DNA Revisited

[Junebug99]

The following is a further explanation of our position on auxiliary hair transplantation. We have been asked about it for several years and it was discussed in our Feb 2003 New York Seminar

The groin/pubic perineal, and armpit are crease areas where the skin reflects upon itself. These are the skin “wet zones”. It needs to be this way otherwise dry skin would constantly rub against dry skin causing severe discomfort, abrasion, rash, and infection. In these “wet zones”, nature has devised a complex system of unique and specialized glands attached to the follicular units. Secretions lubricate and protect the skin, but the full function of the apocrine gland system to this day is not fully understood. In hot weather and exercise etc. moisture would accumulate and, because air circulation and drainage is limited in these “crease” areas there would be “water logging” of the skin.

Someone needs to tell these guys..........

 

[Junebug99]

Heck, this guy makes a living off of auxiliary hair!


http://www.yellowpages.ca/bus/New-B...E-C-H-Auxiliary-Hair-Care-Centre/7042631.html

 

[Whaleshark]

Please take note of both links below - SAME Doctors - different version of same procedure/same website.....they covered both bases no matter how people spelled it:

Axillary Hair Transplant
http://www.hairsite2.com/library2/article271.htm

Auxiliary Hair Transplant
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss-articles/auxiliary-hair-transplant-269.htm

In other words - axillary hair transplant IS auxiliary hair transplant.

Axillary Hair - Definition:
Underarm hair (Sometimes called axillary hair or armpit hair) is the composition of hair in the underarm area (axilla).

Online medical dicitionary:
http://www.mondofacto.com/facts/dictionary?axillary+hair
An axillary hair is hair of the armpit.

There is no match for 'auxiliary hair' in the same dictionary.
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Ancillary Hair -

ADOLESCENCE: BioSocial Development
http://www3.niu.edu/acad/fcns280/a-bio.html

Males

Growth of testes is first physical sign
Growth of penis and accessory (internal) male organs--allows for ejaculation
Sperm production becomes fully established
Genitalia reach adult size at age 15 on average
Nocturnal emissions ("wet dreams") occur between 14-17-- similar to menstruation
Deepening of the voice
Growth of larynx; around 13.5 yrs
Growth of pubic hair
Begins about same time as genital development and is followed by facial and Ancillary hair within 1-2 years
Ancillary hair is most socially visible signs of becoming a man
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Definition of Auxiliary -

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=auxiliary&tbs=dfn:1&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=Vt6ETpvALPKGsAKWueyqDw&ved=0CCYQkQ4&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=298cfbc9b6f1239a&biw=984&bih=487

noun /ôgˈzilyərē/  /-ˈzil(&#601rē/ 
auxiliaries, plural

1.A person or thing providing supplementary or additional help and support
- a nursing auxiliary
- there are two main fuel tanks and two auxiliaries
2.A group of volunteers giving supplementary support to an organization or institution
- members of the Volunteer Fire Department's women's auxiliary
3.Troops engaged in the service of a nation at war but not part of the regular army, and often of foreign origin
4.An auxiliary verb
5.A naval vessel with a supporting role, not armed for combat

adjective /ôgˈzilyərē/  /-ˈzil(&#601rē/ 
1.Providing supplementary or additional help and support
- an auxiliary nurse
- auxiliary airport staff
2.(of equipment) Held in reserve
- the ship has an auxiliary power source
3.(of troops) Engaged in the service of a nation at war but not part of the regular army, and often of foreign origin
4.(of a sailing vessel) Equipped with a supplementary engine

Aiding; ancillary; subordinate; subsidiary.
www.novelguide.com/a/discover/weal_13/weal_13_04928.html

Of note above - Auxiliary is ANOTHER word/Interchangeable with ancillary.

However, the axillary hair is called such because it is located in the underarm area - the AXILLA.
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Can we move on now please?

 

[DeeDee249]

A rose by any other name....

Besides the point, really. Whatever you like to call it, it was sourced to Patsy Ramsey.

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

According to who, DeeDee?

 

[BBB167893]

In your opinion.

Mine, too.

So before she ever says "I would like to see where it says that and who reported that" (not "you tell me where it says that"), she has said she's shock and bothered to hear it.

She was awfully calm for someone who was "shocked" and "bothered." She did what she always did: she tried to redirect it.

Perhaps if you had concrete evidence against the Ramseys, you wouldn't have to manufacture it by egregiously reading into otherwise nonprobative statements.

"Manufacture it," my fat Irish *! Patsy pretty much gave the store away with that interview. Not JUST in regard to the molestation, either.

To be fair, you're not the only RDIer to repeat that misquote, I've seen it elsewhere. I'm beginning to think I might have to start a list of the "Top ten RDI myths." :crazy:

You do that, Squirrel. You may find them not so mythical after all.

(I've got a REAL smart- remark about legends, but only if someone asks!)

 

[BBB167893]

That link is complete hearsay, even if they did report it, they aren't exactly known for being fair and balanced. But until I see the actual news report, I'll consider it more RDI propaganda.

Sadly, JuneBug, I FIGURED that's what your answer would be! I know how IDI operates.

When all else fails, bash FOX News. Heard it all before. (Is there a smiley for yawning?)

The actual report, eh? If memory serves, it was originally reported by Charlie Brennan, in the Rocky Mountain News (I THINK--either that, or Boulder Daily Camera) on August 25, 2002.

 

[BBB167893]

Yeah, you missed the 2002 in her quote.



I see, so you're backtracking from, "Trust me, if it did not belong to Patsy Ramsey, Lin Wood would be shouting it from the rooftops with his 'saliva in the blood' bull."

Makes no difference to me! I wouldn't trust Lin Wood to tell me that dogs bark and cats meow!

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

Sadly, JuneBug, I FIGURED that's what your answer would be! I know how IDI operates.

When all else fails, bash FOX News. Heard it all before. (Is there a smiley for yawning?)

The actual report, eh? If memory serves, it was originally reported by Charlie Brennan, in the Rocky Mountain News (I THINK--either that, or Boulder Daily Camera) on August 25, 2002.

No, Brennan only mentions the palm and shoe prints, just like every other news story at the time. None mention the hair. Unless you got a link or copy.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-90790059.html
http://www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-prints-hand-foot.htm

 

[UKGuy]

Please take note of both links below - SAME Doctors - different version of same procedure/same website.....they covered both bases no matter how people spelled it:

Axillary Hair Transplant
http://www.hairsite2.com/library2/article271.htm

Auxiliary Hair Transplant
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss-articles/auxiliary-hair-transplant-269.htm

In other words - axillary hair transplant IS auxiliary hair transplant.

Axillary Hair - Definition:
Underarm hair (Sometimes called axillary hair or armpit hair) is the composition of hair in the underarm area (axilla).

Online medical dicitionary:
http://www.mondofacto.com/facts/dictionary?axillary+hair
An axillary hair is hair of the armpit.

There is no match for 'auxiliary hair' in the same dictionary.
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Ancillary Hair -

ADOLESCENCE: BioSocial Development
http://www3.niu.edu/acad/fcns280/a-bio.html

Males

Growth of testes is first physical sign
Growth of penis and accessory (internal) male organs--allows for ejaculation
Sperm production becomes fully established
Genitalia reach adult size at age 15 on average
Nocturnal emissions ("wet dreams") occur between 14-17-- similar to menstruation
Deepening of the voice
Growth of larynx; around 13.5 yrs
Growth of pubic hair
Begins about same time as genital development and is followed by facial and Ancillary hair within 1-2 years
Ancillary hair is most socially visible signs of becoming a man
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Definition of Auxiliary -

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=auxiliary&tbs=dfn:1&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=Vt6ETpvALPKGsAKWueyqDw&ved=0CCYQkQ4&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=298cfbc9b6f1239a&biw=984&bih=487

noun /ôgˈzilyərē/  /-ˈzil(&#601rē/ 
auxiliaries, plural

1.A person or thing providing supplementary or additional help and support
- a nursing auxiliary
- there are two main fuel tanks and two auxiliaries
2.A group of volunteers giving supplementary support to an organization or institution
- members of the Volunteer Fire Department's women's auxiliary
3.Troops engaged in the service of a nation at war but not part of the regular army, and often of foreign origin
4.An auxiliary verb
5.A naval vessel with a supporting role, not armed for combat

adjective /ôgˈzilyərē/  /-ˈzil(&#601rē/ 
1.Providing supplementary or additional help and support
- an auxiliary nurse
- auxiliary airport staff
2.(of equipment) Held in reserve
- the ship has an auxiliary power source
3.(of troops) Engaged in the service of a nation at war but not part of the regular army, and often of foreign origin
4.(of a sailing vessel) Equipped with a supplementary engine

Aiding; ancillary; subordinate; subsidiary.
www.novelguide.com/a/discover/weal_13/weal_13_04928.html

Of note above - Auxiliary is ANOTHER word/Interchangeable with ancillary.

However, the axillary hair is called such because it is located in the underarm area - the AXILLA.
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Can we move on now please?

Whaleshark,
Excellent post. Demonstrates that those posting the smoke and mirror posts do not even bother doing their own research, thereby wasting our time.


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[vlpate]

Please take note of both links below - SAME Doctors - different version of same procedure/same website.....they covered both bases no matter how people spelled it:

Axillary Hair Transplant
http://www.hairsite2.com/library2/article271.htm

Auxiliary Hair Transplant
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss-articles/auxiliary-hair-transplant-269.htm

In other words - axillary hair transplant IS auxiliary hair transplant.

Axillary Hair - Definition:
Underarm hair (Sometimes called axillary hair or armpit hair) is the composition of hair in the underarm area (axilla).

Online medical dicitionary:
http://www.mondofacto.com/facts/dictionary?axillary+hair
An axillary hair is hair of the armpit.

There is no match for 'auxiliary hair' in the same dictionary.
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Ancillary Hair -

ADOLESCENCE: BioSocial Development
http://www3.niu.edu/acad/fcns280/a-bio.html

Males

Growth of testes is first physical sign
Growth of penis and accessory (internal) male organs--allows for ejaculation
Sperm production becomes fully established
Genitalia reach adult size at age 15 on average
Nocturnal emissions ("wet dreams") occur between 14-17-- similar to menstruation
Deepening of the voice
Growth of larynx; around 13.5 yrs
Growth of pubic hair
Begins about same time as genital development and is followed by facial and Ancillary hair within 1-2 years
Ancillary hair is most socially visible signs of becoming a man
__

Definition of Auxiliary -

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=auxiliary&tbs=dfn:1&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=Vt6ETpvALPKGsAKWueyqDw&ved=0CCYQkQ4&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=298cfbc9b6f1239a&biw=984&bih=487

noun /ôgˈzilyərē/  /-ˈzil(&#601rē/ 
auxiliaries, plural

1.A person or thing providing supplementary or additional help and support
- a nursing auxiliary
- there are two main fuel tanks and two auxiliaries
2.A group of volunteers giving supplementary support to an organization or institution
- members of the Volunteer Fire Department's women's auxiliary
3.Troops engaged in the service of a nation at war but not part of the regular army, and often of foreign origin
4.An auxiliary verb
5.A naval vessel with a supporting role, not armed for combat

adjective /ôgˈzilyərē/  /-ˈzil(&#601rē/ 
1.Providing supplementary or additional help and support
- an auxiliary nurse
- auxiliary airport staff
2.(of equipment) Held in reserve
- the ship has an auxiliary power source
3.(of troops) Engaged in the service of a nation at war but not part of the regular army, and often of foreign origin
4.(of a sailing vessel) Equipped with a supplementary engine

Aiding; ancillary; subordinate; subsidiary.
www.novelguide.com/a/discover/weal_13/weal_13_04928.html

Of note above - Auxiliary is ANOTHER word/Interchangeable with ancillary.

However, the axillary hair is called such because it is located in the underarm area - the AXILLA.
__

Can we move on now please?

You obviously don't know me lol I'm going to take one last whack at this poor, dead horse....
BEM

Auxiliary is another word for ancillary. But auxiliary hair and ancillary hair are not the same by definition. Auxiliary hair, in the case of a hair transplant, head, underarm, groin, or otherwise, is supplemental hair. Unless the "intruder" had undergone hair transplant surgery or extensions, this term is wrong when it comes to the hair found on JonBenet's blanket. The term could just as easily be "supplemental" hair.

auxiliary and ancillary
ancillary:
Of secondary importance
auxiliary:
Giving assistance or support or helping
Acting as a subsidiary; supplementary to
Held in or used as a reserve

http://www.google.com/patents/about/10_177_584_Supplemental_hair_attachment.html?id=_cqFAAAAEBAJ

Supplemental hair attachment method and apparatus Darla J. Smith
The present invention provides an article and method for supplementing scalp hair. The article includes a body having at least one aperture formed therethrough and a plurality of fibers. Each fiber is threaded through an aperture and around the body. Scalp hair is threaded through a body aperture and body position adjacent the scalp. Crimping of the body secures the article to the scalp hair.

 

[UKGuy]

You obviously don't know me lol I'm going to take one last whack at this poor, dead horse....
BEM

Auxiliary is another word for ancillary. But auxiliary hair and ancillary hair are not the same by definition. Auxiliary hair, in the case of a hair transplant, head, underarm, groin, or otherwise, is supplemental hair. Unless the "intruder" had undergone hair transplant surgery or extensions, this term is wrong when it comes to the hair found on JonBenet's blanket. The term could just as easily be "supplemental" hair.

auxiliary and ancillary
ancillary:
Of secondary importance
auxiliary:
Giving assistance or support or helping
Acting as a subsidiary; supplementary to
Held in or used as a reserve

http://www.google.com/patents/about/10_177_584_Supplemental_hair_attachment.html?id=_cqFAAAAEBAJ

Supplemental hair attachment method and apparatus Darla J. Smith
The present invention provides an article and method for supplementing scalp hair. The article includes a body having at least one aperture formed therethrough and a plurality of fibers. Each fiber is threaded through an aperture and around the body. Scalp hair is threaded through a body aperture and body position adjacent the scalp. Crimping of the body secures the article to the scalp hair.

vlpate,
Over here in the UK these two words have similar meanings, and can be found in similar contexts. However, their meanings are distinct. So is their spelling. The first ancillary has two '-l-s'. The second, auxiliary, has only one.

ancillary (with two ‘-l-’s) is derived from the Latin word for a maidservant - ancilla. So it is used in the sense ‘supporting’ or ‘not important’, or ‘secondary’.

auxiliary (with one ‘-l-’) derives from the Latin word for ‘help’ or ‘assistance’ - auxilium.

So ancillary has connotations of rank or physical distance whereas auxiliary has connotations of short physical distance where the help is additional.


So it does appear someone assumed axillary was auxiliary and due to it being interchangable with ancillary somone else described it so.

I'd vote for Whaleshark here and go for axillary.

 

[vlpate]

vlpate,
Over here in the UK these two words have similar meanings, and can be found in similar contexts. However, their meanings are distinct. So is their spelling. The first ancillary has two '-l-s'. The second, auxiliary, has only one.

ancillary (with two ‘-l-’s) is derived from the Latin word for a maidservant - ancilla. So it is used in the sense ‘supporting’ or ‘not important’, or ‘secondary’.

auxiliary (with one ‘-l-’) derives from the Latin word for ‘help’ or ‘assistance’ - auxilium.

So ancillary has connotations of rank or physical distance whereas auxiliary has connotations of short physical distance where the help is additional.


So it does appear someone assumed axillary was auxiliary and due to it being interchangable with ancillary somone else described it so.

I'd vote for Whaleshark here and go for axillary.

We're not in a contest....the "pubic" hair was described by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation crime lab as an "ancillary" hair - "arm or chest hair", their exact word, not mine. It's not about what anyone thinks, it's about following what was actually said by officials so the ancillary hair doesn't turn into something it is not, like so much does in this case if repeated enough times.

 

[DeeDee249]

vlpate,
Over here in the UK these two words have similar meanings, and can be found in similar contexts. However, their meanings are distinct. So is their spelling. The first ancillary has two '-l-s'. The second, auxiliary, has only one.

ancillary (with two ‘-l-’s) is derived from the Latin word for a maidservant - ancilla. So it is used in the sense ‘supporting’ or ‘not important’, or ‘secondary’.

auxiliary (with one ‘-l-’) derives from the Latin word for ‘help’ or ‘assistance’ - auxilium.

So ancillary has connotations of rank or physical distance whereas auxiliary has connotations of short physical distance where the help is additional.


So it does appear someone assumed axillary was auxiliary and due to it being interchangable with ancillary somone else described it so.

I'd vote for Whaleshark here and go for axillary.

Nope. Axcillary means UNDERARM (axcilla)

 

[Whaleshark]

so, no i guess we can't move on....? LOL

 

[Whaleshark]

maybe it was an anxcilliaury hair

but seriously though - it was patsy's hair right? was it patsy's hair or not?

so whether it came from under her arm, on her forearm, or was a pube, if it was her hair, it was her hair. right? amiright?

someone will inevitably say i'm not. my ancillary hair hurts now.

 

[vlpate]

maybe it was an anxcilliaury hair

but seriously though - it was patsy's hair right? was it patsy's hair or not?

so whether it came from under her arm, on her forearm, or was a pube, if it was her hair, it was her hair. right? amiright?

someone will inevitably say i'm not. my ancillary hair hurts now.

You're right!! :woohoo:

 

[vlpate]

http://www.lawofficer.com/article/needs-tags-columns/transfer-theory-forensic-dna-a

The above article is interesting in that it speaks to transfer DNA... The handshake scenario, totally scary...

http://www.lawofficer.com/article/needs-tags-columns/using-dna-solve-cold-cases
"One word of caution regarding fingernail clippings, especially from cold cases: the contamination quality control procedures that are in place at the medical examiner's office today may not have been followed at the time the crime occurred. How could this affect your case? As an example, a former colleague of mine was working on a cold case and was able to get a male DNA profile from the female victim's fingernail clippings. The male profile was uploaded into CODIS and within days she had the name of the male who left his DNA under the victim's nails. The only problem? This particular male individual was deceased--and had been since 2 days prior to the victims own death! It was later determined the technicians at the medical examiner's office had used the same pair of fingernail clippers on both individuals, thus leading to the mixture of DNA. This example serves to highlight the care that is needed to avoid cross-contamination of samples. This is especially true when dealing with decades-old cold cases. After all, who would have thought 20 years ago that one would need to be concerned with simply touching an item of evidence and leaving their DNA behind?"

This murder happened 14 years ago....how carefully was the evidence handled? No one, at that time, would have been overly concerned with "touch" DNA once the long johns and underwear were tested for blood, saliva, semen DNA. They'd probably never heard of it. I'd like to know the chain of custody for the underwear and long johns...

The only way anyone is ever going to challenge this and the blood DNA is in a court of law, and that's probably never going to happen - and the ex Boulder DA knew it...IMO.

 

[Junebug99]

The DNA on the side of the long johns, exactly where someone would have pulled them down is what makes me go hmmmmmm. According tp PR she put the long johns on her that night, I am assuming they were clean so they shouldn't have any DNA, especially a strangers.

 

[UKGuy]

We're not in a contest....the "pubic" hair was described by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation crime lab as an "ancillary" hair - "arm or chest hair", their exact word, not mine. It's not about what anyone thinks, it's about following what was actually said by officials so the ancillary hair doesn't turn into something it is not, like so much does in this case if repeated enough times.

vlpate,

Fine, if thats what was said, OK.


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