DNA Doe Project - General Discussion

[doggybag2355]

This. People have their pet cases they hope to see solved, but I'm more glad to see that cases are being worked on.

Oh I was just saying that since I got in contact with the person covering the Morrill Co. John Doe case, and he seemed very interested in getting in contact with them.

 

[doggybag2355]

So Gregg County, Mrs. Startex, and Tukwila are already on the spreadsheet, and The first and third already have AMAZING results in GEDMatch.

Gregg Co is at 388.1!
Mrs. Startex is at 83
Tukwila is at 489.4!

This isn't including FTDNA results!

Other updates I've seen, unfortunately it looks like Grundy Co. Has taken a significant plunge with her highest match on GEDMatch now at 30.9, with her FTDNA result unchanged. Kern 2011 is now at 169.2 with FTDNA. Mecklenburg 2008 is at 130.8 on FTDNA. Vernon Co also dropped slightly with her FTDNA match being 44.3.

So a mixed bag all around!

 

[doggybag2355]

So Gregg County, Mrs. Startex, and Tukwila are already on the spreadsheet, and The first and third already have AMAZING results in GEDMatch.

Gregg Co is at 388.1!
Mrs. Startex is at 83
Tukwila is at 489.4!

This isn't including FTDNA results!

Other updates I've seen, unfortunately it looks like Grundy Co. Has taken a significant plunge with her highest match on GEDMatch now at 30.9, with her FTDNA result unchanged. Kern 2011 is now at 169.2 with FTDNA. Mecklenburg 2008 is at 130.8. Vernon Co also dropped slightly with her FTDNA match being 44.3.

So a mixed bag all around!

Also it seems Reservation Rd. 1981 still isn't on the spreadsheet yet.

 

[JovanSrna]

Oh I was just saying that since I got in contact with the person covering the Morrill Co. John Doe case, and he seemed very interested in getting in contact with them.

Nebraska has only a handful of cases on NamUs with this being markedly older than the rest. I hope they get it. I'd like to see a 50 state challenge for them.

 

[doggybag2355]

Was the Jan 4th update actually on Sunday? I'm not sure if Joan plans to add more FTDNA results today.

 

[ntt1]

Some huge numbers for the most recently added cases. I would think that they likely have found tentative IDs within hours, unless there is significant endogamy or any other issues with the data (my amateur speculation of course). Great news all around.

 

[doggybag2355]

Some huge numbers for the most recently added cases. I would think that they likely have found tentative IDs within hours, unless there is significant endogamy or any other issues with the data (my amateur speculation of course). Great news all around.

The tentative identifications can be quick, but unfortunately actual DNA comparison can take weeks - months.

 

[ntt1]

The tentative identifications can be quick, but unfortunately actual DNA comparison can take weeks - months.

For sure. Pretty great to see those numbers in any case, especially considering how long the lab work took (especially for Startex and Tukwila Bones). Hopefully we'll see the same for Mr. X, later this year.

 

[doggybag2355]

For sure. Pretty great to see those numbers in any case, especially considering how long the lab work took (especially for Startex and Tukwila Bones). Hopefully we'll see the same for Mr. X, later this year.

I hope if this round of sequencing goes well, its becoming a favorite case for the internet.

 

[JovanSrna]

I hope if this round of sequencing goes well, its becoming a favorite case for the internet.

Carl made a handsome reconstruction of him. He had a hideous, alien-looking reconstruction before. It looked like a quarter of his face had been torn off and exposed. There was an interesting article about this case recently and his long trip around various labs.
Around the world with Mr. X; JCSO Cold Case Squad still seek answers in 1972 murder
I hope for a breakthrough. I believe this was one of the cases funded by the Dyer Family Foundation.

 

[djanga]

Was the Jan 4th update actually on Sunday? I'm not sure if Joan plans to add more FTDNA results today.

Do you refer to that the date of a new update was not amended (It still says that next update is on the January, 4)? I have noticed it too. May be Joan has just forgotten to change it.

I also wonder why Debra Jackson and Bertha Holguin are on the poster of the solved cases for 2020, I think they were identified in 2019. I don’t think it is important, but I just wonder if they were counted as 2 of 26 cases or were just added because they did not appear on the poster of the solved cases of 2019.

 

[doggybag2355]

Do you refer to that the date of a new update was not amended (It still says that next update is on the January, 4)? I have noticed it too. May be Joan has just forgotten to change it.

I also wonder why Debra Jackson and Bertha Holguin are on the poster of the solved cases for 2020, I think they were identified in 2019. I don’t think it is important, but I just wonder if they were counted as 2 of 26 cases or were just added because they did not appear on the poster of the solved cases of 2019.

I noticed that too, especially since Debra was identified back in August, 2019.

 

[JovanSrna]

Gregg County has some 7 other UID cases left. I wonder if we'll see more of them with the DNA Doe Project, especially if this Jane Doe they're working is solved quickly. Discovery dates range from 1994 to 2004.

 

[doggybag2355]

Gregg County has some 7 other UID cases left. I wonder if we'll see more of them with the DNA Doe Project, especially if this Jane Doe they're working is solved quickly. Discovery dates range from 1994 to 2004.

Best we can do is reach out to offices and medical examiners to try to get in contact with the DDP.

 

[Susikatze]

To me it looks like there was no update. I am also anticipating more Oracle 4 results (yes I know theyre not super accurate but there is some truth to them).
Or I missed it, that is possible, too.
Either way, i am patient. Whenever Joan has time! It is a lot of work and I am sure she has other things to do as well.

Do you refer to that the date of a new update was not amended (It still says that next update is on the January, 4)? I have noticed it too. May be Joan has just forgotten to change it.

I also wonder why Debra Jackson and Bertha Holguin are on the poster of the solved cases for 2020, I think they were identified in 2019. I don’t think it is important, but I just wonder if they were counted as 2 of 26 cases or were just added because they did not appear on the poster of the solved cases of 2019.

 

[djanga]

Hudson Co John Doe 2019 (OH) (no NamUs - previous burial) is now an active case! Interestingly, in the case description it is said it is possible it can be from mid 1800-ies (I am surprised it had passed to active phase relatively fast)

 

[doggybag2355]

Hudson Co John Doe 2019 (OH) (no NamUs - previous burial) is now an active case! Interestingly, in the case description it is said it is possible it can be from mid 1800-ies (I am surprised it had passed to active phase relatively fast)

Amazing job DDP! I'm curious to see how this case pans out. This gives me a lot more hope for Mr. X and Alachua county John Doe successfully passing tests.

 

[djanga]

There is some huge news! The DDP just posted it on the facebook page:

January 11, 2021, the Terms of Service at GEDmatch have been changed to allow unidentified remains to be compared against the entire database, rather than just to those who have opted in.
The old language, where opt-out was defined:
'Public + opt-out': DNA data is available for comparison to any Raw Data in the GEDmatch database, except DNA kits identified as being uploaded for Law Enforcement purposes.
The new version:
’Public + opt-out': DNA data is available for comparison to any Raw Data in the GEDmatch database, except DNA kits identified as being uploaded for Law Enforcement investigation of a Violent Crime.
John and Jane Does are uploaded for Law Enforcement purposes, but for the purpose of identification only. So this change is intended to exclude Does from the consequences of customers opting out (or of being opted out). Assailant kits will still only be compared to those who opted in.
If you are concerned about having your results used for identifying Does you should remove your kit from GEDmatch or mark it private. Opting out will no longer prevent that.
We strongly advise anyone who is contemplating taking a DNA test, whether they upload to multiple sites or not, to read the Terms of Service first. More importantly, you should understand that these terms are unenforceable, can change at any time, and can never completely safeguard your privacy. No company can guarantee that our data will not be exposed to parties we don’t want them to be exposed to. The ultimate responsibility for those safeguards resides with you, the customer.
For DDP the change is a welcome one, one we hope will help further our mission and bring more families the answers they have waited for.
We are grateful for the existence of GEDmatch and the many users who have participated there. Without them there would have been no DNA Doe Project.

 

[doggybag2355]

There is some huge news! The DDP just posted it on the facebook page:

January 11, 2021, the Terms of Service at GEDmatch have been changed to allow unidentified remains to be compared against the entire database, rather than just to those who have opted in.
The old language, where opt-out was defined:
'Public + opt-out': DNA data is available for comparison to any Raw Data in the GEDmatch database, except DNA kits identified as being uploaded for Law Enforcement purposes.
The new version:
’Public + opt-out': DNA data is available for comparison to any Raw Data in the GEDmatch database, except DNA kits identified as being uploaded for Law Enforcement investigation of a Violent Crime.
John and Jane Does are uploaded for Law Enforcement purposes, but for the purpose of identification only. So this change is intended to exclude Does from the consequences of customers opting out (or of being opted out). Assailant kits will still only be compared to those who opted in.
If you are concerned about having your results used for identifying Does you should remove your kit from GEDmatch or mark it private. Opting out will no longer prevent that.
We strongly advise anyone who is contemplating taking a DNA test, whether they upload to multiple sites or not, to read the Terms of Service first. More importantly, you should understand that these terms are unenforceable, can change at any time, and can never completely safeguard your privacy. No company can guarantee that our data will not be exposed to parties we don’t want them to be exposed to. The ultimate responsibility for those safeguards resides with you, the customer.
For DDP the change is a welcome one, one we hope will help further our mission and bring more families the answers they have waited for.
We are grateful for the existence of GEDmatch and the many users who have participated there. Without them there would have been no DNA Doe Project.

So is it back to the old ways then?

 

[djanga]

As you remember we have discussed it here before, actually I had read something about it on wikipedia, that's why I was thinking that the huge news mentioned on the spreadsheet was related to the Gedmatch.