Does anyone who believes a Ramsey killed Jonbenet NOT think it was an accident?

  • #21
When I first looked into this case (a week ago?) - I only did because after reading the R.s were cleared I felt it 'safe' to look into the case - this type of stuff is usually not my 'thing', from my own experience it's just not something I want to think about if I can help it. But, I actually was looking up some information to see if certain people had 'guessed' correctly years ago (assuming the R.s were indeed exonerated) & that's when I discovered how bizarre the case truly was & I've been sucked in ever since (& weird things happening like overhearing cell phone conversations early in the a.m. that were not intended for my ears!).
At first, I did believe it was a bizarre murder that was planned - by someone in the family. A person has a website that details the similarities between ancient pagan ritual sacrifice (celtic & christianity has plenty of pagan undertones to it historically) - the 'triple' death of garrotte, bludgeoning & (can't remember, sorry!) - plus it happening on christmas day-sacrifice, etc. This person was convinced it was the 'santa' man - but, considering their past (writing about basement murders of children) it would seem foolhardy for them to do something like this considering it WOULD seem obvious they were guilty. They don't have solid alibis, however, they say they were in bed at 8 - only they know. I didn't pay too much attention to this theory but, sometimes I wonder....

Anyway, I also wonder if PR had planned this, maybe she planned to have JBR murdered & off the scene & like a punishment to JR - ? That would explain the silly ransom note (to my mind). So, she did plan this but, something went awry - just thoughts, that honestly, I don't really entertain a whole lot, but, in this case all information & brainstorming is helpful....well, assuming it's plausible & intelligent therefore eliminating issues of 'hydration' and 'fruitcakes' :).

The main reason for posting (forgetful tonight!) was that I was imagining being in a home where something wrong was happening - (the 911 call two days prior to the murder) & I don't think Jonbenet would have called - unfortunately the victims rarely speak out at all - much less a six year old - I would think it was someone else there that was scared, concerned, worried and had some guts (and didn't trust their parents!) & they knew as it's drilled into kid's heads 'call 911' - so, someone did, probably a kid who witnessed something - maybe witnessed something not for the first time (going to the parents in the past didn't do anything) so they call 911 - but, get scared or are caught....so, nothing comes of it. Just a thought. Maybe it was Burke? Hell, maybe it was Patsy (thinking to condemn john, perhaps - I could see it 'I'm calling the cops! That's it!' etc.) or maybe it is as someone suggested - someone trying to see how long until the police arrive (although, that doesn't add-up entirely).

Jonbenet would go to Burke's room right? In the middle of the night sometimes? She trusted him - even though evidence points to him possibly (tea bag, whitled handle on garrotte(?), presence at time of 911, strong possibility of parents willing to cover for him) - sometimes, though, I think we suspect him when he may have been her haven or even hero, or tried to be & failed...??
 
  • #22
Hey - never thought the garrotte could have been P & J's sex toy....a 'little molested' indeed....:mad:
 
  • #23
When was the 911 call made? What day? When did Grandaddy Paugh leave Boulder? :confused:
 
  • #24
I thought it was the 23rd - ? Haven't a clue as to G.Pa's flight aside from the previous poster saying he was flying out stand-by on christmas eve (a little weird).
 
  • #25
(Letter from Nedra Paugh-" I didn't go to John and Patsy's Christmas party, because I was in Roswell. Don, my husband, was there and flew back standby on the 24th so we could spend Christmas Eve together")

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cach...ristmas+eve+jonbenet&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

~1st 911 call Dec. 23 at 6:47 p.m./Christmas Party at Ramsey's

~Grandpa Paugh leaves Boulder early on Dec. 24th

~JonBenet is murdered on the Dec. 25th

~Her mother calls 911 on the Dec. 26th

Yes, John. I agree with your wording in the interview w/ Boulder PD... There was 'drama'.
 
  • #26
I have been following this case from Day 1, and my first "gut" feeling was that this wasn't an accident.
(I subscribe to the same theory as the poster, "docG") Not sure if he/she posts here anymore.

I do vacillate back and forth on the motive, and have given considerable thought to Patsy killing her accidentally, and even Burke killing her, but
I always go back to John as the perp.

Regardless of which Ramsey actually did the deed, I know in my heart that
John's position of wealth AND connections have prevented this case from being prosecuted.
It amazes me what some people can get away with.

I have been following this case for a while...I mean I was 6 when it happened but I have followed really well and I have in the past thought it was an accident but at the same time I dont think it was. I mean anyone of them could have killed her, but either way they all knew about it and covered it up accident or not. That's what bothers me. Why would you cover up something like this if it was an accident? Go to the police tell them what happened dont try to make it look like murder!!!! As far as motives any of them could have had the motive of pure jealousy of JB as she was well known because of all the pageants she was in!
 
  • #27
Another tall tale sign for me that John Ramsey was involved was his most recent interview when he breaks eye contact with the interviewer and looks down and away when he stated we couldn't have possibly have been involved. I am surprised a body language expert has not studied this recent lenghty interview, which IMO shows JR to be lying or hiding something.
 
  • #28
Graceful1505 - appearance was everything for the Ramseys - witness the pageants - they wanted to save 'face' by creating a scenario wherein they were innocent - but, I believe, for various reasons & evidence, that it backfired on them....no humble-pie for these folks...
 
  • #29
Graceful1505 - appearance was everything for the Ramseys - witness the pageants - they wanted to save 'face' by creating a scenario wherein they were innocent - but, I believe, for various reasons & evidence, that it backfired on them....no humble-pie for these folks...

I think they did it and i dont think that they will ever be able to convince anyone of their innocence because i dont think they are neither do others. And i am not sure what you meant by "but, I believe, for various reasons & evidence, that it backfired on them....no humble-pie for these folks."
Did i say something that meant that i thought they were innocent? I just dont understand what you mean here sorry!
 
  • #30
IMO the only "accident" here -if any- was that her death may not have been intended from the start. Whatever sick games were going on may have gone too far, and then the staging needed to be done to make it look like an intruder did it.

IMO the idea that Patsy went into a rage over _______ (fill in your favorite theory - JBR wet the bed, JBR doesn't want to be in pagents anymore, she didn't wear the right top to the party.... ) is unlikely. If this had happened, they'd likely have called for an ambulance. They'd be in some trouble, but not nealy as much trouble as they'd be in if they were charged with murder.

The cover up was done because the murderer(s) could not allow authorities to know what was really going on with JBR.
 
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  • #32
The cover up was done because the murderer(s) could not allow authorities to know what was really going on with JBR.

I think that was one benefit....I think at some point, the perp had the choice of seeking medical help or finishing her off....If allowed to live, JBR would have been mentally and physically handicapped due to the lack of oxygen to the brain. No more pageant princess....No Miss America title in her future.
 
  • #33
I think that was one benefit....I think at some point, the perp had the choice of seeking medical help or finishing her off....If allowed to live, JBR would have been mentally and physically handicapped due to the lack of oxygen to the brain. No more pageant princess....No Miss America title in her future.

Well, just to be clear, what I'm trying to say is I don't think there was a choice. I think whatever was being done to JBR was something that the perp couldn't allow the authorities to know. I don't think they could call an ambulance w/o revealing the nasty things being done.
 
  • #34
IMO the only "accident" here -if any- was that her death may not have been intended from the start. Whatever sick games were going on may have gone too far, and then the staging needed to be done to make it look like an intruder did it.

IMO the idea that Patsy went into a rage over _______ (fill in your favorite theory - JBR wet the bed, JBR doesn't want to be in pagents anymore, she didn't wear the right top to the party.... ) is unlikely. If this had happened, they'd likely have called for an ambulance. They'd be in some trouble, but not nealy as much trouble as they'd be in if they were charged with murder.

The cover up was done because the murderer(s) could not allow authorities to know what was really going on with JBR.
Chrishope, I believe your last sentence sums up this case the best. !!!!!
 
  • #35
Chrishope, I believe your last sentence sums up this case the best. !!!!!

I second!

Another tall tale sign for me that John Ramsey was involved was his most recent interview when he breaks eye contact with the interviewer and looks down and away when he stated we couldn't have possibly have been involved. I am surprised a body language expert has not studied this recent lenghty interview, which IMO shows JR to be lying or hiding something.

Ned, maybe if we all ask Bill O'Reilly nicely he'll go for it. He has that body-language woman on a lot.
 
  • #36
I usupect that John didn't really think they would ever get away with it. That's why he made sure there was more trace evidence pointing to Patsy rather than himself, plus the occasional comment such as "This is an inside job". He wanted to make sure, when LE finally twigged to the staging, that he could blame it all on Patsy.
 
  • #37
I usupect that John didn't really think they would ever get away with it. That's why he made sure there was more trace evidence pointing to Patsy rather than himself, plus the occasional comment such as "This is an inside job". He wanted to make sure, when LE finally twigged to the staging, that he could blame it all on Patsy.

You think he was ready to roll on her?
 
  • #38
I usupect that John didn't really think they would ever get away with it. That's why he made sure there was more trace evidence pointing to Patsy rather than himself, plus the occasional comment such as "This is an inside job". He wanted to make sure, when LE finally twigged to the staging, that he could blame it all on Patsy.

I agree, he sure was in a hurry to hand over that writing tablet, that the RN was written on. I am surprised that it wasn't on a silver platter.
 
  • #39
You think he was ready to roll on her?

If it was a choice between Patsy or himself, yep. But they were never pushed to the point where he had to.
 
  • #40
You think he was ready to roll on her?

He was still an accomplis. He would have had to make a deal in order to not be prosecuted himself. Would he have done that? I don't think so. I think he was prepared to see this out to the bitter end. It didn't neccesarily have anything to do with protecting Patsy. Sorry my spelling sucks tonight.
 

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