Does Pam Paugh Know Anything About JB's Murder?

Does Pam Paugh Know Anything About JB's Murder?

  • Yes, She Knows Way More Than She Is Saying....

    Votes: 185 70.9%
  • No, She Doesn't Know A Thing....

    Votes: 27 10.3%
  • I Have No Idea!

    Votes: 49 18.8%

  • Total voters
    261
Not only that, but police lent her a jacket that said "police" on it so as not to attract attention. Isn't that a crime in itself- a non-LE wearing any part of a police uniform?

Little bit off topic: Those of you who follow the Haleigh Cummings case know that when TN (her paternal grandmother) showed up at her home the night she went missing, she had on one of those "POLICE" jackets. Things that make you go hmmm.....
 
I think I would have made one exception and that was clothes for the funeral for the family. Pam could have retrieved them but only that and even then under close scrutiny.
even so,they didn't need it.Patsy says in their book a dept store sent over the funeral clothing.that's where the black veil came from that she wore.
 
It's been said that she wore that black veil because Jackie Kennedy wore won to her husband's funeral, but I bet it was more to hide the expressions on her face more than anything else.
 
It's been said that she wore that black veil because Jackie Kennedy wore won to her husband's funeral, but I bet it was more to hide the expressions on her face more than anything else.

I recall that Patsy said that she had Jackie Kennedy in her veil in mind when she decided to wear that veil. It was a deliberate attempt to copy Jackie, not accidental.
 
PR,NP, and the Auntie PP'S, are all nuttier then jiff peanut butter. Hey, if Aunt PP, went to the house to gather things for the R's why did the store have to send anything over? I mean Patsy O, didn't have anything black at home? How about those pants she wore two days in a row, weren't they black?
 
PR,NP, and the Auntie PP'S, are all nuttier then jiff peanut butter. Hey, if Aunt PP, went to the house to gather things for the R's why did the store have to send anything over? I mean Patsy O, didn't have anything black at home? How about those pants she wore two days in a row, weren't they black?

I have to say I thought of this very thing years ago. A local shop sent clothes for the family. However, as we know, Patsy wanted JB buried in a tiara and pageant dress, so I can understand PP going in for whatever was needed for JB. NOT a whole patrol car full (and I read once that it was more than one patrol car she filled).
 
PR,NP, and the Auntie PP'S, are all nuttier then jiff peanut butter.

That's something we ALL can agree on!

Hey, if Aunt PP, went to the house to gather things for the R's why did the store have to send anything over? I mean Patsy O, didn't have anything black at home? How about those pants she wore two days in a row, weren't they black?

You really know how to cut to the chase, Agatha.
 
Okay, I'm having a long and sleepless night. My earlier attempts at debate failed miserably. So, I stayed to myself and did some reading. Low and behold, I've found some interesting things, some discrepancies, some out right lies, and more. Oh, and all involve Auntie PP.

7 . "WOW _ THIS IS NEWS!!!"
Posted by jameson on Nov-02-99 at 02:49 PM (EST)

"Did the killer bring a Santa Suit in the duffel bag that was found that he changed into--perfect cover and disguise---or did he wear it into the house with the hi-tec boots?"

PP: Excellent question!!! The Ramseys did not own a Santa outfit!!!


Emphatically!!!!!!!! She denies it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

- A 5-inch by 8-inch legal pad and various notepads, one of which police believe is the pad the ransom note was written on; pens and pencils; the white blanket that was over JonBent's body when she was found in the wine cellar; a Santa Claus suit; newspaper and magazine articles; a sleeping mask; golf clubs; U.S. Navy Officer Candidate school book; a toilet seat lid; cigarette butts; a letter to Santa; "My Science Project'' from Burke's room; window grate and pieces of a broken window in the basement; JonBenét's bedding; a broken paint brush; rope from the backyard; pink Barbie nightgown that was reportedly found next to JonBenét's body; carpeting; green garland, like that found in JonBenét's hair; articles of JonBenét's clothing; baseball bats; a flash light; and door locks.
- Witnesses even saw a Boulder detective carrying a door out of the Ramsey's Chautauqua Park home during the investigation.
- More than a year after JonBenét's death, her parents gave police the clothing they were wearing the night they put her to bed around 10 p.m.
Copyright 1999 The Denver Post. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

http://extras.denverpost.com/news/ram1014k.htm

Yet, one is in evidence, why does she need to lie?


You see...I have been in theater for years and there are many many areas behind a stage curtain where children can be injured. Wires, ropes, electrical items, props, ladders, hot bulbs, scaffolding, etc....

She didn't lie, she was just acting... There is a difference you know?
 
Someone help me figure out, just exactly when the party was. It seems no one knew.

Interview transcript from acandyrose



9 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, we had it, it was a
10 surprise party, it was in early December. Her
11 birthday is not until the 29th of December, but we
12 had a surprise birthday party in early December.

PP: The last time I was in Boulder prior to that December would have been, let me think, October 9th through 11th. I was there ah, it was a surprise weekend. John had planned a surprise fortieth birthday party for Patsy. And my entire family was there. We flew in for it.

JBM Page 102

"I next saw Patsy when I was invited to Boulder for her surprise 40th Birthday party. Even though Patsy's birthday wasn't until December, John had decided to have the party in November because of the busy holidays coming up.

Portion of JP Letter:

“Early last November there was a surprise birthday party for Patsy. Her birthday is in late December, but the family was going to be back east, so the party was in November.

So who's right? and whats up with the discrepancies? I know its stupid but why can't these people remember anything and the time between when PP was at the party and everyone else has me kinda scared for her. Can we say CookaChoo (and I mean that in the nicest of ways)...

http://www.acandyrose.com/s-pam-paugh.htm
 
29 . "answers for Maikai - including a wow..."
Posted by jameson on Nov-03-99 at 04:02 PM (EST)

"*Were there any items missing from the Ramsey's home? In other words, did the killer take anything that the Ramsey's are aware of?"

Several items were taken....which I must not mention.

"*Was there a red heart drawn around a newspaper clipping of John Ramsey, and if so, do the Ramsey's know who drew it?"

Yes there was a heart drawn around John's face with "NO" written over his face. And NO they do not know who wrote it.





Alright, first I want to know, what was missing? What had been taken? Has anyone heard this before? The symbol of the heart means love and if you look at doodle analysis it will tell you the same thing. On JBR, we know a heart was drawn and again on JR's face and with a no. This makes me think more of a woman that loves her husband and her child. She has found out something terrible and expresses it with hearts on the two and a NO on the perpetrator in the crime of broken hearts.
 
30 . "Reply for Bluefire"
Posted by jameson on Nov-03-99 at 04:04 PM (EST)

"Sorry to have you have to aske such aquestion but the following is from an article in the Enquirer, same source as the Barbie nightgown as security blanket story. Does this sound like JonBenét at all? " Hoffmann-Pugh disclosed that JonBenet was terribly embarrassed to be seen naked by anyone, including her daughter Ariana. "If I happened to walk in on her and she had her top off, she'd make a face and quickly fold her arms over her chest and turn away from me," the housekeeper recalled. "It was very clear that she was alarmed and didn't want anyone seeing her chest, even though she was completely undeveloped."

I think this confirms my knowledge that Ariana was not "close" with JonBenet.

for example....even at my age 40. I would not cover myself if my girlfriend of 35 years came in my room.....and eventhough I have spent time in person with Jameson....and I feel comfortable with her, I would cover myself under the same situation.

JonBenet NEVER covered herself when I was with her (with one exception; and the BPD are aware of this and the facts surrounding it).


Wat up Homie's, what was that exception, does anyone know? Most curious????????
 
LK Transcripts.... .

PP: Because Larry, the fact is they do not have the expertise to find this person. I'm sure Dr. Lee will tell you, if he's aware, of the many mistakes that were made during the autopsy, of the many mistakes that were made in collecting evidence in the home. I know of an example where one of the detectives went to the home to collect mouth swabbings, and he walked out with the swab in his hand. It wasn't even properly packaged or labeled. What do you make of this?

What do we make of this? Was it re-swabbed? If not then how do we know, that DNA wasn't contaminated? Does anyone know abut this?

I warned you, it was a long night. Believe it or not I have more, but I think this was enough. Thank you for getting me through the night.
 
LK Transcripts.... .

PP: Because Larry, the fact is they do not have the expertise to find this person. I'm sure Dr. Lee will tell you, if he's aware, of the many mistakes that were made during the autopsy, of the many mistakes that were made in collecting evidence in the home. I know of an example where one of the detectives went to the home to collect mouth swabbings, and he walked out with the swab in his hand. It wasn't even properly packaged or labeled. What do you make of this?

What do we make of this? Was it re-swabbed? If not then how do we know, that DNA wasn't contaminated? Does anyone know abut this?

I warned you, it was a long night. Believe it or not I have more, but I think this was enough. Thank you for getting me through the night.

Pam Pawn, oh sorry Paugh, made sure we the public knew all the faults of the investigation (her account of them anyway, always law enforcement looking clumsy and bad, R's standing by to help in any way looking innocent) IMHO PP is just another person who certainly didn't want the killer of JonBenet exposed.
 
30 . "Reply for Bluefire"
Posted by jameson on Nov-03-99 at 04:04 PM (EST)

"Sorry to have you have to aske such aquestion but the following is from an article in the Enquirer, same source as the Barbie nightgown as security blanket story. Does this sound like JonBenét at all? " Hoffmann-Pugh disclosed that JonBenet was terribly embarrassed to be seen naked by anyone, including her daughter Ariana. "If I happened to walk in on her and she had her top off, she'd make a face and quickly fold her arms over her chest and turn away from me," the housekeeper recalled. "It was very clear that she was alarmed and didn't want anyone seeing her chest, even though she was completely undeveloped."

I think this confirms my knowledge that Ariana was not "close" with JonBenet.

for example....even at my age 40. I would not cover myself if my girlfriend of 35 years came in my room.....and eventhough I have spent time in person with Jameson....and I feel comfortable with her, I would cover myself under the same situation.

JonBenet NEVER covered herself when I was with her (with one exception; and the BPD are aware of this and the facts surrounding it).

Wat up Homie's, what was that exception, does anyone know? Most curious????????

Heyya Agatha_C.

Thanks for the late night reading and research.
Ahhh, all those little, maybe insignificant , just maddening.
:banghead:

I had forgotten about LHP describing JBR's humility when she dressed.
LHP was a wealth of information, till she was shut down by her GJ testimony.
 
Agatha, please excuse my stupid question here, but I'm still not feeling well and I think I'm confused on this part of your post:
JonBenet NEVER covered herself when I was with her (with one exception; and the BPD are aware of this and the facts surrounding it).

Was this Pam Paugh speaking or LHP? At six, I can see JB not being embarrased to undress in front of her favorite aunt. In my girl's cases, that only started happening after they started to develop and then they would not even undress in front of me. So, I'm wondering what in the world was meant by that and why would LE need to be aware of it?
TIA
Becky
 
Beck, Sorry, I should have cleared that up. It was PP who said it. Thats what has me wondering as I don't buy anything LHP has ever said.
 
see my sig.when PP said that Patsy 'got her victory',well,that just said it all.
 
Steve Thomas reported that Paugh removed a large number of items from the house, including: "stuffed animals, tiaras, three dresses for JonBenet, pageant photo portfolios, toys and clothes for Burke, John Ramsey's Daytimer, the desk Bible, and clothing. For Patsy, there were black pants, dress suits, boots, and the contents of a curio cabinet. Bills, credit cards, a black cashmere trench coat, jewelry that included her grandmother's ring and an emerald necklace, bathrobes, a cell phone, personal papers, bank records, Christmas stockings, her Nordstrom's credit card, and even their passports!"

Of course, it's pure speculation to assume what Pam Paugh may or may not have known. It could be that because she is part of 'Team Ramsey' she is therefore under their influence.She may have doubts too. Who knows.

Regarding the items she took, is it possible she was taking items,important evidence which unbeknown to her were crucial to the case?
 
Of course, it's pure speculation to assume what Pam Paugh may or may not have known. It could be that because she is part of 'Team Ramsey' she is therefore under their influence.She may have doubts too. Who knows.

Regarding the items she took, is it possible she was taking items,important evidence which unbeknown to her were crucial to the case?

I think she took what she was asked to take. Asked by Patsy, JR or their lawyers. I think she knew why. The items you listed would have filled a squad car; I read she filled THREE. JR's golf bag was another thing she took at JR's specific request. An odd request for December, isn't it? The rest of the house was going to be packed up by the movers soon- the family never returned to the house and moved to Atlanta shortly after. JR was going to Atlanta to bury his daughter- and you'd think playing golf would be the last thing on his mind. So I have to think the golf bag had another significance.
 

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