Do you think the other side of Cindy is worse than we think?

  • #141
I don't think we have seen the half of what this family really is all about.
 
  • #142
Unfortunately Caylee didn't live through even 24 hours of "bonding" time with her mother

On June 15, George was at work. Lee wasn't there. Cindy couldn't physically prevent Casey from taking Caylee and leaving.

Cindy did what every family therapist would recommend when she gave Casey an ultimatum. People with personality disorders need tough love and to hit rock bottom for there to be any chance for them.

As a result Caylee is dead. No amount of woulda, coulda or shoulda can bring Caylee back. Now Casey may face the death penalty or being beaten to death and tormented in prison.

No matter WHAT Casey has done, do you think her parents aren't hurting at the thought of her in pain? Espeically if there is ANY chance Caylee's death might have been an accident? Don't you think over the years the Anthony's hearts have not ached for Casey because her "personality flaws" have ended up losing her friends and causing her problems?

Am I the only parent here whose heart has hurt for my child even when my child fully deserves the pain he himself brought upon himself?

On top of that there are the nightmares of how Caylee died and the wondering about whether or not Caylee was crying and calling for Cindy in her last moments. How does any human live with those thoughts?

I think the Cindy and George are MORE than being punished for their lack of parenting skills.

JMO


No you are not the only parent who feels that way, I feel the same way with my children. No one is perfect Children make mistakes just like us parents do. Even adult children.
 
  • #143
I agree, Bev, but also really "hear" what Shutterfly is saying. IMO it is hard for the vast majority of us, including myself, to really grasp what is going on in the Anthony family. Suffice to say, I believe Shutterfly, based on her life experiences (I am assuming you are a she because you take Midol) is correct in believing that Cindy and George (at the very least, Cindy) are going to continue to support Casey as long as she keeps up with the "Zanny did it" or "Someone else did it" defense. I can't comprehend it, but I am not them and I don't suffer the sickness they do.

Thank you for sharing such a personal story, Shutterfly. I learn so much from others. People like Casey, George and Cindy are our greatest teachers because they teach us how NOT to act.
 
  • #144
I like the way Jolynna thinks - a very objective and intelligent (and compassionate) view.

I would also like to add Honest view as well.
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  • #145
You are 100% correct. When my then 17 year old stepdaughter left home in the middle of the night with her three month old son..no money, 22 degrees outside, nowhere to go(because she was pee'd off that we wouldn't allow her to run the streets at all hours with the child) we called the police. They did absolutely nothing. It took three months, a missing persons report, several calls to CPS, and ultimately I spent three weeks wandering in and out of crack houses three states away to find what was a half dead child by that point. But anyway.....
Here's my problem with CA and it's one I've developed just recently(been working on it for months), after seeing the jail video of August 14th. I watched it the first time and watched KC. Then I watched it again and watched CA. Then I went back and watched everything we have on video of CA. For me, CA is a bit of an enigma. She comes off initially as though she has it all together, as if she is in control, as if she has all the answers. CA "was" the rock in that family.
But the videos go on. I see a 50 year old woman sitting in an interrogation room. She makes a fuss and giggles about the crumbs she left on the table from the "treats" the officer gave her. She fidgets, she plays with her hair, she plays with her shoes, she alternates sitting first on one foot, then on the other. And above all, I see a woman who, as long as she is being agreed with and coddled, acts immature, sweet, and childlike in her eagerness to help. Watch CA in the 8-14 video. She clearly cannot stand to be left sitting there while GA speaks to KC and she is 'left out" She shakes her head violently and pulls her hair. She gets up. She lays her head on the desk. She is saying "pay attention to ME" just like KC does.
CA works hard at making herself appear superior, as if she's "in the loop" and you're not. She's got it all figured out, you don't, so you would be well served to listen to her talk. I don't see this as typical behavior for a 50 year old, mature woman. She will go on and on and on and say absolutely nothing, she just keeps talking. This is how she is accustomed to dominating the conversation and controlling the situation IMO. KC says in the 8-14 video that CA never lets her talk. In videos we see GA sit quietly while CA talks. She cues him when he is "allowed' to speak.
I don't think a typical 50 year old woman needs to hide behind a hammer to feel heard and I don't believe she thinks her husband is so incapable that he is unable to defend himself. She came out of that house over and over again for the most mundane of reasons, knowing full well it would lead to confrontation. Control. It's all about control, and if you think for one minute that CA is not equally as capable of trying to control and manipulate people as is her daughter, I think you are mistaken. CA is the bread winner. That house is spotless. She chose a profession in which she "fixes" people for a living.
I believe whole heartedly that KC was a model child and I believe this because I have no doubt that CA controlled every aspect of her life. That would explain why KC seems so petrified of her mother....and well....her father seems petrified of her mother as well.
The change? KC grew up. She had a child of her own...someone that SHE could control and a way she found that SHE could control and manipulate CA. Once she got a taste for that control her mother had over her all of her life, it spelled conflict that turned catastrophic.
Do I think the "other side" of CA is worse than we think? I think you have to look back to the person forming the opinion and THEIR upbringing to understand how each of us comes to our conclusion. Is she "worse" than we think? Perhaps. Or perhaps it's just a matter of perception?
Like it or not CA is a product of HER environment growing up. We all know that unless the cycle is broken then history will repeat itself. We have all heard one million times that children learn what they live, and if you look very closely, beyond what comes out of their mouths, you can see a staggering amount of CA in KC.
Maybe I'm crazy. Maybe I see what I want to see because my perception comes from someone who was raised with control freaks, alcoholics, at least two sociopathic narsissists (sp?), master manipulators and codependence. I don't think that CA is "worse" but I think what we've seen only scratches the surface. But I've seen enough to believe that KC IS a product of her environment and I really do believe that who she is and what she's done is the direct result of how she was raised.
I don't believe that CA is a "bad" person. I just think that for whatever reason, early on, CA went at life from the perspective that who and what she "fixed" around her defined her worth as a human being. Codependency and control issues destroy lives.
CA is a beautiful woman. She's obviously smart, educated, and she has taken care of her entire family, seemingly singlehandedly, for 20+ years. It's a shame, IMO, that she kept reaching for her self-worth in places that she would never truly find it.
Come on now, don't throw nuthin at me, k? I'm not defending her...I don't think....and I'm not excusing any of it or condoning her actions or her parenting skills. I guarantee you they aren't worse than my family and none of us kids ever wound up, well, you know..."gone?" But had my Dad done to me what we fear KC has done to Caylee, my own Grandmother would have defended him to her death bed. My Dad is KC....56 years old...still supported by Mom and Dad. Everyone owes him something. He is smarter, better, and superior to all of us. Everything is someone else's fault. He can do anything he pleases and there are no consequences. He has everyone at Nags Head convinced that he is a retired millionaire. And who do you suppose made HIM that way? The same two people, now 76 and 81, who are STILL supporting him to this day. Get it?
I'm gonna go take another round of Midol now....sorry.

What some dont realize is Casey did not control the family the way most think. She used the familys love for Caylee against the family, they probably would have thrown her out along time ago IMO.IMO Casey and her behavior made them afraid of what would happen to Caylee if they pressed charges on Casey she would leave with Caylee. Courts do not always see what is in the best interest of the child.CA was worried but IMO not about KC killing Caylee but neglecting her. IMO she finally had it and told KC to get out.KC does not seem to have a history of violence how could CA and GA even think she could possibly kill her.Look what happened their worst nightmare.I have lived with someone like Casey,not my daughter but the mom of my grandchild.
 

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