Discussions on Formal Sentencing Hearing - Jodi Arias #3

[RickshawFan]

It appears that none of the murderers currently housed in Perryville have the level of pure manipulation that JA has. None of them had a 3 million dollar, 7 year trial due to their own psychopathy. She's in a class all her own.

MOO

IIRC Sheriff Joe has already contacted Perryville and discussed JA's manipulativeness with them, and they are ready and waiting for her. Bring it on!

 

[mydirtysecret]

Oh my!!!! What a way to end a career with DOC.



http://archive.azcentral.com/commun...ex-inmate-state-prison-van-goodyear-abrk.html

Read About this on the prisoner forums. He was married and wife was pregnant. I guess this girls Cellie fiancee posts to the v forums and was asking about it. Another girl was forgotten In the rec cages for 4 hours and died.. Just saying

Eta. I thought it was felony rape in most states for a prison guard to have sexual contact with a prisoner because prisoners CANNOT consent due to the power/control issues in that scenario. Maybe He wasn't charged because it was oral? Shameful he should've been

 

[little ole me]

Unless you consider prisoners people. Discuss.

there is one person who JA may yet hurt and that is MDLR, if she does not keep JA happy, JA may reveal everything that MDLR has done for her!!

 

[Kamille]

It's true none of those other murderers had multiple defense attorneys and then ended up with Nurmi & Wilmott at those high $$ hourly fees, who were determined to do anything they possibly could to defend their client to the ends of the earth, no matter what, and no matter how aggressive or slimy they needed to get. DP cases do cost more to legislate. Regardless of how psychopathic the killer was (is), her defense team simply would not give up and they were fine with creating delay after delay for years. None of those other murderers had JSS as their judge either. Perfect Storm.

Most of the early delays were because of JA herself. How many stories, attorneys, mitigation specialists, psychologists and PI's did she go through, including representing herself twice to get her hands on evidence and to create some more? The actual trial, including both sentencing phases, was only 10 months out of that 7 years. And I do agree that about 5 months of that was caused by the attorneys she finally got stuck with when her manipulations were finally shut down. Or should I say, the attorneys that got stuck with her. I think there was a bit of payback in their approach?

She's the queen of manipulation. And she'll continue to wreak havoc from within the prison IMO. I wouldn't be surprised if she tries to manipulate herself right out of there by accusing staff of all kinds of human rights violations. It's just what she does. Hopefully they are prepared for it.

MOO

 

[franquerolane]

Oh my!!!! What a way to end a career with DOC.



http://archive.azcentral.com/commun...ex-inmate-state-prison-van-goodyear-abrk.html

School busses have cameras, don't prison busses?

 

[ZsaZsa]

Most of the early delays were because of JA herself. How many stories, attorneys, mitigation specialists, psychologists and PI's did she go through, including representing herself twice to get her hands on evidence and to create some more? The actual trial, including both sentencing phases, was only 10 months out of that 7 years. And I do agree that about 5 months of that was caused by the attorneys she finally got stuck with when her manipulations were finally shut down. Or should I say, the attorneys that got stuck with her. I think there was a bit of payback in their approach?

She's the queen of manipulation. And she'll continue to wreak havoc from within the prison IMO. I wouldn't be surprised if she tries to manipulate herself right out of there by accusing staff of all kinds of human rights violations. It's just what she does. Hopefully they are prepared for it.

MOO

Oh yeah! First on her sh** list, Nurmi and Willmott .....

 

[ZsaZsa]

Most of the early delays were because of JA herself. How many stories, attorneys, mitigation specialists, psychologists and PI's did she go through, including representing herself twice to get her hands on evidence and to create some more? The actual trial, including both sentencing phases, was only 10 months out of that 7 years. And I do agree that about 5 months of that was caused by the attorneys she finally got stuck with when her manipulations were finally shut down. Or should I say, the attorneys that got stuck with her. I think there was a bit of payback in their approach?

She's the queen of manipulation. And she'll continue to wreak havoc from within the prison IMO. I wouldn't be surprised if she tries to manipulate herself right out of there by accusing staff of all kinds of human rights violations. It's just what she does. Hopefully they are prepared for it.

MOO

Oh yeah! First on her sh** list, Nurmi and Willmott .....

 

[Kamille]

Oh my!!!! What a way to end a career with DOC.



http://archive.azcentral.com/commun...ex-inmate-state-prison-van-goodyear-abrk.html

They better get some cameras in those vans. We all know JA's going to be involved in something like this within the first year. Whether it's true or she lies about it, someone's career will end because of her as well.

MOO

 

[sammie]

Can you provide a link to that screen shot

Done, sorry about that!

 

[Madeleine74]

Most of the early delays were because of JA herself. How many stories, attorneys, mitigation specialists, psychologists and PI's did she go through, including representing herself twice to get her hands on evidence and to create some more? The actual trial, including both sentencing phases, was only 10 months out of that 7 years. And I do agree that about 5 months of that was caused by the attorneys she finally got stuck with when her manipulations were finally shut down. Or should I say, the attorneys that got stuck with her. I think there was a bit of payback in their approach?

She's the queen of manipulation. And she'll continue to wreak havoc from within the prison IMO. I wouldn't be surprised if she tries to manipulate herself right out of there by accusing staff of all kinds of human rights violations. It's just what she does. Hopefully they are prepared for it.

Perryville claims they are well-prepared for her. In fact that Troy Hayden segment where he shows her cell includes an interview with someone (warden maybe?) who said they know about Arias and are prepared for her and her shenanigans (I'm paraphrasing). He said they've already briefed the guards as well.

 

[casesensitive]

Yep, it's a hollow "W" on paper only (oh, excuse me, per Nurmi himself - with MDLR smiling in the background - it was a "V" for Victory)

Ugh.

Just like Jose Baez, stooped low, but got the "W" in a high profile case. Makes me sick.

I really think that KN meant to publicly say "verdict" but he came out with "victory". It was like a Freudian slip. The word "victory" did not fit into his prepared statement about this all being a tragedy etc. That might be why MDLR was smiling in the background when she heard this, and JW had a smile when she reluctantly refused any comment "at this time". I think Nurmi blew his prepared statement by using the word "victory" and then took off in a flash, leaving them standing there stifling giggles. JMO

 

[jojo87]

Read About this on the prisoner forums. He was married and wife was pregnant. I guess this girls Cellie fiancee posts to the v forums and was asking about it. Another girl was forgotten In the rec cages for 4 hours and died.. Just saying

Eta. I thought it was felony rape in most states for a prison guard to have sexual contact with a prisoner because prisoners CANNOT consent due to the power/control issues in that scenario. Maybe He wasn't charged because it was oral? Shameful he should've been

He took a plea deal. It is shameful. Some correction officers will exchange drugs or cell phones or other contraband in return for erm favours. A cellphone in prison can sell for as much as $1000 and then it's used by the whole pod and the owner charges for its use as a hustle.
http://www.azfamily.com/news/Former...sex-with-inmate-gets-probation-274120671.html

 

[ZsaZsa]

Yes, JA's mother made a post the evening before the verdict to the effect - I'm asking everyone to pray tonight like they've never prayed before. It only takes one juror to prevent the death penalty. We got this!

 

[Madeleine74]

Anyone think Angela Simpson, a fellow murderer at Perryville, is at risk from Arias?

 

[turaj]

One main difference, however, is that Baez's client was acquitted. Arias is a convicted murderer. Just because one hold-out or rogue juror in the second sentencing phase decided not to go with the other 11 and vote for the DP doesn't equate anywhere near a win or victory for this defense team.

MOO

People seem to be responding here as if she was acquitted and walked free. I think many of us as well as the media commentators fully expected not to get 12 jurors for dp...that is one tough order for a woman even JA and you are likely to have at least one victim of some kind of abuse on the jury. Frankly this is the outcome most anticipated ever since first trial. I actually thought it might be something like last time 8-4 or 9-3 in favor of dp. Yep the juror situation is a hot topic but at the end of the day the result is the same and in fact with the 11-1 i am even more confident that she will get natural life and in a few months she is history...I actually think she was hoping for the dp and all the notoriety that comes with it...it is actually a more glamorous prospect that what she is getting.

 

[Kamille]

He took a plea deal. It is shameful. Some correction officers will exchange drugs or cell phones or other contraband in return for erm favours. A cellphone in prison can sell for as much as $1000 and then it's used by the whole pod and the owner charges for its use as a hustle.
http://www.azfamily.com/news/Former...sex-with-inmate-gets-probation-274120671.html

Probation...ridiculous. There should be a much tougher penalty for something like this as a deterrent. Sex offender status? There has to be something that would make this behavior less appealing. I'll bet it goes on all the time. Only a small fraction are ever caught.

MOO

 

[jojo87]

Anyone think Angela Simpson, a fellow murderer at Perryville, is at risk from Arias?

You just wouldn't know I guess. If one has the right weapon and element of surprise. We know Jodi is handy with a knife so maybe she'd be just as dangerous with a shank. Or she could become sisters with her.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

They better get some cameras in those vans. We all know JA's going to be involved in something like this within the first year. Whether it's true or she lies about it, someone's career will end because of her as well.

MOO

I do believe she will try. I know some here have asked, or talked about whether her commissary account can be frozen to make restitution to the family. I found this:


Q: Can the Dept. of Corrections deduct money from an inmate's spendable account that has been sent to him from his family or friends on the outside to pay for court ordered restitution? In other words, can they deduct money for restitution owed from anything but a prisoner's earned wages?

A: Previously, no. Now, a statute allows them to do so. Under A.R.S. 31-230, it now permits the DOC to deduct a minimum of 20%, up to 50% of all monies in a prisoner's spendable account in order to pay court-ordered restitution. Once you send money to a prisoner's account, it becomes his/her "property, and is subject to court-ordered and other deductions. It isn't your money anymore once you deposit it to a prisoner's account".


ETA: http://www.middlegroundprisonreform.org/faq-s.html




Actual Legislation document for A.R.S. 31-230: Read here..... http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/31/00230.htm&Title=31&DocType=ARS

 

[Kamille]

Anyone think Angela Simpson, a fellow murderer at Perryville, is at risk from Arias?

I think JA will eventually team up with Marrissa DeVault and whatever "crew" she's put together from jail acquaintances who went there before her. I think JA has already been working that angle. No idea if Angela Simpson would be part of that or would be a rival.

MOO

 

[Steve44]

Yes, JA's mother made a post the evening before the verdict to the effect - I'm asking everyone to pray tonight like they've never prayed before. It only takes one juror to prevent the death penalty. We got this!

I really think the DP played better into their long term strategy than LWOP and they were planning on following that strategy. They could have played the victim card to the hilt, and parroted Nurmi's closing about 'killing this girl' repeatedly to all the world. Jodi tweeting about how bad, bad, bad the 'death jurors' are sounds slightly out of place given the result of the trial. I'm sure they will continue playing the Jodi is a victim card, she's just not as much of a victim as they were planning on.