Does Pam Paugh Know Anything About JB's Murder?

[BlueCrab]

it's wayyyyy to soft for a man, or even a young man to have written it...it was obv. written by a woman...and the linguistics and nature of it match PR to a T.

JMO,

The note was way too soft? I don'y think so. I counted 12 distinct threats in the note to kill JonBenet. None of the theats were necessary. The mere fact that the writer said JonBenet was kidnapped should have been sufficient. The tough verbiage IMO was overdone, a juvenile trait.

If you meant by "soft" that the note was too courteous to have been written by a kidnapper, I agree. Children from educated families are usually courteous.

BlueCrab

 

[Solace]

JMO,

The note was way too soft? I don'y think so. I counted 12 distinct threats in the note to kill JonBenet. None of the theats were necessary. The mere fact that the writer said JonBenet was kidnapped should have been sufficient. The tough verbiage IMO was overdone, a juvenile trait.

If you meant by "soft" that the note was too courteous to have been written by a kidnapper, I agree. Children from educated families are usually courteous. Sarcasm isn't necessary.

BlueCrab

Blue Crab,

I don't think JMO was referring to it as too courteous. It sounds like a woman, certain phrases, telling them to get some rest. It sounds like a woman.

 

[BlueCrab]

Blue Crab,

I don't think JMO was referring to it as too courteous. It sounds like a woman, certain phrases, telling them to get some rest. It sounds like a woman.

Solace,

I think the tone of the note was that of a naive young male. He was borrowing famous phrases from recent movies. A female writer would'nt have used all those trite phrases from action movies.

BlueCrab

 

[BBB167893]

I have some quotes from Robert Ressler on the subject if anyone wants them.

Back to Aunt Pam for a sec. I probably shouldn't do this, but in a rare moment of interest, my mother (bless her heart) opined on the subject.

"David," says she, "don't waste your time on the parents. The fat ungly sister did it."

You practically had to scrape my jaw off the floor!

 

[Solace]

Solace,

I think the tone of the note was that of a naive young male. He was borrowing famous phrases from recent movies. A female writer would'nt have used all those trite phrases from action movies.

BlueCrab

A ten year old male? Pretty good handwriting for a ten-year old, don't you think.

Patsy loves the word "hence". Sounds very trite to me. But she uses it all the time. Even in the Ransom note. How many people do you know use the word hence?

 

[icedtea4me]

What young boy around Burke's age is going to use one of these "v" on top of the sentence to insert a word?


-Tea

 

[Solace]

What young boy around Burke's age is going to use one of these "v" on top of the sentence to insert a word?


-Tea

And what young boy is going to have a handwriting that advanced? Just how Listen Carefully is printed tells me it is not a child.

 

[icedtea4me]

And what young boy is going to have a handwriting that advanced? Just how Listen Carefully is printed tells me it is not a child.

Most definitely, Solace. Nor would a person this age have any thoughts about any "proper burial".


-Tea

 

[Solace]

Most definitely, Solace. Nor would a person this age have any thoughts about any "proper burial".


-Tea

Blue Crab,

Are you reading any of this?

 

[BlueCrab]

Blue Crab,

Are you reading any of this?

Solace,

Yes, I am. But nothing I haven't heard before. Don't forget that in my main theory there may have been more than just a fifth person who had been invited into the house that night. There could have been a sixth person as well -- and that person would have been a young adult who authored some or maybe all of the note. He may also be the killer. I can't use any names here, but I don't believe that older person has ever been given a handwriting examination. The investigators didn't even know he existed until the Atlanta interviews in 2000.

BlueCrab

 

[Solace]

Solace,

Yes, I am. But nothing I haven't heard before. Don't forget that in my main theory there may have been more than just a fifth person who had been invited into the house that night. There could have been a sixth person as well -- and that person would have been a young adult who authored some or maybe all of the note. He may also be the killer. I can't use any names here, but I don't believe that older person has ever been given a handwriting examination. The investigators didn't even know he existed until the Atlanta interviews in 2000.

BlueCrab

And I assume you would be open to a lawsuit if you named someone who has not been named already by the police and therefore fair game?

 

[BlueCrab]

And I assume you would be open to a lawsuit if you named someone who has not been named already by the police and therefore fair game?

Sort of.

 

[Solace]

Sort of.

Oh, well not to worry. It is not him anyway. It is Patsy.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

I really have a hard time seeing a child or even a young man throwing in the bit about the "two gentlemen" watching over JonBenet or the suggestion that JR be well-rested. That's a woman and a mother talking. All of those big words spelled correctly, the edit with "v" mark, the use of attaché, right down to the accent mark over the E...that wasn't a child or a young man, that was a Francophile woman who doesn't have any idea what a real RN sounds like but was well-taught in grammar and writing and can't stop herself from being overly dramatic and elaborate.

 

[BlueCrab]

I really have a hard time seeing a child or even a young man throwing in the bit about the "two gentlemen" watching over JonBenet or the suggestion that JR be well-rested. That's a woman and a mother talking. All of those big words spelled correctly, the edit with "v" mark, the use of attaché, right down to the accent mark over the E...that wasn't a child or a young man, that was a Francophile woman who doesn't have any idea what a real RN sounds like but was well-taught in grammar and writing and can't stop herself from being overly dramatic and elaborate.

Nuisanceposter,

Then why couldn't six professional document examiners eliminate him as the possible writer of the ransom note?

BlueCrab

 

[Solace]

Nuisanceposter,

Then why couldn't six professional document examiners eliminate him as the possible writer of the ransom note?

BlueCrab

BlueCrab:

There are two books out by Andrew Hodges. I have them. Not quite sure what I think of them yet, BUT, the reason I mention them is this. In one of the books, he has four pictures (maybe five) drawn by Berke. If you see the pictures, you would realize that someone who draws like this COULD NOT POSSIBLY have written as well as the person writing the ransom note. There is no way a child of 9 would write "listen carefully" as well as it is written in that ransom note. NO WAY.

 

[laini]

BlueCrab:

There are two books out by Andrew Hodges. I have them. Not quite sure what I think of them yet, BUT, the reason I mention them is this. In one of the books, he has four pictures (maybe five) drawn by Berke. If you see the pictures, you would realize that someone who draws like this COULD NOT POSSIBLY have written as well as the person writing the ransom note. There is no way a child of 9 would write "listen carefully" as well as it is written in that ransom note. NO WAY.

Solace,
I am reading Hodges' book right now- the one titled "A Very Bad Mother" or something like that. Though I think he is full of crap and his book is almost too silly to read seriously, it is an intresting read in parts. I do think Patsy probably wrote the note. Have you read the book yet? What do you think?

I have to laugh, though, when he analyzes each sentance of the RN and says "it could mean this! Or this! Or this! Or if you take the first letter of this word, and the first letter of this word, you come up with the name of her first grade teacher! Yep, Patsy wrote it!" I cracks me up.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

Nuisanceposter,

Then why couldn't six professional document examiners eliminate him as the possible writer of the ransom note?

BlueCrab

Can I request more details, please, BlueCrab? Who are these six, and who were they able to eliminate? On what reasons were they unable to eliminate Burke?

 

[Solace]

Solace,
I am reading Hodges' book right now- the one titled "A Very Bad Mother" or something like that. Though I think he is full of crap and his book is almost too silly to read seriously, it is an intresting read in parts. I do think Patsy probably wrote the note. Have you read the book yet? What do you think?

I have to laugh, though, when he analyzes each sentance of the RN and says "it could mean this! Or this! Or this! Or if you take the first letter of this word, and the first letter of this word, you come up with the name of her first grade teacher! Yep, Patsy wrote it!" I cracks me up.

Hi Laini, The reason I bought the books was because I really do believe in the subconscious and that it pretty much rules what we do. HOWEVER, Dr. Hodges loses my attention immediately when he says Patsy was obsessed with "babies", his reason being is that she said "keep your babies close to you" and two other times she mentions babies. That is very annoying to me and at that point I want to put the book right down. I do not think the word bussiness connoted something sexual because of the meaning of "buss". It could be but then again the person who wrote it is under considerable stress and bound to make spelling mistakes that do not have anything to do with incest.

No Laini, I was pretty much disappointed. I have not finished either of them. He also gets very nasty when people do not agree with him and goes on for a chapter about that. It is ridiculous. Who gives a sh$% who disagrees with you. If you have something to say and can back it up, that is what I want to read, not how angry you are at someone disagreeing with you.

 

[BlueCrab]

Can I request more details, please, BlueCrab? Who are these six, and who were they able to eliminate? On what reasons were they unable to eliminate Burke?

Nuisanceposter,

Boulder authorities appointed the six qualified document examiners to examine writing samples from 73 suspects. The six were:

Chet Ubowski, Colorado Bureau of Investigation

Leonard Speckin, private examiner

Edwin Alfred, Jr, private examiner

Lloyd Cunningham, private examiner

Richard Dusak, U.S. Secret Service, and

Howard Rile, private examiner.

The six were the only QDE's who who had the original ransom note to work with (The note was later destroyed by the CBI while attempting to chemically lift fingerprints from it).

The results of the 73 examinations, given in December of 1996, were never released to the public. However, from the examinations the authorities selectively and publicly cleared John Ramsey as the writer and stated that Patsy Ramsey came very close to being eliminated as the writer but could not be eliminated. An undisclosed number of other suspects who were examined also could not be cleared as the possible writer.

But in a 3/6/97 affidavit to the court to get a search warrant for the Ramseys Charlevoix house in Michigan to look for historical Ramsey handwriting samples, the CBI and the cops cryptographically worded it this way:

o "The analysis of the handwriting samples obtained from John Ramsey showed "indications" that John Ramsey did not write the reported ransom note."

o "The analysis of the handwriting samples obtained from Burke Ramsey showed that it was "probable" that Burke Ramsey did not write the reported ransom note."

0 "The analysis of the handwriting samples obtained from Patsy Ramsey showed "indications" which suggest that Patsy Ramsey may have written the reported ransom note."

The wording was intentionally not made clear, but we know that John had already been eliminated as the writer by the QDE's, so why weren't John's and Burke's analyses worded the same?

BlueCrab