Discussions on Formal Sentencing Hearing - Jodi Arias #8

[GigiG]

Im sorry when I replied before to this post, I went on a tangent. I wanted to also say I agree with you here that there is room for improvement in general courtroom understanding for a jury.

They just kind of throw everyone in there and for lots of people it is all new and confusing.

Maybe a training session rather than a quiz. Maybe like Juror Training 101 sessions are needed once a jury pool is decided on.

When I was called in for jury duty, I was surprised find myself in a room with hundreds of other potential jurors. I piqued my curiosity and made me wonder what kind of a case it was (not many high profile cases here). I was also a bit surprised that before doing anything else, we were all required to watch a rather long video about jury service, inc. basics about how the proceedings work, what to expect, the admonition stuff, and FAQs. It was interesting and helpful stuff.

I may have one of a very few who were disappointed to learn that while we were watching the video a plea agreement had been reached so we were all sent home. Boo! In my county those few hours that day still counted as jury duty so I won't be called back for at least 8 years.

 

[Nancy_Drew]

Me too! She is probably having one of her hissy fits tonight. :lol:

Maybe Sheriff Joe will have to get the muzzle out to shut her up.

Ok... Back to the "JA reality show" idea to generated funds for TA's family... I have to admit... occasions like *THIS* I'd gladLy pay to see... And I'm NOT ashamed to admitt it!!

 

[ShadyLady]

I am a very patient person. I know that the facts don't miraculously come out in 10 minutes or even in a day or even in a week. But then I am not one of those who expects instant gratification especially in cases that are being investigated.

I am very happy to read that MDLR has been exposed. Accounts aren't seized for nothing and a government agency has to be the one to seize them.

So for now, I am very pleased with the breaking news story about MDLR and others. It is a very big deal to me.

It has just begun and we will hear more in the coming days.

I don't imagine charges will come until they do a thorough complete investigation of all accounts and all parties involved. That takes time.

All I care about now is knowing the investigators are on to MDLRs scheme.

The lid is going to blow and I want them to take their time so they uncover every wrongdoing she and others have done.

It gives me great pleasure for MDLR to know her cover has been blown and SHE is the one being targeted in the media... who will be on this like a dog with a new bone in the coming days.

Imo, Troy Hayden has reliable sources and I think he will learn a lot in the next few days.

IMO

I would also like to know about the close association between JSS' assistant [that said Juan should be stabbed 27 times] and delarosa.

 

[MissHaley]

Water seeks its own level, as the saying goes.

No one was made into a potential criminal by JA; they were already to go there and it's totally in their own control (except for the two 15 yr olds). MDLR and everyone else are doing what they do by their own free will.

And I don't understand why MDLR feels so bonded to JA, to the point where she herself is behind various money accounts and schemes. I get the fight against the DP; that's what a mitigation specialist is all about, but this shows a serious lack of both boundary management and clear morals.

This is what I find that I do not understand.

 

[Gin]

And this is why DF could not use MDLR under oath for mitigation!! They had to use the shrinks...hearsay from Maria.

JMO-Do you think the defense team were aware of the money irregularities?

 

[Madeleine74]

Wouldn't the correct term for these "peeps", be "perps" at that point??!! ;0)

they'd be perple?

 

[bznbear]

the jury selection video I've watched gave me the clear impression that the DT game is to argue someone is qualified when they are clearly not. There was a woman who couldn't even make up her mind but who had answered she'd never give the DP in this case on her questionnaire and repeatedly contradicted herself. Juan wanted her off as someone who didn't even know what their own position was. Wilmott kept arguing she was qualified because at ONE point she said she could give the DP. Despite the fact that like 40 times she said she couldn't or didn't know, the one time she said yes made her qualified to Wilmott.

As is seemingly frequent with this DT, her arguments lacked the element of good faith. So it did seem an uphill battle to seat a truly death qualified jury. To me, I think it was better when a judge decided. I understand the constitutional argument but I think the process is just too involved and difficult. I found many of the juror answers made me feel they would likely not be able to impose death. It seems pretty easy for the DT to get lucky and have the Pros run out of challenges and get stuck. I'm amazed that we have any people on death row.

I'm just not sure how you can fix the system given the limitations of jury selection. You have to find people who would impose death, but not be overly enthusiastic about it and say you could impose it on anyone. I guess I don't really know enough about it. My state doesn't have a DP and these videos are the only exposure I've had to penalty phase juror selection. It didn't seem like a smooth process. And it is a lot to ask of people. I can imagine many potentially good jurors would simply not want to serve on a DP case and find a way to get excluded.

I do agree with a less than unanimous verdict but that is pretty rare, 3 states I believe and two may be problematic as requiring a simple majority. That may be too easily challenged. I think it would need to be some type of super majority, maybe 10-2. I think in general, making verdicts be unanimous is crazy. But it obviously works I guess so my feelings must be wrong. It just seems so easy for someone to muck things up, whether intentionally or just because they didn't understand something. Scary when you think we rely on unanimous verdicts to keep criminals off the streets.

I agree with a judge giving the sentence. It's pretty clear to me the typical layperson doesn't really understand aggravators vs mitigators and how to weigh them, evidence, hearsay, and what should or shouldn't be considered when deliberating. I was appalled to learn the DT could pretty much accuse the victim of atrocious conduct without any corroboration; that it's up to the jury to decide what's real or not. I'm sorry, that just doesn't equal justice to me, and it's evident I know very little about the law.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

It wouldn't surprise me if this was discovered when they were investigating the Arias support site. Someone said earlier that no one had posted in hours on that site. This was way before the news came out. Did MDLR tell them all to stop and she knew the investigators were looking at her and others? Someone had to tell them something since they seem to post night and day everyday.

And while the investigators are searching for evidence from that site it also means they can secure any posts or PMs that were sent back and forth by anyone.

They may even find the IP address of the person who gave them the list of the 11 names of the jurors. Wouldn't it be a hoot if MDLR sent it from her own cell phone and the investigators already know that too. I don't find MDLR to be very intelligent.

Yep securing all the information is going to get very very very interesting.

 

[Madeleine74]

If I were a network chieftan I really would consider a premium cable or satellite channel to allow true crime aficionados to keep close tabs on their favorite LWOP or DP inmates. Live video feeds for the top felons, at least some amount of time, revenue-sharing with the prison to entice them to permit such a thing. I think it would rake in the $$$. Perhaps multiple channels if needed. Some % of the profits could be donated to victims' families and/or pay for programs geared to victims.

 

[Hatfield]

It occurred to me if monies are being requested to fund a specific purpose, like an appeal, and those monies are then not used for the stated purpose, but used for something else, the organizers/admins in charge of those campaigns could be legally liable and get into trouble.

I don't know the laws at all, but I'm pretty sure you can't solicit for funds, stating a specific use for the funds, and then use the funds in a different way than what supporters were told. If it were me and I found out my money wasn't being used the way I had been told, I'd be requesting a refund immediately and would probably alert whoever needed to be alerted to stop that activity.

I agree. Any bets some of the money bought Hershey bars and other commissary items and did not go to an appeal fund? LOL

 

[Nancy_Drew]

If money transferred was small amounts totaling $4100 I don't think IRS will be interested. They have been laying off investigators. Then again, I may not know what I am talking about. Lol.

That was just for one account, Ben Ernst's PayPal account which had 17 transactions with an account owned by MDLR. The article says that there are 8 authorized signers on 14 accounts.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Troy says if MDLR leaked jury information, that'll end her career .. 'Like THAT (snaps fingers)' .. this is a bit more information on the guy who runs JAII, the guy it appears MDLR is in bed with financially .. pretty huge mistake I would imagine: http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-1590769/Swedish-wealth-creator-from-Barnsley.html

Thanks MM for making me aware of this article

When I think of a mistake I made, it's something I did inadvertently........ not something planned to defraud others !

 

[FelicityLemon]

Just thinking outside the box..we are all questioning how MDLR could be so stupid regarding the art and donations, yet her contract was extended until 2018. Could it be that the next story about to drop is that those twitter accounts did not belong to her? Someone that was involved with the money laundering and bank accounts was tweeting as MDLR? That, IMO, would be a bombshell.

I was thinking that a few weeks ago because I couldn't believe a legal professional would be so immature and well, unprofessional. I thought surely, with how easy it is to impersonate someone, that's what happened. And what a clever strategy that would be, too. Get all of us yapping and perpetuating libel or slander or whatever it is. Scary thought - really scary.

But, seeing all the research nurmi's been doing by scouring social media daily, I would assume he'd alert her she was being misrepresented in a very public way that would cause her professional problems. At the very least, I think he would say "hey, maria, tone it down, try to be professional willya?" and she could either say up yours nurmi or IT'S NOT ME!

Hence, the supposed tracing of IP addies.

Hard to ask for a retrial if it's someone on your own side who screwed it up. Assuming what's being reported is true and supported by facts.

My opinions only.

 

[MissHaley]

From Hope4More above post on manifesto :
"I returned to Travis his handwritten chapter one of his book, which I had taken to edit (returned on June 4, stolen by her)."

Well, another reason to get into the house, check for car payment, photos on CD from trips (but gave Travis computer a virus, maybe). Another way to do the whole "I'm sorry" & get him venerable again. Typical pattern of an abuser (arias). A lot good she brought back his book chapter on June 4!!!!! She knew what she was going to do!

 

[Smarty Jones]

I agree with a judge giving the sentence. It's pretty clear to me the typical layperson doesn't really understand aggravators vs mitigators and how to weigh them, evidence, hearsay, and what should or shouldn't be considered when deliberating. I was appalled to learn the DT could pretty much accuse the victim of atrocious conduct without any corroboration; that it's up to the jury to decide what's real or not. I'm sorry, that just doesn't equal justice to me, and it's evident I know very little about the law.

At least 11 people on the jury didn't seem to have any problem understanding the procedures and their duties. That's somewhat hopeful, right?

 

[ZsaZsa]

I guess conning felons and their fans I quite a lucrative business, Mrs G!!!!! Who "knew"??!' Lol!!!

What's ironic is that these felons are SO conceited, they think they have fans and loyal supporters, rather than seeing them as sharks circling.

 

[Madeleine74]

I was thinking that a few weeks ago because I couldn't believe a legal professional would be so immature and well, unprofessional.

She's a social worker more than a legal pro.

That said, as relates to immature, I present Exhibit A: Wilmott, Exhibit B: Nurmi

 

[Hatfield]

What is real crazy is I bet there would have been a right and legal way to do what JA and her minions tried to do. Instead she tries to get all shady and sneaky and is now in deep do do and bringing others into her downfall.

Its amazing how many people JA has hurt. Like we said before if you ever get in close range of her, RUN, RUN AWAY

 

[fillymj]

jmo-do you think the defense team were aware of the money irregularities?

yes ……..

 

[A_News_Junkie]

I don't know what it means, but something happened with today's date - GAH! SEALED DOCUMENTS!


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Well this is interesting.
Would love to know if anyone knows what the minute entries of 3/4/15 are? (Tell me they are re J17!)

So, several screenshots sealed but the STATE filed a motion to RECONSIDER a prior STATE motion to STRIKE?! Strike what - Juror 17?
So, who can tell me where those minutes are - I bet they tell us something about what this might all be about!

OH AND LOOKS LIKE TRAVIS' ELEPHANT JUST SAT ON A FEW PEOPLE~~~ YIPPIEEEEEEE!!!!!!!