Wrong again.... I said it was more likely the media got creative. But accepted as a possibility that someone within the police may have leaked information/false information for a financial incentive.
......if we are to spend time discussing every possibility we're going to be here for a long time.....the idea that the police were possibly corrupt i think it's you and Turner that's being creative not the media.....
Why? You've just agreed it's possible. Do you believe that in all likelihood none of the information/disinformation around the case, including crime scene photos, was leaked to the media via a member of the police force?
Also- didn't you suggest in an earlier post that the police may have held things back? How is that not corrupt, if their role is to investigate and report the truth?
I think the content of your post has just changed slightly?
.....if you want to discuss a post i made then show me otherwise i may think that you're out to cause trouble and as another poster mentioned in your regard "splitting hairs"....if you're saying that the police held things back then be clear about it...if you're saying the police were possibly corrupt, then explain ......i know what i said which was that the police didn't do a good job....
....it's always been accepted that the police didn't release all the information they had, to a degree i find that normal, the problem with that is we don't know just how far they went with their investigation and what was investigated, that's got nothing to do with your possible police corruption.........i think i've awnsered all of your worthwhile questions relative to comments i've made.....No... you said the police may have been holding things back:
Originally Posted by Colin de France
......that's just one part of the affair, it's not that, it's the whole investigation, there was no depth to it, the police didn't dig hard enough, nothing was pushed to it's limit......that's the feeling i get....maybe the police are holding things back, i don't know.......the trial only made things worse....
What did you mean? I have been very clear that I think it is a possibility that someone within the police may have leaked info/false info for money. It seems like whenever I ask a question you don't like/feel like answering you make a slightly barbed comment about me rather than what I have posted...
....it's always been accepted that the police didn't release all the information they had, to a degree i find that normal, the problem with that is we don't know just how far they went with their investigation and what was investigated, that's got nothing to do with your possible police corruption.........i think i've awnsered all of your worthwhile questions relative to comments i've made.....
The police wouldn't hold back on information that would forward the DD case though, would they?
......that's not what i was referring to, i had more in mind the general investigative framework and not a specific direction........i think the DD part came from you...
But didn't the chief of police person say they were putting their best people on the case? (Possibly after removing Botha)
......that's not what i was referring to, i had more in mind the general investigative framework and not a specific direction........i think the DD part came from you...
Why add the DD bit after posting? So you think there was just a more general 'holding back' /failure to investigate thoroughly than holding back of specific information? Stemming from what... complacency? Laziness? Lack of resources?
...if we are going to go into all the faults made by the police i think it's going to be long, to cut it short, the police screwed it up right from the start by allowing all and sundry to go waltzing around a potential murder area, to the point where handbags, telephones and watches go missing and we don't know who was there and who might have tampered with what........but you should know all that anyway ......and that was before we even get to the investigation ...
Even Col. Van Rensberg was concerned about police corruption:
He said he decided to remove the lavatory door the day after the shooting because it was our most valuable evidence and journalists were already offering up to £3,000 for pictures.
From www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...-Police-stole-watches-from-athletes-home.html
'The door was put in a large body bag and transported to the local police station. I know people will ask, Col van Rensburg said, why he kept the door in his own office rather than the evidence lock-up.
He explained that he could not trust his colleagues not to tamper with it, and his office only had one key.'
No risk of corruption?
:gasp:
What's the time Mr Rensburg?
Erm... I'll check my watch (es)!!!
How do you know the police took the watch, which I assume is your insinuation, and not Carice Stander or Aimee Pistorius or one of the other family members? I would not put anything past smirking Uncle Arnold for starters. You guys always ask for proof before considering anything, so where is your proof on this?
I have no proof- it was a tongue in cheek response to Trotterly's tongue in cheek post. That said, Van Rensberg certainly appeared to believe it had been taken by a police officer. ...
...now you're being silly...i was referring to what can be entered into the court i thought i had made myself clear.....
How did Burger "alter" her evidence to aid the state? Does adding more descriptive detail (i.e. describing the woman's screams as "blood-curdling") during testimony qualify as altering evidence (I presume you refer to her police statement)?
Shall we talk about OP's evidence and how it differed from his bail application?
What Burger absolutely believed in was what she clearly heard with her own two ears which was substantiated by what her husband also heard that night.
Re: Estelle van der Mewe-- I just listened to her testimony again. She said she was awakened around 1:56 a.m. by sounds of a couple arguing which continued for about an hour. Although she could not distinguish what they were saying or even what language they were speaking, she says she heard the irritating sounds of a woman's voice. Around 3:00 she was disturbed again by the sound of four gunshots. Her husband got up to investigate and confirmed those were gunshots they heard. He got up and looked out their window but could not see anything and went back to bed. Then they began to hear a commotion outside and her husband called security. She says it was shortly after that that they heard someone crying out loud and her husband told her it was Oscar crying. She said it sounded like a woman crying to her. So, while some witnesses testified Oscar's crying can sound like a woman crying, it is important to place this event correctly in the timeline.
I am not sure if this is the latest version of Mr. Fossil's timeline spreadsheet, but it's extremely helpful. I can't help but wonder why the state never produced any kind of similar timeline analysis:
https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx...=file,xlsx&app=Excel&authkey=!AP15bEJh--E96sg
