[AJ_DS]

Wait until you read this....and the comments below it.

With the recent media speculation about Oscar Pistorius’ forthcoming parole application, one might be forgiven for surmising that certain biased individuals, and sections of the media, are trying to unjustly influence proceedings

http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/Oscar-Pistorius-Media-Bias-or-Freedom-of-Expression-20150518

If you shoot and kill an innocent person you will be portrayed as a vilain by the media because it reflects the viewpoint of the vast majority of people... this is to be expected as the media is governed by viewership which in turn generates advertising revenue.

Is this a balanced model ?... probably not.

... but is Justice objectively "blind" ?

... is a rich and influential accused afforded the same Defence as a poor and unknown accused ?... also NO.

Stating that every pro-OP article is a PR piece paid for by the Pistorius family is far less ludicrous than stating that the Pistorius family never commissioned PR pieces for OP's benefit.

Reading this article I noticed Heather Malcherczyk referred to OP as a "global icon" not once, not twice, but 4 times !!!

To be fair, most people don't care and don't follow paralympians or Paralympic events... and most people outside of the Paralympic circuit and/or outside of South Africa never heard of Oscar Pistorius or maybe heard of him in passing during a 60-second variety piece at the end of the evening news. Oscar Pistorius became notorious world-wide when he killed and was charged with Reeva's murder... therefore I believe referring to OP as a global icon is a telltale sign of Heather's bias.

As for Carol Saayman who commented extensively to protect OP's image... she "forgot" that Masipa's verdict was highly criticized by South African Law professionals and the layman alike, was challenged by the State Prosecution and that the application to scrutinize it in the Appellate Courts was granted and received... a truly objective individual would certainly not categorically and repeatedly state at this point that Reeva's death was an accident.

 

[geevee]

Has a date been set for the appeal to be heard?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

PR piece paid for by the Pistorius family??


http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/The-Oscar-Pistorius-Case-A-Practice-of-Questionable-Ethics-20150522

The Oscar Pistorius Case. A Practice of Questionable Ethics.

While I have no idea of the merits of the call for his suspension or the validity of the allegations against him, what does seem clear is that he was co-responsible for the murder charges against Schultz being dropped. What is also of interest is the assertions Mark Bachelor made, with regard to himself and Schultz ‘helping the state with witnesses’, a rather unnerving prospect considering Schultz is a self confessed murderer. What I do feel certain of however, is that Nel does not seem to be a person who likes losing. It would seem that this approach is one that was practiced during his handling of the Oscar Pistorius case, to the extent that he failed to call key witnesses, supported police practice which involved a failure to investigate Oscar’s account and is most certainly evident in his appeal of the case. It is also worth noting that Nel called for a 15 year sentence for possession of ammunition, despite failing to produce any statements, evidence with regard to this charge. He failed to obtain a statement from the owner of the ammunition then accordingly blamed Oscar for this omission.
Nel is appealing the verdict asking the SCA to consider whether the Court - the Judge and her two assessors correctly conceived and applied the legal principles pertaining to circumstantial evidence. The legal principle is relatively simply in this respect, the inference relied upon must be to the exclusion of other inferences. What this means is that the inference that the State wants to be accepted must be stronger, more probable, than other inferences that could be applied. It is not necessary to ensure that every aspect of circumstantial evidence must be proved beyond reasonable doubt but the inferences as a whole should be as such that alternative inferences are by far the least probable and therefore rejected by the Court.
However the circumstantial evidence the State wants to be considered by the SCA is by far the least probable either taking each individual aspects of it or considering it as a whole. It suggests a scenario where Oscar and Reeva ate at about 1.00am while arguing, this argument ...................

Very interesting!