Does Misty really not know what happened? *POLL ADDED*

[zoomom]

BBM
question about "Booze" what if she only had a "few"? Enough to knock her out a lil while only to wake up like 4 hours later?

Not that Misty was an insomniac... BUT...

Many insomniacs take a drink of whiskey or wine before bedtime in order to reduce sleep latency. While alcohol does reduce sleep latency, drinking large amounts has been shown to result in poorer quality of sleep and awakening during the night.
Alcohol consumed at bedtime, after an initial stimulating effect, may decrease the time required to fall asleep. Because of alcohol's sedating effect, many people with insomnia consume alcohol to promote sleep. However, alcohol consumed within an hour of bedtime appears to disrupt the second half of the sleep period. The subject may sleep fitfully during the second half of sleep, awakening from dreams and returning to sleep with difficulty. Kinda sounds like what MC may have been doing that night with her "dreams" and all
WHO knows? :banghead:

http://www.sleepdex.org/alcohol1.htm

I concur whole heartedly. :innocent:

 

[LuLa]

Passed out after a 3 day drug binge. Would she really have slept through something happening?

Remember according to Tommy, the cops don't believe he is being totally truthful but they do believe Misty is. :waitasec:

On one of the tapes, between Hank & Tommy, Hank said cops don't believe Misty is the one being truthful.

 

[dodie20]

That might be it and I would not be surprised if we hear she was told to lock up the house with the kids inside at 8:30 after the fight and someone would be over to watch the kids.

Misty was up, awake, and alert when Ron got home, so I don't think she was ever passed out from drugs or any weekend of partying with another man. Misty has to know what really happened since there is the issue about the blanket and now the new story about Joe. She's proved that she knows how to lie.

I tend to agree with this. If she was crashing, she wouldn't have been functionable for the 911. She sounded shaky & shocked, but not crashed or messed up. I am leaning towards her being asleep or gone. Her dad did make an early point of saying that she was almost impossible to wake up. But then why make up the wild stories of a knife at her throat...unless that happened earlier in the night. I think there's some truth to her stories, but have no idea what to weed out & what order to put the chain of events in.

 

[krowdkat]

We have to keep in mind that Misty was raised by the whole group of Croslins. From what I've heard on the tapes, Misty, ToC, Hank, Lisa...don't have a high school diploma. Much less a GED. All 4 (if I'm not mistaken) are drug users through their own admission or admissions of one of the 4 against them.

Lisa and ToC went to a neighbors and stole a gun based on news reports. These are uneducated and desperate people. I believe wholeheartedly that Misty knows exactly what happened, but she will never rat out her own family. Kind of like Gangland mentality.

Better to deny than to die from a family members sword. That's why she gives a few hints to save her own hide, but not enough to solve this case.

 

[Wendy101]

Good points on those two drugs. (I've never taken them, don't know the side effects).

Is there a record anywhere of what drugs she took on her 3 day binge??? Speed, or downers?? Or some dumb*ss combo-cocktail? I keep hearing about oxy's, but who knows what the people she partied with those 3 days had on hand, or liked to "use"? Maybe it was some stange mix she never had before. Although that wouldn't account for her appearing ok at 7 pm when the clothes got dropped off.

just thinking out loud......

There is an intrview of WBG with Art Harris. WBG talks about the drugs. I don't know where that video is though.

 

[bessie]

If I try to think of Misty as a sexually abused teenaged middle-school drop-out with delayed maturity, 3rd grade reading/writing skills, learning disabilities and a low intellect, a substance abuse problem and some serious emotional damage ...

...she starts to fall off that evil genius pedestal and starts to look like a kid that was, for a short time, pretty good at treading water in a sea of impoverished drug-addled homeless desperateness.

So, yes, I suppose she can continue to argue that she really has no idea what happened - just possible scenarious in her head planted by over-eager detectives and PIs and press and in-laws and various dubiously intentioned do-gooders.

Especially now that Tommy puts himself & Joe at the house and, it seems, Haleigh's body in the Van.

:cow:

Well, her feigned ignorance isn't fooling LE, and if she did kill Haleigh, it won't fool a jury, either. Death row is full of faux-naifs.

The bolded statement is a perfect example of her craftiness. Last night we learned from the "Tommy" tapes that Tommy and Misty were supposed to submit corroborating, sworn statements that would lead to Joe's arrest. Tommy held up his end of the bargain, but Misty reneged. So now, as you point out, Tommy has implicated Joe and admitted knowledge of Haleigh's body being in the van. To date, Misty has admitted nothing.

 

[Crosby87]

Well, if Misty does not know what happened to Haleigh, then Ron is off the hook for being her co-conspirator in Haleigh's disappearance. The only reasonable other way of looking at this IMO is that Joe O. is the one responsible. Just like Misty said at the very beginning of this lenthy ordeal. He came in when everyone was sleeping, bricked the door and took Haleigh, maybe for revenge on Ron or for sexual molestation purposes. This completely screws up my theory from the very beginning that Ron was responsible and Misty aided in the coverup. After listening to the recent tapes with Misty and Dad, I think that she just may be telling the truth.

Maybe Misty is covering up for Ronald and doesn't know because he is with holding this information from her. I haven't ruled out Ron; Lord only knows what goes on inside his head. Children move around during the night so perhaps this is why Misty gave conflicting stories about the sleeping patterns. Say for example if HaLeigh got frightened and went & crawled in her father's bed, the sleeping pattern would have changed from when Misty went to bed. It was a very simple matter to remove HaLeigh from the house that night because she was conveniently sleeping alone on her mattress on the floor. One side of the trailer was completely vacant and there were no lights on inside. I think the perp purposely kept his face turned away from Misty and Jr because they know him. Was this their normal sleeping pattern while ron worked nights? All 3 slept in the same room for safety? I believe TN told NG all 3 slept in the same room with the bedroom door open. Jr was awake in bed beside Misty and I believe he only saw the back of the perp because he concealed his identity from him. I wonder what the perp would have done if HaLeigh had not been in her bed on the floor? It appears it was a crime of perfect opportunity. The perp ran out the back door to get a head start on Misty and remain hidden. Anyone could have easily climbed in a bedroom window in one of the vacant bedrooms, and gone and unlocked the back door before they entered the bedroom and grabbed HaLeigh. Were the bedroom windows properly examined? The possibilities in this case are endless. Was Ron able to enter the backdoor with a key or does it have to be unlocked or unbolted from the inside first? Ron said he is the only person with a key to the backdoor. Joe has a lawyer and was smart to stay out of trouble when he returned to TN. I think Ron turned the kitchen light on to make everything appear normal that night. Whose fingerprints were on the kitchen light switch? If Ron is guilty, he must love having Jo as a scapegoat or alibi.

 

[Baznme]

I doubt the doors were locked much when Misty was there with the kids. She seemed to have that "it'll never happen to me" attitude so why bother. As far as I can tell, there were no fingerprints on the doorknobs, lightswitches, etc. other than the people living in the mobile home. It's only my perception at this point but I'm getting the feeling that Misty is less inclined to go with the Joe story now that Ron has decided to testify against her on the drug charges. That means prison time is going to be more solid and possibly longer in duration so now she's begun to point out just how rusty his halo really is. Rumor has it according to Hank Sr. that Ron snuck out of work that night. I wish THAT potential tipster would come out of the woodwork!

 

[zoey]

Amnesia (blackout) is a documented side effect of, among many others, Ambien and Halcyon:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambien

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triazolam

And just from what I've seen--people generally crash hard after a three day binge. From what I've seen all they want to do is sleep. And it's also very possible that Misty also took something Monday afternoon or Monday evening.

That she could have been passed out cold is a real possibility and it's more believable to me that she was passed out than that she just let Joe and/or Tommy take Haleigh.

along with that didn't tommy and her also smoke a joint????? That should also do something :waitasec:

 

[gngr~snap]

along with that didn't tommy and her also smoke a joint????? That should also do something :waitasec:

OK! I just had a thought... about how Tommy could be involved in this... and it is JUST A THOUGHT! Could Misty have, at some time before RC went to work have been drugged? RC calling Tommy to go check on Misty sounds like MAYBE he needed to know if she was "out" before he entered the home. If he did leave work that night? Can't say why he would want to harm Haleigh... I really don't believe in my heart that he did BUT... he was having major problems with her and her attendence at school. If he really was "shooting up" as Misty relayed... did he just get rid of her so that he wouldn't have to answer to the school and CRS and Crystal anymore? I know it makes no sense but if he was deep into drugs would his thinking even be logical? WOW! I am more confused now than ever! Even the date 2/9/2009 seems almost planned. MOO!

 

[4Jacy]

Good points on those two drugs. (I've never taken them, don't know the side effects).

Is there a record anywhere of what drugs she took on her 3 day binge??? Speed, or downers?? Or some dumb*ss combo-cocktail? I keep hearing about oxy's, but who knows what the people she partied with those 3 days had on hand, or liked to "use"? Maybe it was some stange mix she never had before. Although that wouldn't account for her appearing ok at 7 pm when the clothes got dropped off.

just thinking out loud......

Why not interrogate WBG about what drugs were taken that weekend. They have him in jail, it should be very easy. And how about NayNay. She was very willing to talk initially, and where is she now?

I think in the end, if there ever is one, that we have made this case more complicated than it actually is.

 

[gngr~snap]

Why not interrogate WBG about what drugs were taken that weekend. They have him in jail, it should be very easy. And how about NayNay. She was very willing to talk initially, and where is she now?

I think in the end, if there ever is one, that we have made this case more complicated than it actually is.

BBM~
So how can we start over? Without the discovery that LE has? IMO we can't yet... but in the event that someone is charged... and we get documents, I hope to see a thread started that says "begining from day one.. what happened?"

 

[Baznme]

That might be it and I would not be surprised if we hear she was told to lock up the house with the kids inside at 8:30 after the fight and someone would be over to watch the kids.

Possible but not probable since it's been said that RC had the only key to the house. Doesn't make much sense if it was someone watching your kids and you needed to be gone once in a while with them. You would want to make sure they had a way to lock up and unlock upon return....but, that would be another sign of an irresponsible parent. Total control without any common sense.

If she (MC) wasn't there, she truly doesn't know what happened to Haleigh. If it was Joe that took her, which by the way, I am leaning toward since Tommy did pass the latest LDT. Ron thought it was someone from the drug world and was willing to accept that after about 3 weeks. Pathetic to say, but his drugs came first so he went into protection mode but not for the kids, for the drugs. So, she's protecting him because he was at the point of shooting up so bad that he could have killed himself AND feeling responsible because she knows she wasn't where she was supposed to be but can't admit that or RC would kill her. He's in protection mode because he has to keep his drug world a secret and the supply coming. Nothing can disrupt that so he dries up the tears, gets married, gets a tattoo in tribute to Haleigh, abandons his job, keeps his hand out for all those do gooders that are handing him money and complains about the media trying to keep the focus on his daughter. Eleven months later, he's back into the "business as usual" and gets caught in the sting with the UC cops. That was the last straw for me. He should have never had those kids to begin with but that's a whole other story. So, who's responsible? They all are. Misty for not caring for the kids as she was supposed to. Ron for putting his drugs before his kids. TN for not taking those kids that night. How different would things be now if she had. Tommy for keeping what he knew a secret for over a year. This was a 5 yr. old child? No one was willing to fight for her? It just sickens me. Misty needs to tell everything she knows about Ron and I mean EVERYTHING before she gets totally thrown under the bus that Ron is clearly driving.

 

[gngr~snap]

Possible but not probable since it's been said that RC had the only key to the house. Doesn't make much sense if it was someone watching your kids and you needed to be gone once in a while with them. You would want to make sure they had a way to lock up and unlock upon return....but, that would be another sign of an irresponsible parent. Total control without any common sense.

If she (MC) wasn't there, she truly doesn't know what happened to Haleigh. If it was Joe that took her, which by the way, I am leaning toward since Tommy did pass the latest LDT. Ron thought it was someone from the drug world and was willing to accept that after about 3 weeks. Pathetic to say, but his drugs came first so he went into protection mode but not for the kids, for the drugs. So, she's protecting him because he was at the point of shooting up so bad that he could have killed himself AND feeling responsible because she knows she wasn't where she was supposed to be but can't admit that or RC would kill her. He's in protection mode because he has to keep his drug world a secret and the supply coming. Nothing can disrupt that so he dries up the tears, gets married, gets a tattoo in tribute to Haleigh, abandons his job, keeps his hand out for all those do gooders that are handing him money and complains about the media trying to keep the focus on his daughter. Eleven months later, he's back into the "business as usual" and gets caught in the sting with the UC cops. That was the last straw for me. He should have never had those kids to begin with but that's a whole other story. So, who's responsible? They all are. Misty for not caring for the kids as she was supposed to. Ron for putting his drugs before his kids. TN for not taking those kids that night. How different would things be now if she had. Tommy for keeping what he knew a secret for over a year. This was a 5 yr. old child? No one was willing to fight for her? It just sickens me. Misty needs to tell everything she knows about Ron and I mean EVERYTHING before she gets totally thrown under the bus that Ron is clearly driving.

BBM~
sadly IMO she would have only delayed the inevitable...

 

[Crosby87]

Good points on those two drugs. (I've never taken them, don't know the side effects).

Is there a record anywhere of what drugs she took on her 3 day binge??? Speed, or downers?? Or some dumb*ss combo-cocktail? I keep hearing about oxy's, but who knows what the people she partied with those 3 days had on hand, or liked to "use"? Maybe it was some stange mix she never had before. Although that wouldn't account for her appearing ok at 7 pm when the clothes got dropped off.

just thinking out loud......

In this interview, WBG at the 1:35 mm says Misty took cocaine and Roxies over the weekend. He didn't mention marijuana or alcohol.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/03/exclusive-white-boy-greg-and-misty-cummings/

 

[sellen75]

IMO Misty was either drinking or drugging the night Haleigh went missing. She just got back from the 3-day binge and if I remember correctly, she was complaining about bad drugs at the bus stop (or so it was stated). Someone who is an addict is going to be looking for their next high especially after taking drugs that don't give the affect you are expecting. It's their way to escape. That coupled with the fact that she did not want to babysit, her mind wasn't on sleep. It was on how can I get the "good" drugs that give the effect I want or how can I get my next high. She wouldn't be able to stay in the house with the kids playing mom all happily without a care and not be feining.

It got to her and she wanted her escape so IMO she either left the trailer to go get drugs or there were others in the trailer that were drugging with her. It just seems the only logical explanation but what is logical with this group?

 

[Cowdaddy]

In this interview, WBG at the 1:35 mm says Misty took cocaine and Roxies over the weekend. He didn't mention marijuana or alcohol.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/03/exclusive-white-boy-greg-and-misty-cummings/

I could be hearing things, but in this interview, at about 1:37, Art asks,

Art: So she was doing cocaine that night?
WBG:Yeah, yeah, needles and all kinds of $hit.
Art: Say what again?
WBG: Shooting pills and all kinds of . . ..

The last three lines are between 1:43 and 1:50.

Ir would be surprising if these people didn't uses needles, at least at times, because it is a much more efficient means of getting the drug into the brain.

It's the cocaine that would have kept the binge going, not the Roxies. There is no such thing as a three day Roxie binge, unless you'd consider three days of being high and sleeping a lot a binge.

 

[Kimster]

Are you guys discussing that maybe she was so high that she doesn't remember what happened?

Being an old "flower child" and knowing many people who used drugs heavily back in the day, I have never heard of someone who "forgot" because they were on drugs. I have heard of people who black out on alcohol, but aren't they usually long time alcoholics? I'm not sure on that one.

I honestly don't know about today's drugs. I'm still going to have to see some strong evidence before I'm going to believe she blacked out for whatever reason.

 

[gngr~snap]

I'm thinking we are talking about stone cold passed out! MOO

But as far as drugs ambien is a good option... it's great for sleep just pray you don't wake up on it because you will have very little recall if any... If she took that I'd believe her. anything else not so much... MOO

 

[Cowdaddy]

Good points on those two drugs. (I've never taken them, don't know the side effects).
I keep hearing about oxy's, but who knows what the people she partied with those 3 days had on hand, or liked to "use"? Maybe it was some stange mix she never had before. Although that wouldn't account for her appearing ok at 7 pm when the clothes got dropped off.
just thinking out loud......

The drugs on the 3 day binge--odds are she did nothing she hadn't done before. The thing is that somebody coming off a three day binge can appear very normal upon a casual observation. Believe it or not, somebody who just took a hit off a crackpipe or somebody who just took the spike out of their arm after shooting a large does of opiates can also appear very normal upon casual observation. People are used to observing people under the effects of alcohol--and the outside effects of alcohol are much more pronounced than a lot of other drugs. Other central nervous system depressants such as tranquilizers and sleep medications result in observable effects similar to alcohol, but picking up on somebody using cocaine, meth, or opiates is often not as simple. I've seen Ron and Misty on some of the videos where I'm sure they are wasted, but they are standing up there, coherent, answering questions, and behaving generally well within normal ranges of behavior.

TN's description of Misty's condition doesn't mean much to me because TN could be telling the complete truth about what she observed, but that would not tell the whole story. Somebody coming off a three day binge might not appear dead on their feet. If you look close enough, you can see that they are dragging their feet a bit, but you might have to look for this.

My take on the binge--if they call it a binge, that means no sleep, and no sleep means the binge was driven by stimulants, either cocaine or meth or both. When it was over, Misty was ready to crash and that was probably all she wanted to do. When people lay down in coming off a binge, they often go down fast and hard. They might sleep 4 or 5 hours and get up and go back to sleep, or they might sleep 12 hours straight.