Discussions on Formal Sentencing Hearing - Jodi Arias #4

[RadarLuv]

The fact that the other 11 jurors asked her if she could think of ANY case in which someone might DESERVE the DP and she refused to answer.

I can think of few; Dahmer, Bundy, OKC Bomber Timothy McVeigh, Saddam Hussein, WTC terrorists/planners, Manson, Gayce? I mean, she couldn't think of ONE? This isn't a person that agreed that she could impose the DP in jury selection.

Saboteur.

The fact that she brought up the movie, and actually wanted to use it as an argument while sitting in the midst of all that actual evidence, and having sat through months of the actual trial, means she was reaching for straws, knew she had no real argument, and was determined to keep her mind closed. It's very strange.

 

[Val1]

That's changed and much more relaxed now. Here's my earlier post on the new rules, along with a chart that explains phases and privileges for each:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Arias-Retrial-Day-43&p=11548720#post11548720

eta: this info is taken from an order by the Director dated IIRC May 2014. The website info doesn't include these changes yet, IIRC, but the link is on ^ post.

Bah! If we have to live with the possibility of her getting LWP because that was in effect back when she was first charged, then she should have to live with the conditions that were in place back then too.

 

[daisydomino]

That is the scary part. The evidence photos of Travis shows us that a monster did this to him. The fact that Jodi did not look like a monster in court should have scared the heck out of her. It is hard to make sense out of what J17 told the other jury members. jmo

I hope someday she'll tell it from her point of view, but we'll probably never hear from her. She doesn't have to say anything publicly.

 

[MeeBee]

Yes, could have been that. IIRC the Dr. Drew Tweet being the reason she was asked to stay was speculation. We don't know. Everything was secret with this trial.

Right. And as I posted previously, the announcement about juror 17 being Dr. Drew came after the 17 in this trial was told to stay behind. The people on Dr. Drew said it could not have been that. If you check the time on the tweet they are right.

 

[RickshawFan]

IIRC the best she can get with good behavior eventually is medium security
Inmate “phase” system used in AZ prisons

The different Phases of inmates:

Phase I - date of arrival to 6 months with NO disciplinary
Phase II - 6 months to 1 year with NO disciplinary
Phase III - over one year with NO disciplinary

Phase I is permitted one 4 hour visit per weekend and one phone call per day.
Phase II is permitted 3 , 4 hour blocks of visits per weekend and 2 phone calls per day.
Phase III is permitted 4, 4 hour blocks of visits per weekend if medium custody, they are permitted up to 5 phone calls per day, if minimum custody, unlimited phone calls per day.
(they may only make calls to those people who are their approved list of visitors)

For more information on the different Phases and the privileges they are permitted, check the DOC website under policies.

The visitation schedule is as follows:

Saturday: 8:00am to Noon OR Noon to 4:00pm
If visiting during the morning block you must be checked in by 10:00am
If visiting during the afternoon block you must be checked in by 2:00pm

Sunday: 8:00am to noon or noon to 4:00pm
If visiting during the morning block you must be checked in by 10:00am
If visiting during the afternoon block you must be checked in by 2:00pm

Inmates may have up to 6 visitors at one time. It is best if someone is leaving and another person is arriving , that you overlap the visit. This will keep your loved one from being returned to the yard, being strip searched twice and on some yards, once the inmate is strip searched and returned to the yard, they will not be called to visitation for another visitor.

My sense is that it will be years before she is a medium security inmate, and she can never be minimum security. She can evidently be in max and be in a general population of max-ers. Inmates with 16+ years left are housed together, as far as I can tell. The regulations seem quite complicated.

My least favorite feature of any of the regulations is that they can have $60+ to spent every month in commissary and extra at Christmas. They can even buy makeup; this seems to me completely unnecessary.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

IIRC AZL or one of the Attorneys on this site said he could have had her dismissed for cause, without using his strikes....

BBM: Exactly ... and there's no limit for "cause."

:gaah: So WHY wasn't she dismissed ?

Oh, do you remember if this was asked and answered in the "legal thread" here ?

:seeya: Thanks !

 

[ZsaZsa]

And there you have it!

They set up the trust fund so she could sell artwork and take donations and who knows what else. I am not saying they might not fund some of her legal stuff with it but I do not for a minute believe they intend to use those funds solely for that, regardless of what they say.

Remember, the Anthonys had a Caylee trust fund for the purpose of finding missing kids. The trusts are closed now and funds all used up. Has anyone ever heard they found or aided in a search for any missing child?

No, they took $600,000 from Dr Phil and closed the acct.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Well they also said that when they tried to ask her to convince them why she thought the mitigators outweighed the aggravators she would shut down and talk about how she felt, the Lifetime movie and refuse to discuss the actual evidence. THEY said that she wouldn't deliberate, that she was basing her decision on how Jodi looked in court vs. how she expected due to the Lifetime Movie, THEY felt so frustrated with her stonewalling that they went to the Judge claiming she wasn't following the rules asking her to be removed. That was one thing they all agreed on: that she wasn't participating as a juror. At least that's what I heard.

And no, they were split 6/6 when they went in, started going over the actual evidence meaning mitigators vs. aggravators. 5 moved over to DP and she , refusing to engage in the discussions, stayed staunch with her original "feeling". She wouldn't even engage in trying to convince them to come to her side...she was just stuck holding firm there no matter what.

As I recall Juror 17 said she saw bits and pieces of the Lifetime movie and also some news. I believe the question was asked during jury selection and some jurors stated they had either read or watched something about the case. It is not known if Juror 17 watched anything during the trial. In the interview one juror says "I think she came in thinking she was going to see a monster because that's what she had seen in the movie" We don't know if these were Juror 17's words because the juror says they can't say what she was thinking.

I could hear the frustration in the jurors' voices. It was especially heartbreaking to hear the juror say that she had to leave because her mother passed away. JMO but maybe Juror 17 is shy or not an eloquent speaker and therefore has trouble expressing herself. The attorneys should have done a better job of vetting potential jurors. You can't kick someone off a jury because they have a different opinion.

As for the split, in the beginning of the interview one juror said "we have been 11-1 since the beginning". Later in the interview, when questioned, he says they took a count on the first day and were 50/50 by the next day they were 11-1. They came to their decision early on IMO.

JMO but I don't see this as a reason for hatred or unsubstantiated claims about Juror 17.

 

[ZsaZsa]

And there you have it!

They set up the trust fund so she could sell artwork and take donations and who knows what else. I am not saying they might not fund some of her legal stuff with it but I do not for a minute believe they intend to use those funds solely for that, regardless of what they say.

Remember, the Anthonys had a Caylee trust fund for the purpose of finding missing kids. The trusts are closed now and funds all used up. Has anyone ever heard they found or aided in a search for any missing child?

No, they took $600,000 from Dr Phil and closed the acct.

 

[Sweet Fox]

And how do we know for sure that Aunt Sue isn't taking a monthly trustee fee.

 

[RadarLuv]

I think it is because she didn't care about the case at all. It could have been a case for attempted burglary by Llama's, for all she cared. She saw it was Juan, and she set her bulls eye on him.

That is the scary part. The evidence photos of Travis shows us that a monster did this to him. The fact that Jodi did not look like a monster in court should have scared the heck out of her. It is hard to make sense out of what J17 told the other jury members. jmo

 

[ZsaZsa]

And there you have it!

They set up the trust fund so she could sell artwork and take donations and who knows what else, with no one able to touch her. I am not saying they might not fund some of her legal stuff with it but I do not for a minute believe they intend to use those funds solely for that, regardless of what they say.

Remember, the Anthonys had a Caylee trust fund for the purpose of finding missing kids. The trusts are closed now and funds all used up. Has anyone heard they ever found or aided in a search for any missing child?

The IRS or anyone else in charge didn't care what the Anthonys did with trust funds; I see no reason to believe they will care enough to monitor Arias trusts.

How does the "Son of Sam'' law figure into this, if funds can be sheltered in that way?

 

[Ladylub]

And since she called Travis horrible things... that makes her a pedophile and a domestic abuser too. :gaah: This woman makes me ill! The lies that this defense team told and got away with... UGH! And I mean got away with the lies with JSS... the jury didn't buy any of their garbage!

I said the same thing after reading it, when I saw it earlier. Who ever actually said it must be the pedo & abuser......hmm JA maybe??? I do not think highly of the defense team at all but I struggle with the thought that adults who are within our courts are so juvenile to act this way. I can see JA and her friend thinking this way.

 

[ZsaZsa]

BBM: Exactly ... and there's no limit for "cause."

:gaah: So WHY wasn't she dismissed ?

Oh, do you remember if this was asked and answered in the "legal thread" here ?

:seeya: Thanks !

That is the question everyone is now asking.....why was she not dismissed based on all her close relationships with
violent criminals?

 

[I'mjazzed]

The boogie man can get you only because he doesn't look like what you expect him to look like.

A wolf in sheep's clothing.. aka, cmja

 

[I'mjazzed]

The boogie man can get you only because he doesn't look like what you expect him to look like.

A wolf in sheep's clothing.. aka, cmja

 

[RadarLuv]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_n3soqUsAAdI2t.jpg:large

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I hope we find out what the judge and the attorneys talked to her about after the lunch break on 10-24-14. Court ended early that day, everyone was dismissed and #17 was asked to stay behind.

:seeya: Yes ... the Transcript of that IN Chambers Conference needs to be released like NOW !

:gaah: Oh wait ... JSS super secret court ... I doubt IF it will ever be released !

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

In reading the g chat at BK's two things stood out

1 was Travis saying you made sure I heard your voice
2 Jodi I just wanted to hear your voice

I think she let him hear some of the tape. She also says she hadn't diddle (?) herself (I want to barf, and not like all last week -this is so gross) since the phone call?

So did she bring a tape of the phone call knowing that would let her back in?

she also mentions the T shirt business in the October ramblings

 

[RickshawFan]

That's changed and much more relaxed now. Here's my earlier post on the new rules, along with a chart that explains phases and privileges for each:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Arias-Retrial-Day-43&p=11548720#post11548720

eta: this info is taken from an order by the Director dated IIRC May 2014. The website info doesn't include these changes yet, IIRC, but the link is on ^ post.

Now I see from this that even low-phase inmates can get $60 per week in commissary. (This is very different from the inmate handbook.) Let's hope Jodi is non-compliant with her required medication. That would keep her from advancing. It seems from the trial (e.g. JSS' questions to her at allocution time) that Jodi might have been out of compliance. I can't imagine she doesn't have required medication. She also is not going to do very well in "Cognitive Restructuring." That's a requirement to get out of Phase I.