Do you think the parents were involved?

[Jayelles]

Jayelles, I believe AfterMidnight's post was sarcasm.

Really? I do apologise. Thank goodness for that. I thought things had sunk to an all time low.

 

[SleuthMom]

how on earth are they supposed to search for her if they have to go back to work ??

Didn't they say they want to live a life as normal as possible? PART of life is go back to work to maintain your family! This is common-sense and NOT meant to be harsh. Gerry specifically said that they want to give the twins a normal life but that they won't give up in looking for Madeleine. Great. THEN GO BACK TO WORK and use the fund to HELP FIND MADELEINE, not to pay for your bills! How is that hateful? Please....

 

[SleuthMom]

how on earth are they supposed to search for her if they have to go back to work ??

Didn't they say they want to live a life as normal as possible? PART of life is go back to work to maintain your family! This is common-sense and NOT meant to be harsh. Gerry specifically said that they want to give the twins a normal life but that they won't give up in looking for Madeleine. Great. THEN GO BACK TO WORK and use the fund to HELP FIND MADELEINE, not to pay for your bills! How is that hateful? Please....

Yes, the fund states that can be used to support the family but EVEN the committee was wondering what "support" really entitles, hence they did not use the fund to pay for their legal bills. We can play semantics here, the truth IS that people donated for SEARCH EFFORTS TO FIND MADELEINE and not to support the family financially.

 

[SleuthMom]

You might have a point, but we need to be sure these perps are punished for leaving those innocent children alone. It doesn't matter if it was an accepted way of doing things in other circles. None of us, here, would have done it and that's what counts. We need to make sure they pay!

You are absolutely right! Even if you are just being sarcastic.

 

[april4sky]

the truth IS that people donated for SEARCH EFFORTS TO FIND MADELEINE and not to support the family financially.

The objects of the fund.

http://www.findmadeleine.com/fund/

1.1 The full objects of the Fund are:


1.1.1 To secure the safe return to her family of Madeleine McCann who was abducted in Praia da Luz, Portugal on Thursday 3rd May 2007;

1.1.2 To procure that Madeleine’s abduction is thoroughly investigated and that her abductors, as well as those who played or play any part in assisting them, are identified and brought to justice; and

1.1.3 To provide support, including financial assistance, to Madeleine’s family.
1.2 If the above objects are fulfilled then the objects of the Foundation shall be to pursue such purposes in similar cases arising in the United Kingdom, Portugal or elsewhere.
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Personally I hope they get as much support as they need. And I would feel the same about any family whose child is missing.

 

[AfterMidnight]

The objects of the fund.

http://www.findmadeleine.com/fund/

1.1 The full objects of the Fund are:


1.1.1 To secure the safe return to her family of Madeleine McCann who was abducted in Praia da Luz, Portugal on Thursday 3rd May 2007;

1.1.2 To procure that Madeleine’s abduction is thoroughly investigated and that her abductors, as well as those who played or play any part in assisting them, are identified and brought to justice; and

1.1.3 To provide support, including financial assistance, to Madeleine’s family.
1.2 If the above objects are fulfilled then the objects of the Foundation shall be to pursue such purposes in similar cases arising in the United Kingdom, Portugal or elsewhere.
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Personally I hope they get as much support as they need. And I would feel the same about any family whose child is missing.

:clap: :clap: :clap: AMEN to that.

 

[SleuthMom]

Guys, who is being repetitive now?

I KNOW what the fund states, so you all are saying that when this fund was settled most people donated to support the family financially? Oh come on, we know they donated to SEARCH FOR MADELEINE.

I am not saying they are using the fund illegally because I read where it states that the proceedings can be used for that purpose. What I am saying is an irrefutable fact, that MOST PEOPLE DONATED TO FIND MADDIE NOT TO SUPPORT THE MC CANNS FINANCIALLY. Can any of you really deny that???

Now if you all think that most people donated to support them financially I will have to say we will agree to disagree.

 

[IrishMist]

Guys, who is being repetitive now?

I KNOW what the fund states, so you all are saying that when this fund was settled most people donated to support the family financially? Oh come on, we know they donated to SEARCH FOR MADELEINE.

I am not saying they are using the fund illegally because I read where it states that the proceedings can be used for that purpose. What I am saying is an irrefutable fact, that MOST PEOPLE DONATED TO FIND MADDIE NOT TO SUPPORT THE MC CANNS FINANCIALLY. Can any of you really deny that???

Now if you all think that most people donated to support them financially I will have to say we will agree to disagree.

How on Earth is that an irrefutable fact? I can and will deny it. It's very clear when you donate what the donations are used for. Where are you finding information to the contrary?

 

[Barnaby]

I totally agree Sleuthmum, these conditions were put into the fund charter without any consent from the public. I believe that everyone who gave money thought it was to help the search for Madeleine. I think it is ABOMINABLE that these people are having their mortgage & living expenses paid ad infinitum by the public. They should be bloody ashamed of themselves, leeches!

 

[daffodil]

How on Earth is that an irrefutable fact? I can and will deny it. It's very clear when you donate what the donations are used for. Where are you finding information to the contrary?

I agree.I always thought funds like these were to assist the families financially as one would assume/expect/hope that the police were actually searching for the missing person.:waitasec:

 

[IrishMist]

I totally agree Sleuthmum, these conditions were put into the fund charter without any consent from the public. I believe that everyone who gave money thought it was to help the search for Madeleine. I think it is ABOMINABLE that these people are having their mortgage & living expenses paid ad infinitum by the public. They should be bloody ashamed of themselves, leeches!

You can believe that if you so choose. I may believe otherwise. But just because people choose to believe that way doesn't make it an irrefutable fact!

I choose to believe that people can and do read, especially before donating money. I also choose to believe that if people were that concerned about it, they would investigate before sending the money.

We don't have to agree. But to call an opinion an irrefutable fact is ridiculous.

 

[IrishMist]

I agree.I always thought funds like these were to assist the families financially as one would assume/expect/hope that the police were actually searching for the missing person.:waitasec:

Exactly, that's what I would think, too.

 

[daffodil]

I totally agree Sleuthmum, these conditions were put into the fund charter without any consent from the public. I believe that everyone who gave money thought it was to help the search for Madeleine. I think it is ABOMINABLE that these people are having their mortgage & living expenses paid ad infinitum by the public. They should be bloody ashamed of themselves, leeches!

Are you being serious or sarcastic? If you are being serious then what do you suggest they do? If they go back to work they will be accused of being cold,callous and flamed for forgetting Madeleine and if they dont then what purpose does it serve if they end up in a cardboard box living under a bridge?

 

[april4sky]

Guys, who is being repetitive now?

I KNOW what the fund states, so you all are saying that when this fund was settled most people donated to support the family financially? Oh come on, we know they donated to SEARCH FOR MADELEINE.

I am not saying they are using the fund illegally because I read where it states that the proceedings can be used for that purpose. What I am saying is an irrefutable fact, that MOST PEOPLE DONATED TO FIND MADDIE NOT TO SUPPORT THE MC CANNS FINANCIALLY. Can any of you really deny that???

Now if you all think that most people donated to support them financially I will have to say we will agree to disagree.

The rules are very clear and have been very clear to anyone who wished to donate to the fund from day one.
So yes people did know exactly what they were donating for.

You can't change the rules just because you don't like them.

As I said I hope they get as much help as they need, even financially, while their child is missing.

 

[Barnaby]

You can believe that if you so choose. I may believe otherwise. But just because people choose to believe that way doesn't make it an irrefutable fact!

I choose to believe that people can and do read, especially before donating money. I also choose to believe that if people were that concerned about it, they would investigate before sending the money.

We don't have to agree. But to call an opinion an irrefutable fact is ridiculous.

I think that in the beginning people just rushed to give money to help the little girl without even looking at the aims & objectives of the fund. I for one did that. I have just gone to the website now in view of this discussion & hit the "How to donate" button. There is an explanation there that the money will be used to help the family I agree but as I said i only found that today.
I accept that some people must have given knowing this but I still do not think that this financial support should continue to the McCanns while they sit on their butts indefinitely. How long will this continue? They have had a free ride now for 5 months, are they going to live off charity for the rest of their lives? If they cannot afford the mortgage on a £600,000 house then let them do what others would have to do, sell up, scale down & budget!

You know I am really starting to get angry here, these people neglected their daughter, left her to be abducted/sexually abused/murdered & everone is supporting them to the fact of buying their food!!! Time to stocktake!

 

[daffodil]

The rules are very clear and have been very clear to anyone who wished to donate to the fund from day one.
So yes people did know exactly what they were donating for.

You can't change the rules just because you don't like them.

As I said I hope they get as much help as they need, even financially, while their child is missing.

Agreed and truly if Gerry went back to work would you want to be "doctored" by a man who would clearly not have his mind on you or the job at hand but rather on his missing daughter?

 

[IrishMist]

Agreed and truly if Gerry went back to work would you want to be "doctored" by a man who would clearly not have his mind on you or the job at hand but rather on his missing daughter?

That thought crossed my mind, too.

 

[SleuthMom]

We don't have to agree. But to call an opinion an irrefutable fact is ridiculous.

Whether you think is ridiculous or not is irrelevant. Don't even know why you even bother to make such statement since it is also YOUR OPINION.

Anyhow, the fund is called MADELEINE'S FUND. Is that correct? Is it called the Mc Cann's family Fund? No, why? Hmmmm maybe because is the child's fund!!!! and its MAIN purpose is to SEARCH FOR THE MISSING KID! I cannot even believe we are discussing this point. Anyhow...

1.1 The full objects of the Fund are:

1.1.1 To secure the safe return to her family of Madeleine McCann who was abducted in Praia da Luz, Portugal on Thursday 3rd May 2007;

1.1.2 To procure that Madeleine’s abduction is thoroughly investigated and that her abductors, as well as those who played or play any part in assisting them, are identified and brought to justice; and

1.1.3 To provide support, including financial assistance, to Madeleine’s family.

1.2 If the above objects are fulfilled then the objects of the Foundation shall be to pursue such purposes in similar cases arising in the United Kingdom, Portugal or elsewhere.



Number 3 is the one we all know. Look at number 1 and 2. If we use a LITTLE common sense we will understand that the two MAIN purposes of the fund are to SECURE THE SAFE RETURN of Maddie and to have her "abduction" fully investigated and bring her "abductors" to justice.

Almost LASTLY, is the one that states that providing support to the family is also established in the fund.

Whoever wants to deny the fact that the MAIN purpose and MAIN reason people donated to this fund was to FIND precious Maddie, go ahead...I do not have the habit to argue against simply common sense so I shared my thoughts already.

 

[IrishMist]

I think that in the beginning people just rushed to give money to help the little girl without even looking at the aims & objectives of the fund. I for one did that. I have just gone to the website now in view of this discussion & hit the "How to donate" button. There is an explanation there that the money will be used to help the family I agree but as I said i only found that today.
I accept that some people must have given knowing this but I still do not think that this financial support should continue to the McCanns while they sit on their butts indefinitely. How long will this continue? They have had a free ride now for 5 months, are they going to live off charity for the rest of their lives? If they cannot afford the mortgage on a £600,000 house then let them do what others would have to do, sell up, scale down & budget!

You know I am really starting to get angry here, these people neglected their daughter, left her to be abducted/sexually abused/murdered & everone is supporting them to the fact of buying their food!!! Time to stocktake!

I can't speak for all supporters, but I can speak for myself.

In my opinion, they didn't leave her to be abducted/sexually abused/murdered. They did what wasn't unusual in Europe, or at this resort, and are paying a high price for it. Do I think they should have left the children? No. Do I think they regret it now, and will for the rest of their lives? Yes.

I also think that the torment of that is punishment enough.

I don't believe they murdered their daughter, I don't have any problem with them using the fund for it's intended purpose, and I don't believe it will be for the rest of their lives.

I see people here complain that they are getting over it too fast. Now it's that their aren't getting over it fast enough.

Just consider, Barnaby, just for a minute or two... what if they didn't do it? What if the only mistake they made was being lulled into a false sense of security, and left those children alone. Can you imagine what they are going through??

Now, if it turns out that these rumors are true. (The DNA match, the dogs alerting, etc.) If all these rumors turn out to be true, and they are charged and found guilty, I could understand the anger at them and their deception. But this anger at suppositions, rumor, innuendo, and a smear campaign is very hard for me to understand.

 

[daffodil]

Irish I feel like I am stalking you!! I agree completely with everything you have said and if people like Barnaby want to call it a "free ride" then lets hope its a ride they dont ever have to go on.