Does Anyone here think Casey Anthony is innocent?

[HRCODEPINK]

If I understand you correctly you are saying that if there is another persons prints on the tape then the prosecution can say it is there because Casey stole the tape with the prints already on them. If that is right then I don't understand because you would have to intentionally peal the tape back put your prints on it and then lay the tape back down on the roll. Why would someone do that?

Snipped for space...
The person that used the duct tape before KC, if there was someone, would have left prints if they tore the tape. There would be prints on the end where the other end was torn off. The big deal at work is that everyone always forgets to pinch the packing tape at the end so that we can easily use it the next time. There are always prints on that tip from where the tape was torn, and being that it is flat, you can't only hold the non sticky side of the tape.

 

[lin]

Things don't look so good, but there are actually quite a few unknowns. It wouldn't be the first time that a case took a twist. Personally, I would rather find out she is innocent.

I'm mostly curious to know how you all would feel if she WAS found innocent...if in some way she actually DID turn out to be another victim in this case?

OJ innocent or Innocence Project innocent? Quite a bit of difference and would greatly affect the answer to your question.

 

[HRCODEPINK]

OJ innocent or Innocence Project innocent? Quite a bit of difference and would greatly affect the answer to your question.

:clap:

 

[Atlanta PI]

For the following reasons (these are included but not limited to), I believe that KC is guilty:

1. Her child was missing - she did not mention it to her family, nor her friends. She would not have mentioned it (IMHO) except for the fact that her hand was forced. She never called LE to report this - her mother did.
2. She lied to the police. She admitted that everything that she told them was a lie. Yet she said she was sticking to that story.
3. Every single thing that she said about Zenaida was a lie. No one had lived in that apartment for months, yet she insisted that that was the apartment where she dropped off her daughter.
4. She lied to LE about the address of Zenaida's mother. This turned out to be not accurate as well, and IIRC, she admitted that that was a lie as well.
5. She never once tried to join in any effort to find her daughter, even throughout the time that she was at home. She read, watched TV, baked brownies, etc. Oh and lets not forget, spent 4 hours every other day or so at her attorney's office. The only way she said that she would be of assistance, is if she was allowed to search privately with her "attorney."
6. She insisted for two years that she was employed with Universal. Not just to her Family, but her friends and boyfriends. She even led police on a wild goose chase to Universal, but finally admitted that she was lying.
7. She wiped out over 300 pictures of her daughter, as well as all of her email, etc. immediately before her arrest. As such a "loving" mother, why would she do that?

Anyone else want to take #8 on? It is exhausting listing all of her lies and there are so very many. Do I think she deserves a fair trial? Well certainly. I believe she will get a fair trial, however the evidence is so overwhelming that I think she will be convicted. She has painted herself into a corner with her lies. That coupled with the very start of this case which was, who goes out partying when their 2-year old daughter is missing? Who doesn't mention this fact to one single family member or friend? Well here I go again...but I will rest on this last thought. Feel free to pick it up from #7. I would think this list would get very very long. That being said, I totally respect anyone's thoughts that she may be innocent, I just think it is so very, very, unlikely, especially if you go back to the beginning of this case forward.

 

[lin]

This has become a pretty long thread of which I haven't been able to read all the responses yet.

I will say that some of you have posted questions to my posts that I don't have answers to. The whole point of the thread.

I want to know how KC who had been a "great" mother by all accounts of just about everyone who was interviewed, flipped the switch. How do you go from the loving mother to a monster. Was it always lurking underneath it all? I don't believe the argument with her mother set it off. I don't believe she was jealous of her mother so she killed her child. I don't believe it. JMO

One must consider the source and circumstances of those who stated KC was a "great" mother. For example, CA said so, but prior to those public statements, she was threatening to take custody and telling KC she was unfit. Her childless friends said she was a good mother but went on to describe Caylee attending adult parties, sleeping on the couch. Her childless ex-boyfriend said she was a great mother but went on to describe the three of them sleeping in the same bed. And what all of KC's friends saw was what KC put out for public consumption. No one can state with any accuracy what was going on when no one was looking; however CA must have had some strong suspicions to threaten to take custody.

 

[Interested57]

One must consider the source and circumstances of those who stated KC was a "great" mother. For example, CA said so, but prior to those public statements, she was threatening to take custody and telling KC she was unfit. Her childless friends said she was a good mother but went on to describe Caylee attending adult parties, sleeping on the couch. Her childless ex-boyfriend said she was a great mother but went on to describe the three of them sleeping in the same bed. And what all of KC's friends saw was what KC put out for public consumption. No one can state with any accuracy what was going on when no one was looking; however CA must have had some strong suspicions to threaten to take custody.

I agree with your logic above. However, there has been no evidence that she was physically abused, no police reports, no hospital or doctor reports. Hmmmmm....Wouldn't SOMEBODY have noticed something that they would have been more than willing to talk about since this case started?

 

[Amil]

I want to know how KC who had been a "great" mother by all accounts of just about everyone who was interviewed, flipped the switch. How do you go from the loving mother to a monster. Was it always lurking underneath it all? I don't believe the argument with her mother set it off. I don't believe she was jealous of her mother so she killed her child. I don't believe it. JMO

Several people have reported that she did not watch her child. Mr.Grund said she'd leave Caylee at his house to go to a pretend job which caused their family a little inconvenience. A friend said Casey wouldn't pay attention to Caylee. Casey would go into another room and leave Caylee behind. She'd take Caylee to adult parties. She'd text friends derogatory comments about having to babysit her own child. What kind of "great" mother gets a tattoo and a manicure when her child is missing? All signs point to a person who is not a great mother, not a great friend and not a great daughter.

 

[gibby207]

I agree with your logic above. However, there has been no evidence that she was physically abused, no police reports, no hospital or doctor reports. Hmmmmm....Wouldn't SOMEBODY have noticed something that they would have been more than willing to talk about since this case started?

Maybe it was a case of snapping and causing harm. There's still a little something in the back of my head that says it was an accident and she's too scared to come forward. But for this long? When death penalty is on the line? And her demeanor? I dunno... murder seems more likely to me.

 

[HRCODEPINK]

This has become a pretty long thread of which I haven't been able to read all the responses yet.

I will say that some of you have posted questions to my posts that I don't have answers to. The whole point of the thread.

I want to know how KC who had been a "great" mother by all accounts of just about everyone who was interviewed, flipped the switch. How do you go from the loving mother to a monster. Was it always lurking underneath it all? I don't believe the argument with her mother set it off. I don't believe she was jealous of her mother so she killed her child. I don't believe it. JMO

I have debated and debated to myself posting details on this but I have someone "close" to my family who is a sociopath. I cannot stress enough to those of you that have been lucky enough not to come across one of these people that no matter how much you read, I don't believe that you can ever really "get it" as far as these people go without experiencing it for yourself, but I do recommend as much study on them as you can muster.

The person that we know is thought, by everyone on the "outside" to be a wonderful man who loves his family and would give you the shirt off his back when in reality he is a cold and calculating sociopath. Every nice thing that he does has a motive that benefits him behind it. I truly believed that he loved my son dearly, always falling all over him, holding him when he cried, acting like a doting grandparent, even after being warned by his own stepson that it was all an act. I couldn't imagine anyone acting that well...till I caught him saying nasty hateful things to my 9 MONTH OLD BABY when he thought I wasn't in the next room and could hear him. Once this happened, I let him know that I heard him and I was offended and super p!ssed and from that point on the act was over with me and he has always acted towards me, when we are alone, like KC does on the phone to her mother. HE could care less about hiding who he really is around me now and he is always ugly and nasty and has a smirk on his face, and my son is not allowed with him alone anymore because the man that I thought loved my son now I fear would snap his neck in a heartbeat if given the chance. I have seen him pretend to love his own daughter dearly in front of others, and then do things to her when he thought people weren't looking that caused me to anonymously call CPS. Sociopaths have a gift for fooling people into believing that they are loving caring people. They know what type of person you want them to be and they become that person and stay that person whenever they are around you. I knew this man for 10 years before I found out who he really was.

 

[RR0004]

I agree with your logic above. However, there has been no evidence that she was physically abused, no police reports, no hospital or doctor reports. Hmmmmm....Wouldn't SOMEBODY have noticed something that they would have been more than willing to talk about since this case started?

Where does it say it was physical abuse? Maybe I'm wrong , but I think he/she is suggesting neglect.

 

[gibby207]

I have debated and debated to myself posting details on this but I have someone "close" to my family who is a sociopath. I cannot stress enough to those of you that have been lucky enough not to come across one of these people that no matter how much you read, I don't believe that you can ever really "get it" as far as these people go without experiencing it for yourself, but I do recommend as much study on them as you can muster.

The person that we know is thought, by everyone on the "outside" to be a wonderful man who loves his family and would give you the shirt off his back when in reality he is a cold and calculating sociopath. Every nice thing that he does has a motive that benefits him behind it. I truly believed that he loved my son dearly, always falling all over him, holding him when he cried, acting like a doting grandparent, even after being warned by his own stepson that it was all an act. I couldn't imagine anyone acting that well...till I caught him saying nasty hateful things to my 9 MONTH OLD BABY when he thought I wasn't in the next room and could hear him. Once this happened, I let him know that I heard him and I was offended and super p!ssed and from that point on the act was over with me and he has always acted towards me, when we are alone, like KC does on the phone to her mother. HE could care less about hiding who he really is around me now and he is always ugly and nasty and has a smirk on his face, and my son is not allowed with him alone anymore because the man that I thought loved my son now I fear would snap his neck in a heartbeat if given the chance. I have seen him pretend to love his own daughter dearly in front of others, and then do things to her when he thought people weren't looking that caused me to anonymously call CPS. Sociopaths have a gift for fooling people into believing that they are loving caring people. They know what type of person you want them to be and they become that person and stay that person whenever they are around you. I knew this man for 10 years before I found out who he really was.

I'm glad you posted this, and thank you. :blowkiss:

 

[Amil]

That video of Caylee is probably the last look at Caylee that she had. She could have used elements of the video for the pretend phone call because that is the last time she saw Caylee and so she used what was in her head.

Maybe she didn't even realize that she used details of that video for the pretend call. She had to think fast and that view of Caylee was the thought that popped up so she ran with it.

OT but when do you think Casey first saw that video from the nursing home? Before the fight, after she was arrested?

 

[lin]

I agree with your logic above. However, there has been no evidence that she was physically abused, no police reports, no hospital or doctor reports. Hmmmmm....Wouldn't SOMEBODY have noticed something that they would have been more than willing to talk about since this case started?

A hairdresser did report suspected physical abuse. As I'm sure you know, not all abuse is physical and not all physical abuse leaves clear markings for the casual observer to recognize.

If Caylee was drugged, what kind of marks do you think that would leave?

 

[RR0004]

I have debated and debated to myself posting details on this but I have someone "close" to my family who is a sociopath. I cannot stress enough to those of you that have been lucky enough not to come across one of these people that no matter how much you read, I don't believe that you can ever really "get it" as far as these people go without experiencing it for yourself, but I do recommend as much study on them as you can muster.

The person that we know is thought, by everyone on the "outside" to be a wonderful man who loves his family and would give you the shirt off his back when in reality he is a cold and calculating sociopath. Every nice thing that he does has a motive that benefits him behind it. I truly believed that he loved my son dearly, always falling all over him, holding him when he cried, acting like a doting grandparent, even after being warned by his own stepson that it was all an act. I couldn't imagine anyone acting that well...till I caught him saying nasty hateful things to my 9 MONTH OLD BABY when he thought I wasn't in the next room and could hear him. Once this happened, I let him know that I heard him and I was offended and super p!ssed and from that point on the act was over with me and he has always acted towards me, when we are alone, like KC does on the phone to her mother. HE could care less about hiding who he really is around me now and he is always ugly and nasty and has a smirk on his face, and my son is not allowed with him alone anymore because the man that I thought loved my son now I fear would snap his neck in a heartbeat if given the chance. I have seen him pretend to love his own daughter dearly in front of others, and then do things to her when he thought people weren't looking that caused me to anonymously call CPS. Sociopaths have a gift for fooling people into believing that they are loving caring people. They know what type of person you want them to be and they become that person and stay that person whenever they are around you. I knew this man for 10 years before I found out who he really was.

I'm so sorry...and can totally relate. It does give a different perspective.

 

[Atlanta PI]

I agree with your logic above. However, there has been no evidence that she was physically abused, no police reports, no hospital or doctor reports. Hmmmmm....Wouldn't SOMEBODY have noticed something that they would have been more than willing to talk about since this case started?

Abuse comes in many forms, certainly not just physical, although the police were very concerned about pictures of Caylee with apparent bruising. Does someone have to physically hurt their child, and not just put them in endangering situations to be considered a bad mother? Let's not forget all the videos that KC took of Caylee and never said a word to her - just taped her. CA's videos, on the other hand, usually had her talking to Caylee IIRC.

Adult parties, derogatory comments, ignoring, etc. this is certainly a form of abuse. I know of someone who was verbally abused for many years, along with her children, but she was unable to recognize this as real abuse since none of them were being beaten. Her family and friends never categorized it as such either, because they didn't often see all of them together (as was the case with Caylee and KC) and again, everyone seemed to be intact and physically unhurt. Thank God she finally got herself and her children away from this individual.

KC's friends, being mainly young and single, probably didn't have much experience with raising a child, and since there were not really outwards signs of physical abuse, probably didn't think much about it.

 

[Jolynna]

I can go for ten miles but 2, 3 or 4 blocks defies logic IMO.

Did Casey ever GO 10 miles away from her parent's house?

From her phone pings, it seems Casey's *close to home* would probably mean just a couple of blocks. Her roaming range seems limited distance-wise.

IMO

 

[tfrohning]

Casey innocent, I think not. She lied to Le guilty. She said said she left her child with someone that don't exist guilty. She did not protect her child. guilty. she did not report her child missing Guilty.

Guiltyfor Murder that we will have to wait for the Trial.

 

[Jolynna]

What makes you so sure? I don't believe they have a darn thing!

It is the prosecutor's responsibility to prove their case.

Everyone has the right to remain silent.

However, if I were on the jury and Casey's defense was a phantom ZG that not a single witness ever knew or saw, I'd be very skeptical.

Maybe IF there were fingerprints of someone else all over the adhesive side of the duct tape, I'd have reasonable doubt.

I don't find Casey's demeanor consistant with an accident. I have PTSD and have been in groups of people being treated for it. Casey's use of the duct tape and manner on June 16 show a Casey who is very aware of what she is doing and thinking clearly.

IMO

 

[HRCODEPINK]

I'm so sorry...and can totally relate. It does give a different perspective.

ITA! It does give a different perspective. Once I realized that KC was a sociopath I was able to stop spending so much time on thinking "How could she??" and move on to the "How did she?" I really wish that there was a way to show people who don't have one what it is like and how they really are, but I am afraid it takes most people many months and more likely YEARS of their abuse (and as you know, it IS abuse) to identify one. I am sorry you can relate!

And to Gibby no problem, just trying to help people understand because I can clearly see how it is hard to imagine a person with truly no feelings whatsoever for anyone but themselves. Not just selfish, but selfish with a vengeance! Hmmmm...even diabolical maybe... :blowkiss:

 

[Interested57]

I have debated and debated to myself posting details on this but I have someone "close" to my family who is a sociopath. I cannot stress enough to those of you that have been lucky enough not to come across one of these people that no matter how much you read, I don't believe that you can ever really "get it" as far as these people go without experiencing it for yourself, but I do recommend as much study on them as you can muster.

The person that we know is thought, by everyone on the "outside" to be a wonderful man who loves his family and would give you the shirt off his back when in reality he is a cold and calculating sociopath. Every nice thing that he does has a motive that benefits him behind it. I truly believed that he loved my son dearly, always falling all over him, holding him when he cried, acting like a doting grandparent, even after being warned by his own stepson that it was all an act. I couldn't imagine anyone acting that well...till I caught him saying nasty hateful things to my 9 MONTH OLD BABY when he thought I wasn't in the next room and could hear him. Once this happened, I let him know that I heard him and I was offended and super p!ssed and from that point on the act was over with me and he has always acted towards me, when we are alone, like KC does on the phone to her mother. HE could care less about hiding who he really is around me now and he is always ugly and nasty and has a smirk on his face, and my son is not allowed with him alone anymore because the man that I thought loved my son now I fear would snap his neck in a heartbeat if given the chance. I have seen him pretend to love his own daughter dearly in front of others, and then do things to her when he thought people weren't looking that caused me to anonymously call CPS. Sociopaths have a gift for fooling people into believing that they are loving caring people. They know what type of person you want them to be and they become that person and stay that person whenever they are around you. I knew this man for 10 years before I found out who he really was.

I am sorry for your situation. Thank you for sharing this information.