Does Pam Paugh Know Anything About JB's Murder?

[Solace]

no,it's a different one that why_nut posted(he posted that one as well though),it had her pic on it,with an interviewer set to talk to her..I'll see if I can find it.

Thanks JMO.

 

[JMO8778]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MhOM5hk_ihE

<cough,cough> on the whole thing,is all I can say...she knew better!

 

[Solace]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MhOM5hk_ihE

<cough,cough> on the whole thing,is all I can say...she knew better!

This is the interview with Pam Paugh, but it was interesting too.

 

[Toltec]

This is the interview with Pam Paugh, but it was interesting too.

Looks like she lost some weight...no more Aunt Spam

 

[BBB167893]

Lol, Dave, your mother probably would have no problem with a scenario where the 'fat ugly sister' was wearing Patsy's jacket when fashioning the garrote ("Pam aways wanted to wear expensive clothes like Patsy - so this was a unique opportunity for her!")

Firstly, I think my mum should be given a break on this, if for no other reason than she doesn't know half as much about the case as we do. And she doesn't need the stress of an argument right now.

That said, she'll admit all she has is a hunch, so go easy, okay?

But, I have to admit, it would be difficult enough for a string bean to navigate the house, take the clothing, put it on, do the deed, etc., let alone this woman. Plus, if that were the case, she was the girl's aunt. She could have picked a much better opportunity.

 

[goddess]

I have never known a nine year old boy that liked stuffed animals. Good point about them being cut at the seams...and stuffed with evidence, thats probably where JB's original panties that she wore to the Whites are....along with the rest of the rope, and tape that was used.

I am 37 and I still have stuffed animals from childhood. I also have a sixteen yr old son who has stuffed animals on his dresser he would cry if he lost.

 

[DeeDee249]

Where was it said that BR's stuffed animals were ripped at the seams? Yes, that could very well be where much of the evidence (which was of a small size, after all) could have been hidden. LE was looking in toilet bowls and plumbing and there it could have been in toys and the pockets of the R's coats that they wore out of the house that day. Of course, the crime scene (and JBR's body) were turned back over to the R's WAY too soon. But ther were "victims", weren't they? Makes me sick.

 

[Dru]

Where was it said that BR's stuffed animals were ripped at the seams? Yes, that could very well be where much of the evidence (which was of a small size, after all) could have been hidden. LE was looking in toilet bowls and plumbing and there it could have been in toys and the pockets of the R's coats that they wore out of the house that day. Of course, the crime scene (and JBR's body) were turned back over to the R's WAY too soon. But ther were "victims", weren't they? Makes me sick.

For myself, I've always been suspicious of that solitary walk JR took the night of the 26th. How easy would it be to get rid of a pair of size six girls' underwear--in a storm drain, in someone else's trash, in a pond, or even buried in a bit of snow--by the time the snow melted the R's expected to be out of the country. That they didn't end up having to do that was just icing on the cake for them.

 

[JMO8778]

Where was it said that BR's stuffed animals were ripped at the seams? Yes, that could very well be where much of the evidence (which was of a small size, after all) could have been hidden. LE was looking in toilet bowls and plumbing and there it could have been in toys and the pockets of the R's coats that they wore out of the house that day. Of course, the crime scene (and JBR's body) were turned back over to the R's WAY too soon. But ther were "victims", weren't they? Makes me sick.

it wasn't,I'm just guessing,since PP had them in her lap after her raid of the house.

 

[Solace]

For myself, I've always been suspicious of that solitary walk JR took the night of the 26th. How easy would it be to get rid of a pair of size six girls' underwear--in a storm drain, in someone else's trash, in a pond, or even buried in a bit of snow--by the time the snow melted the R's expected to be out of the country. That they didn't end up having to do that was just icing on the cake for them.

Dru, What solitary walk did he take. Could you expound. I don't recall this. Thanks.

 

[JMO8778]

I read that Fernie and someone else,I don't recall whom right now,took him for a walk just to get him out of the house and help w the stress and grief he was feeling,but yes,I wonder if he did take a walk alone as well?

 

[Dru]

Dru, What solitary walk did he take. Could you expound. I don't recall this. Thanks.

This is from PMPT, supposedly (I don't have a copy of the book) p. 21 of the hardback edition:

"Michael Bynum, John Ramsey’s close friend and corporate attorney, who had been away snowshoeing, now arrived at the Fernies’ house. As he walked in, the family was kneeling in the living room praying with Rev. Hoverstock. Around 7:00 P.M. John Ramsey went for a walk with John Fernie and Dr. Francesco Beuf, JonBenet’s physician, who had brought over some medication for Patsy. When they returned a half hour later, Ramsey asked Bynum to represent him.

“I’m sorry, I’m so sorry,” Ramsey told his friends over and over. Then, just after 8:00, he left alone to take a walk in the nearby foothills."

 

[DeeDee249]

And dispose of some evidence, ya think? Maybe the size 6 panties, missing paintbrush piece, etc. Small things that could fit in a coat pocket. Or UNDER a coat.

 

[Solace]

And dispose of some evidence, ya think? Maybe the size 6 panties, missing paintbrush piece, etc. Small things that could fit in a coat pocket. Or UNDER a coat.

No because he was never alone, the police were always close by. They did hear him say I am so sorry. Also, he would not take that chance. By now, he is definitely getting his wits about him - so much so that he has hired separate lawyers for himself and Patsy.

 

[JMO8778]

This is from PMPT, supposedly (I don't have a copy of the book) p. 21 of the hardback edition:

"Michael Bynum, John Ramsey’s close friend and corporate attorney, who had been away snowshoeing, now arrived at the Fernies’ house. As he walked in, the family was kneeling in the living room praying with Rev. Hoverstock. Around 7:00 P.M. John Ramsey went for a walk with John Fernie and Dr. Francesco Beuf, JonBenet’s physician, who had brought over some medication for Patsy. When they returned a half hour later, Ramsey asked Bynum to represent him.

“I’m sorry, I’m so sorry,” Ramsey told his friends over and over. Then, just after 8:00, he left alone to take a walk in the nearby foothills."

thx !

 

[Solace]

thx !

I have to interject here. According to Steve Thomas, he was not alone, the police walked close by. Neither he nor Patsy were left alone that night. Also, for the record, there are many instances where Lawrence Schiller's facts are exactly the opposite. His book is good, it is, but his research is lacking at times.

 

[JMO8778]

I have to interject here. According to Steve Thomas, he was not alone, the police walked close by. Neither he nor Patsy were left alone that night. Also, for the record, there are many instances where Lawrence Schiller's facts are exactly the opposite. His book is good, it is, but his research is lacking at times.

that makes sense b/c LE wouldn't want to risk letting him out of their site.
I haven't read all of PMPT..it's a lot of info packed into one book,and IMO,it isn't organized very well.
The movie was even worse...from the picture of them I get from reading about them,the character 'John' appeared to be far too laid -back,and the character for Patsy seemed to be wayy to nice.
It may have been the perfect town,but it wasn't a perfect murder,far from it.

 

[DeeDee249]

I felt the same way about the movie PMPT. Marg Helgenberger was way too nice and seemed miscast. The "dead" JBR looked, well, like a dept. store dummy, which I understand was used to spare the child who played JBR the trauma of having to play a corpse. I also feel, that although the "JR" portrayal was pretty good, he did seem much less snarky. I'd have liked to see more input from the FW character, and possibly interviews with real people connected to the case (like Judith Miller, or LHP).

 

[JMO8778]

I felt the same way about the movie PMPT. Marg Helgenberger was way too nice and seemed miscast. The "dead" JBR looked, well, like a dept. store dummy, which I understand was used to spare the child who played JBR the trauma of having to play a corpse. I also feel, that although the "JR" portrayal was pretty good, he did seem much less snarky. I'd have liked to see more input from the FW character, and possibly interviews with real people connected to the case (like Judith Miller, or LHP).

me too.
yes,JR was typecast as more of a passive victim,rather than the active, self-preserving person he was after the murder.

But I got the feeling that something wasn't right,right at the beginning of the movie..it was the morning after Christmas,in a very peaceful town,it was a very quiet,calm morning...then out of the blue,Patsy calls 911 around 6 am,hollering a about 'kidnapping'...then LE arrives,with a frantic portrayal of Patsy hollering some more about a ransom note,(with JR generally calm and quiet)..you can sense right off the bat there were no terrorists thugs,no groups of ppl who wanted to KN JB that night in Boulder...it really emphasized just how silly the whole situation must have been portrayed by the R's,right off the bat.

It was akin to having them stand in the middle of a desert,screaming someone KN their daughter,and the intruders must have went --> that-a-way,after scribbling a note in the sand while they were asleep.

Silly,just silly.

 

[JMO8778]

And Ann-Margaret was way too classy to play Nedra,IMO.I'm surprised she didn't have it engraved on her headstone, 'Nedra,as played by Ann-Margaret in the movie,PMPT',b/f she died.