Does Cindy Know that Casey Killed Caylee?

Do you think that CA knows KC killed Caylee?

  • Yes

    Votes: 403 77.6%
  • No

    Votes: 11 2.1%
  • Yes, but on a subconscious level

    Votes: 105 20.2%

  • Total voters
    519
  • Poll closed .
As to autism, I agree that they call it "autism spectrum disorder" for a reason: autism covers a BROAD spectrum. Not all people with autism have Asperger's. Anyway, that is a topic that someone mentioned, speculating on LA's demeanor. It's ok to speculate! We KNOW, however, that hey, them Anthony's, they just "aint't right".

Now, here's what I'd love to have show up on Websleuths (incognito of course). They could call themselves "the neighbors". I'd like to hear from the Anthony's neighbors, or anyone who knows them. I'd especially love to hear from the neighbor who took the Anthony's trash, and the ones from whom Cayce borrowed a shovel. Things like that would be eye openers.
 
I do think she knows, however she does not want Casey to be found guilty and be sent to prison. I do not think she has forgiven her for this, I think she wants Casey to come back home and then Cindy wants to see that she is punished every day for what she's done while everyone putts on a happy smile and looks like a perfect family to any outsider. She wants to be in control of it and behind closed doors would see that Casey pays plenty.

VB
 
At most Cindy maybe wonders deep down if it might have been an accident. I don't think at this point that she is capable of believing Casey murdered Caylee intentionally and she may never be capable of it. Denial can be a very powerful thing going on in someone's head, I think Lee and Cindy are both in deep denial and aren't "fighting" it or working through it because they so desperately want/need to believe any other scenario. It isn't because they didn't/don't love Caylee with all their hearts, it because they did that they can't/won't let their minds accept what Casey did. I have had experience with denial on a smaller scale and absolutely could not make my mind except what was right in front of my eyes and abundantly obvious to everyone else. I truly did not believe it. Sometimes the mind can do amazing things to protect itself.
 
In public with the memorial, we saw a carefully controlled Cindy. She knew she was on stage. What a contrast her persona is when she is angrily acting out. She does that in public too.

The rubbing of George and Lee in public is nauseating. She wants to look so nurturing, so caring and loving. I doubt she's so sweet to George behind the scenes. It must be humiliating for him.

If Cindy doesn't know or hasn't figured out and accepted the fact that Casey killed Caylee, well...that just can't be. She knows.
 
CA knows without a doubt KC killed Caylee....she doesn't want to believe she raised a daughter capable of such a horrid crime. So she is still living in denial. After watching the latest videos there is no doubt in my mind that Caylee was the center of CA & GA universe & if CA had to admit KC killed her she'd hate her with a passion. No Mother wants to hate there daughter no matter what.
 
I think she does, but she's rationalized Caylee's murder as an accident and forgiven KC of it out of guilt for her role in "pushing KC too far". Imo CA believes what's done is done. We must move on now because the penalties that come with KC being held accountable are too much for CA to bear.

ITA In fact, you've saved me having to write my own reply. :)
 
I think she does, but she's rationalized Caylee's murder as an accident and forgiven KC of it out of guilt for her role in "pushing KC too far". Imo CA believes what's done is done. We must move on now because the penalties that come with KC being held accountable are too much for CA to bear.

I would respectfully extend that last sentence to add, "...and what infuriates Cindy is that the legal system doesn't share her opinion.
 
I rarely post, but these posts piqued my interest enough to respond.

My child has HFA (high-functioning autism) and I know many people who do, through my association with her. I must say that typically, the individuals I know with Asperger's speak almost "too" perfectly, and don't typify what I have observed with LA at all. LA's sense of Casey's thoughts, their code, in my opinion negate this.

I think that many of us, if we were reading transcripts of ourselves made when we were emotionally charged, sleep-deprived, or in overdrive, would sound rather "special."

Whether or not LA has experienced learning issues, I couldn't say. LA appears to read social cues well, and doesn't take things at face value. It really surprises me that people would think that he's autistic.

BTW, my daughter has an above average IQ, and so do many people who have autism. It bothers me when people assume that folks with autism are automatically retarded.

I really do not think that CA is trying to hide anything about Lee's psycho-social development.

Thank you for sharing this, I agree completely but only have a limited amount of personal experience to base this on. Coming from someone who walks this walk everyday is the voice of reason/experience/sanity that was needed to put this idea to rest.

Bless you and your daughter everyday.
 
everyone in the family knows

they think they can change KC into a nice girl...if they have her home long enough..


what skerrrrrrrrrrrrres me is -

if she can kill her own daughter then she is capable of killing a perfect stanger and not ever giving it a second thought


its down right frightening

:Banane37:
 
I really believe they think Casey accidently killed caylee and then was too afraid to come to them, for fear of disppointing them and fear of going to jail. I think they see Casey as a victim of circumstance and feel guilty for not parenting her better and "not being there" for her when she needed them.

I think they found this out only after the body was found. I think that is Casey's new story "to her parents" - but I don't think this is what they have told her lawyer or the public and I think it is only between them and they will continue to lie in order to protect their family.

I totally agree with you.
 
It appears that CA knows everything, but hides anything she feels is detrimental to those kids........I would love to talk to her brother or other family members.

I believe Lee to be either slightly mentally retarded or a high functioning autistic adult. His words and sentence structure are that of a functionally illiterate person. There is a reason he parks cars for a living.

His sentence structure is that of a 10 year old, and his cognitive thinking patterns are about the realm of an 8 year old. He does not have the ability to "investigate" anything because he has no cognitive reasoning skills, which is evidenced by all of his interviews.

I disagree. When he wrote on his website, he was articulate and fluent, and when he talked to KC he seemed logical and well-thought out. I think he was just nervous.
 
This was one of the easier questions I have found here on WS, yes, yes and yes. Cindy knows and has known that Casey killed Caylee. What she says and displays in public is VERY different from what she says in private. Take the JH interview and his statement that the only time he heard Cindy and George say that they thought Caylee was alive was at the PUBLIC vigils. I believe this to be true. They put on a show in public, but they know the deal in their hearts. Cindy knew it was Caylee before the remains were identified, she was planning her cremation a few days after the remains were discovered. A mother knows her children, we may want to pretend that we don't sometimes, but we do, we know them REALLY well. Cindy is no differant. My opinion only.
 
I don't get how knowing something as a fact and believing it are two separate things.
Also, I know quite a few things I haven't seen with my own eyes. I know dinosaurs roamed the earth, Pompeii was destroyed by a volcano, and there really is a continent called Australia.

what is it you don't get? i'll try to help explain...if you didn't see it yourself, do it yourself, or create it yourself, you don't really know something to be true. i know it sounds a little ridiculous because some things seem so obvious, but really, you believe dinosaurs roamed the earth, you don't know it because you weren't there to see it. you believe the people who study it and say it is so, because you trust that they are right. but you probably didn't see dinosaurs yourself, right? :smiley4:

that's the point the poster was trying to make. it's really a giant technicality. do i know we're on a big, spinning blue and green ball in the middle of outer space? well, no, i don't know it as i haven't seen it myself, but do i believe it? sure.

see what i'm saying? if cindy saw casey do it, then she would know. if she didn't see casey do it or NOT do it, then she is believing she didn't because she doesn't know either way.
 
what is it you don't get? i'll try to help explain...if you didn't see it yourself, do it yourself, or create it yourself, you don't really know something to be true. i know it sounds a little ridiculous because some things seem so obvious, but really, you believe dinosaurs roamed the earth, you don't know it because you weren't there to see it. you believe the people who study it and say it is so, because you trust that they are right. but you probably didn't see dinosaurs yourself, right? :smiley4:

that's the point the poster was trying to make. it's really a giant technicality. do i know we're on a big, spinning blue and green ball in the middle of outer space? well, no, i don't know it as i haven't seen it myself, but do i believe it? sure.

see what i'm saying? if cindy saw casey do it, then she would know. if she didn't see caesey do it or NOT do it, then she is believing she didn't because she doesn't know either way.
Then she could also have gone the other way as well - choose to believe she did do it even though she didn't see it because she consciously chose to believe in the science. Well, we know what she thought about that.
 
I voted yes. I think she knows in her heart that KC did it , but has just had a hard time coming to terms with it.
JMO
 
Then she could also have gone the other way as well - choose to believe she did do it even though she didn't see it because she consciously chose to believe in the science. Well, we know what she thought about that.


i agree with you, given the logic it kind of goes without saying. but since this doesn't appear to be the case with cindy, i didn't bother adding it. thanks, though. :)
 
There was never anything resembling denial. Only behaviors that could be interpreted as denial. Since Cindy wrote that myspace message on July 3 which pronounces that Caylee is missing and taken away because of spite, she has been rewriting it for our minds. Cindy has known Caylee was gone. Two weeks and then some had gone by. Those two weeks and then some are now painted by Cindy as "bonding time"....and yet, there is that letter. It isn't denial. It is cover up. The post is out there, and so we'll just fiddledeedee it away. Where one would expect a denial to at least reflect acknowledgment of previous emotional turmoil, it is erased as never having happened and never to be discussed, rewritten as a more innocent and sweet event. Even faced with the version that Casey states the child was taken from her, Cindy tells the story of this "kidnapping" with the background of Casey and Caylee going off for bonding. It isn't denial. It is writing a story that ignores the ugly parts and paints everyone in rosy colors.

Caylee is last seen by someone independent of the family at the nursing home. After that, it is the family saying Caylee was with this person or that one, even on the 16th of June. Cindy says they had a normal night and the next morning, Casey and Caylee were in the bedroom "breathing." Why would someone in denial make a statement relevant to breathing or not breathing? Denial doesn't need qualifiers like this. These details, then, are not denial. They are cover up.
George says she gave him a hug and kiss and left with Casey. He gives full details of what they're wearing. He talks of "normal" and fails to mention that he was not home that morning for a time, getting home shortly before noon.(pg. 9) That isn't denial and it isn't forgetfulness. It is cover up.

Denial suggests an element of innocence, and covering up whatever is not anywhere in the neighborhood close to innocence. Cindy was asked on the stand about whether she knew that George had a judgment against him in excess of $12,000. One of two scenarios happened in the seconds before she answered. She either had just heard one more piece of devastating news for the first time, or she already knew it. What she said was "No, I don't know about that." Either way, there is cover up. George has lied to his wife, or Cindy has just lied to a court. There is no other option.

That is all we have gotten since that 911 call (which Cindy dismisses now with these words "Forget about the 911 call, I know what I said. The 911 call doesn't matter." It is not denial. It is cover up. Whether it is covering up for their own past behaviors which would suggest that these people are not the Ward and June Cleaver of Hopespring Drive or whether it is covering up the lies her daughter told, it is not denial. It is lies, more lies, and covering up lies. But the worst part of it all, and where the injustice comes in, is that they cover up the truth. They lie about the truth. They make the truth look worse than improbable. They laugh it off as ridiculous. They create candy floss stories that only they believe will hold up in the rain because that is what they want everyone else to believe, not because they themselves believe in the stories but because they know the truth that they won't. That isn't denial. That isn't protecting their ego's from the harsh light of media. They in fact did this IN the media. They used the very forum they believe caused the "rain" and seeded the clouds with their lies! They feel betrayed because others would dare point out that they lied. The excuse that they are going through unmentionable stress and grief with this situation in fact becomes one of the primary seeds they use. I have said this from the very beginning. There is no room for manipulation in the search for the truth of what happened to Caylee Marie. I will not have my emotions manipulated to feel sorry for people who are deliberately lying in order to cover up the truth.

And as I have said before, they have made their bed, now they can LIE in it.

Well said!
 
Caylee is last seen by someone independent of the family at the nursing home. After that, it is the family saying Caylee was with this person or that one, even on the 16th of June. Cindy says they had a normal night and the next morning, Casey and Caylee were in the bedroom "breathing." Why would someone in denial make a statement relevant to breathing or not breathing? Denial doesn't need qualifiers like this. These details, then, are not denial. They are cover up.

George says she gave him a hug and kiss and left with Casey. He gives full details of what they're wearing. He talks of "normal" and fails to mention that he was not home that morning for a time, getting home shortly before noon.(pg. 9) That isn't denial and it isn't forgetfulness. It is cover up.

good call on the first part! the 'breathing' thing always bugged me.

as for the second part, page 9 includes the july 16th records for e-pass, not for june 16th, which was the day george gave the 'normal day/routine' info about.
 
i don't believe cindy is in denial. if cindy were in denial then she wouldn't believe this crime had been committed by her daughter and therefore would never have been involved in any kind of cover-up. if she believed casey were innocent of killing caylee there would be no need for a cover-up: no need to clean the car, no need to wash the clothes etc.
i voted yes. cindy knows, she's always known.
 
There aint no room
For the hopeless sinner
Who would hurt all mankind just
To save his own
Have pity on those
Whose chances are thinner
Cause theres no hiding place
From the kingdoms throne


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