Does Anyone here think Casey Anthony is innocent?

[Lovejac]

It is estimated that 2% of the population are sociopathic (1% of women, 3% of men). That would be 1 in 50. Chances are, we all know a sociopath or two...there is probably at least one of them on this forum somewhere.

you are right!

 

[gibby207]

A friend just sent me a new link for a Caylee website. Ut also has Adji info. I've never posted alink before but here goes.


http://shamane23.webs.com/index.htm

Thank you!!! :blowkiss:

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

IF KC is found innocent, you would not consider the loss of her child as a qualifier for "victim" status? IF KC is found innocent, you would not consider being the target of what amounts to a witch-hunt as a qualifier for "victim" status?

Snipped and bolded by me

Although unlikely, KC may be found to be "not-guilty". This is a legal term and does not, in any way, imply innocence.

 

[gibby207]

It is estimated that 2% of the population are sociopathic (1% of women, 3% of men). That would be 1 in 50. Chances are, we all know a sociopath or two...there is probably at least one of them on this forum somewhere.

I swear it ain't me!

 

[suspicious mind]

kc not having a history of abusing Caylee doesn't mean anything. I can think of numerous cases where a murder transpired and no history of abuse was ever reported. I have seen countless interviews w/friends and family members of accused/convicted murderers and they always seem caught off guard. "But she was such a nice girl"

 

[cajun]

This has become a pretty long thread of which I haven't been able to read all the responses yet.

I will say that some of you have posted questions to my posts that I don't have answers to. The whole point of the thread.

I want to know how KC who had been a "great" mother by all accounts of just about everyone who was interviewed, flipped the switch. How do you go from the loving mother to a monster. Was it always lurking underneath it all? I don't believe the argument with her mother set it off. I don't believe she was jealous of her mother so she killed her child. I don't believe it. JMO

Well, I think she played the part of being a great mother when it suited her or when she needed to put on a show. Just like you hear about some men that are wife beaters and end up killing their wives, but other people can't believe it because they saw a different person..maybe even a great husband. We don't know what goes on behind closed doors or when people are out of our sight. What you see is not always what you get.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Originally Posted by mes1955
IF KC is found innocent, you would not consider the loss of her child as a qualifier for "victim" status? IF KC is found innocent, you would not consider being the target of what amounts to a witch-hunt as a qualifier for "victim" status?

Are we in Salem? This hasn't been a witch hunt. This is what excellent police work and forensics accomplish when you have experienced people working a case. Thank Goodness for the OCSO, the FBI, and everyone who came together to help bring justice to Caylee. All the evidence pointed straight back to Casey.

Casey is no victim. Everyone who has ever met her and even people she has dreamed up appear to be victims of Casey's. Casey is nothing but a proven liar, an obvious thief, and a who only uses people for her sole gratification, imo.

 

[Jolynna]

i understand what you're saying and it is hard to fathom but it happens. i'm not so sure the fight with cindy was the only reason why i think casey killed caylee. i think she did it because she had grown tired of missing out on the fun all her friends were having, also, her b/f at the time wasn't really interested in children..he's in his early 20's i don't blame him.
here's a case from Nova Scotia where a mother strangled her 12yr old daughter to death because the mother's b/f said she had to choose between her daughter and him in order to save the relationship.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia/story/2009/01/30/ns-karissa-guilty.html

i think casey killed caylee to keep the relationship with her b/f, the fight with cindy could just have been a culminating factor.

I agree with you that there are similarities in these cases. Besides having new men in the picture, both Penny and Casey had alternatives to killing their kids.

Karissa HAD BEEN with her father and only recently had Karissa's dad given in to his daughter's pleas. Going to live with her mother had long been a desire of Karissas. She LOVED her mom.

But when Mom's new squeeze said he wasn't ready for a family Mom killed her daughter. She COULD have given her back to the girl's father. But, when asked why she didn't Penny said " Because people would say I was a *Bad Mother*. (Yes, she REALLY said it)

Casey also had an alternative. BUT, if she gave Caylee to Cindy to live with a man, Cindy may have thought Casey was a *bad mom*. So might have Casey's friends. And so might have Tony.

Penny said she had to do it because she couldn't live another day without her new man. Her daughter's last words were, "Mommy don't."

http://thechronicleherald.ca/News/9010584.html


IMO

 

[Angelfire]

In my opinion, mental abuse is just as bad as physical abuse, you just don't see the scars. If what we are hearing concerning the family dynamics are true, it breaks my heart to think what this little girl was put through. Being pulled between a mother and a grandmother while having to listen to the arguments and fights and being terrified.

I do not think Casey is innocent but I feel the problems in that family were as much to blame for her death as Casey murdering her. I just wish someone in that family had realized what they were doing to this child and got some kind of help. Who knows how things might have turned out.

Can anyone imagine the pain and fear that Caylee felt every time she had to listen to the fights and the screaming and the threats? She loved her family very much and I'm sure it hurt her to hear the things that were said.

 

[MOMto5]

I swear it ain't me!

:laughbig::laughbig::laughbig:

 

[MD MOMMY]

interested57, question: have you listened to, watched, and read the thousands of discovery documents and interviews in this case to include the bond hearing and all other hearings? I only ask because after doing so myself I little doubt in my mind of her guilt. No... let me change that... I have NO doubt. Anything the defense does to try to defend this woman will hit a brick wall... Unless they can pull Caylee out of a birthday cake or ZFG strolls in I just don't see there being ANY surprises at the trial. I am interested to see how they will defend all the lies that have no merit or basis in fact..

Not to mention the defense really doesn't have to "put on a case"..all they have to do is refute the prosecutions evidence. It's going to be a battle ROYALE of forensics...plain and simple. JMO.

 

[MD MOMMY]

In my opinion, mental abuse is just as bad as physical abuse, you just don't see the scars. If what we are hearing concerning the family dynamics are true, it breaks my heart to think what this little girl was put through. Being pulled between a mother and a grandmother while having to listen to the arguments and fights and being terrified.

I do not think Casey is innocent but I feel the problems in that family were as much to blame for her death as Casey murdering her. I just wish someone in that family had realized what they were doing to this child and got some kind of help. Who knows how things might have turned out.

Can anyone imagine the pain and fear that Caylee felt every time she had to listen to the fights and the screaming and the threats? She loved her family very much and I'm sure it hurt her to hear the things that were said.

I hear what you are saying and I agree. I'm just happy that Caylee wasn't quite old enough to ingest ALL of it. I'm sure she could feel tension etc. I often think she is in a much better place then she would have been in that home growing up..and that makes me sad.

 

[Foxxtrot]

Snipped for space...
The person that used the duct tape before KC, if there was someone, would have left prints if they tore the tape. There would be prints on the end where the other end was torn off. The big deal at work is that everyone always forgets to pinch the packing tape at the end so that we can easily use it the next time. There are always prints on that tip from where the tape was torn, and being that it is flat, you can't only hold the non sticky side of the tape.

Correct. I always pinch my tape. I got my tape and was able to tear off a piece of tape without touching the sticky part, I had the end folded over a half inch. But I did probably leave some skin cells on the tape when the sticky side touched my fingers accidentally (cause I wasn't paying attention). So if the roll of tape that was used should have a print on that end. I doubt anyone in her group folded the end over.

I was also able to tear off tape and do anything I wanted to do with garden gloves on. (someone questioned that somewhere)

 

[Foxxtrot]

A hairdresser did report suspected physical abuse. As I'm sure you know, not all abuse is physical and not all physical abuse leaves clear markings for the casual observer to recognize.

If Caylee was drugged, what kind of marks do you think that would leave?

Could you please tell me where to find that report she filed? As I recall CPS said there were no reports of abuse reported that they know of. Thanks

 

[gitana1]

Quote snipped for space only.

The case that brought me to WS was Scott Peterson. In that case we heard the defense talk about all these same things:

--It was the Nazi Low Riders
--It was the Satan Worshipers
--It was the homeless
--It was people trying to hurt Scott
--Once we heard the evidence we'd understand why he was unfaithful
--Once we heard the evidence we'd see he's innocent
--Once the trial started Scott would take the stand and explain it all

Of course, this was all on the courtroom steps. Not under oath, not subject to cross examination, and from the mouths of his attorneys, not the actual "witnesses". When it WAS the trial, there was...nothing. Because there WAS nothing.

In case after case I have seen the same pattern. The defense will always say there is evidence that would free their client in a heartbeat - but nobody can see it. Let me tell you, if I was sitting in a cell and my attorney had evidence that would free me but he wouldn't tell the DA, I'd have have new attorney so fast it would make your head spin.

Could it be that Casey didn't kill her daughter? Sure. Could it be that there isn't enough evidence to convince a jury? Sure. Could I sit on the jury and be impartial? I believe I could, and I believe I'm no better than the average citizen and I believe an impartial jury can be found. But right now, from what I've seen and what I've read, she looks guilty as hell. And in the US we're allowed to see the evidence (and in Florida like no other state I know of are we allowed to see the evidence) and we're allowed to talk about it without fear of arrest and prosecution, so that's what we do.

Love this!!!

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I have to agree with Ad on this one. The BS coming from the Defense side outside the courtroom usually is full of words like: Innocent. Surprises. You will see. We will show. (And my all time favorite) Day in court.

Once in court...you keep waiting on them to produce even a fraction of the BS, but it never happens. This case is going to be no different. They have less than nothing, imo.

As I said before, this is not a television show and JB is NO Perry Mason.

 

[gitana1]

Here is who is innocent:

Her name is Caylee Marie Anthony, and she was only two years old when she was murdered, and thrown off the side of the road like nothing more than a piece of garbage.

I am committed to seeking out the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth about what happened to Caylee, that this precious, sweet, and innocent baby is no longer with us as she should be. After carefully pouring through the evidence released by LE over the past months, I am firmly convinced that Caylee's mother killed her, that she acted alone, and that she killed Caylee because she is a sociopath whose rage at her mother, coupled with a sociopath's 'me' centered personality and enjoyment of seeing others suffer, as well as there never having been any attempts by her parents to control or contain what they recognized as her sociopathy.

Is Caylee's mother presumed innocent right now by law? Indeed. And I will defend her right to a fair trial. But this is not a court of law - WS is a court of public opinion. I have no evidence, signs, or indications whatsoever that anyone but Caylee's mother murdered this baby, and that she acted completely alone and without any outside influence whatever.

I could let my imagination run free, and I indeed have a very creative imagination. I could certainly come up with wild, unlikely, yet perfectly plausible scenarios within the realms of possibility to defend Caylee's mother. I have no reason, however, to do so, and it would be an abhorrent exercise for me to engage in. I would feel I was betraying and disrespecting the innocent one - sweet baby Caylee - who has no one in her family demanding justice for her.

Protecting and defending the innocent is of utmost importance to me. My heart, mind, soul, and conscience demand that I attempt my best, and do what I can, to protect and defend Caylee.

Please excuse me, all, for my rambling. I'll get off my soapbox now.

Bump bump! Another beautiful post! Please get on your soapbox more often. I like it!

 

[SeriouslySearching]

While I love that photo of Caylee, the location bothers me. (sigh)

The post is excellent tho!! WTG, BeanE! (Thanks for reposting it, Gitana!)

 

[gitana1]

I haven't read all the way through the thread yet, but it didn't seem like anyone was defending Casey for not reporting her daughter missing for 31 days.

I think she has asked a very interesting question. I hope no one's afraid to post their opinion.

I believe she is guilty of something, but I haven't figured out exactly what that is yet. I find it very interesting that after 7 months JB can still say without a doubt Casey is innocent.

(Bolded by me).

I don't, That's what defense attorneys do. All the time.
After all, they're not hired to say their clients are guilty. Ya' know?

 

[gitana1]

While I love that photo of Caylee, the location bothers me. (sigh)

The post is excellent tho!! WTG, BeanE! (Thanks for reposting it, Gitana!)

I know what you mean. Poor sweet girl.