Found Deceased Dominican Republic - Orlando Moore & Portia Ravenelle, from NY on vacation, April 2019

[Gardenista]

What people don't know yet is that photo of the white Kia wasn't taken at the toll booth. It was taken at the resort they stayed at. The picture is showing the car pulling up to the front door lobby. Compare the background of the picture with pictures of the resort's drive thru entrance and you'll see that this is a fact.

Dailymail reports that it's just a picture of the car they rode in. This guy Peter Martinez of CBSnews reports it's from the toll booth which is an obvious lie. Although the national police chief did say they had a picture of the car at the toll booth. I don't think he released it. And I don't know if the above picture is supposed to be the toll booth picture but now we know it's obviously not. So either the reporter is reporting factually incorrect information. Or the national police is releasing bogus information.

Adding this to the list of hinky things about the case. Thanks for the info.

 

[ilovechili]

What people don't know yet is that photo of the white Kia wasn't taken at the toll booth. It was taken at the resort they stayed at. The picture is showing the car pulling up to the front door lobby. Compare the background of the picture with pictures of the resort's drive thru entrance and you'll see that this is a fact.

Dailymail reports that it's just a picture of the car they rode in. This guy Peter Martinez of CBSnews reports it's from the toll booth which is an obvious lie. Although the national police chief did say they had a picture of the car at the toll booth. I don't think he released it. And I don't know if the above picture is supposed to be the toll booth picture but now we know it's obviously not. So either the reporter is reporting factually incorrect information. Or the national police is releasing bogus information.

Welcome!

That makes perfect sense. That pic from the start did not look like a toll booth area they are just sitting like in the center, no signs of a booth, signs, other cars, nothing. I also thought wow they put some real effort into their toll booth areas, columns and paving stones (or whatever one wants to call them), etc. Finally, it looked like daylight but I thought it may have to do with the lighting.

One can't trust anything these days.

 

[tiffran]

What people don't know yet is that photo of the white Kia wasn't taken at the toll booth. It was taken at the resort they stayed at. The picture is showing the car pulling up to the front door lobby. Compare the background of the picture with pictures of the resort's drive thru entrance and you'll see that this is a fact.

Dailymail reports that it's just a picture of the car they rode in. This guy Peter Martinez of CBSnews reports it's from the toll booth which is an obvious lie. Although the national police chief did say they had a picture of the car at the toll booth. I don't think he released it. And I don't know if the above picture is supposed to be the toll booth picture but now we know it's obviously not. So either the reporter is reporting factually incorrect information. Or the national police is releasing bogus information.

This makes so much more sense. I couldn't understand 1. why the picture was so bright (didn't look like the middle of the night) and 2. Where the toll booth would have been in relation to where the car is parked... just seemed like a weird place to snap a pic of the car. Thanks for this!

 

[Vern]

What people don't know yet is that photo of the white Kia wasn't taken at the toll booth. It was taken at the resort they stayed at. The picture is showing the car pulling up to the front door lobby. Compare the background of the picture with pictures of the resort's drive thru entrance and you'll see that this is a fact.

Dailymail reports that it's just a picture of the car they rode in. This guy Peter Martinez of CBSnews reports it's from the toll booth which is an obvious lie. Although the national police chief did say they had a picture of the car at the toll booth. I don't think he released it. And I don't know if the above picture is supposed to be the toll booth picture but now we know it's obviously not. So either the reporter is reporting factually incorrect information. Or the national police is releasing bogus information.

IMO, you are correct in that this is not the pic of the car that the police were talking about. When the Chief spoke, he clearly stated that the pic of the car at the toll booth is from the rear - and shows the rear of the car so that one can not see clearly who's in it.

That is indeed a pic of the car at the hotel, so it seems obvious to me that CBS has it wrong.

 

[ilovechili]

Mount Vernon couple dies after car plunges into sea in Dominican Republic

Article dated today. Per this article, she somehow got out of the car in the ocean. Circumstances surrounding the accident are not known. Many questions remain. Pretty much matches what some of us have said, that this is from clear nor are the answers there yet.

 

[osu]

A couple vanished on a Caribbean vacation. Their deaths are just as mysterious.
April 10, 2019

~snip
Dominican authorities said Tuesday that both bodies had been sent to the National Institute of Forensic Pathology for identification and autopsies. In a statement Wednesday, the State Department confirmed Ravenelle’s death, but did not comment on Moore.

Officials in the U.S. have not released any information on how the two died.

“We offer our sincerest condolences to the family on their loss,” a State Department spokesperson said. “We are closely monitoring local authorities’ investigation into the cause of death. We stand ready to provide all appropriate consular assistance. The U.S. Department of State and our embassies and consulates abroad have no greater responsibility than the protection of U.S. citizens overseas. Out of respect to the family during this difficult time, we have no further comment.”


Friends and family of Moore and Ravenelle expressed devastation at the news and confusion about the way police say they died.

Francesca Figueroa, who ate dinner and watched a movie with the couple the night before they left for the Dominican Republic, told CNN that she spoke to a U.S. Embassy representative on March 31, who told her “no bodies were found, there were no dead bodies reported, no accidents, no one was in jail.”
~snip


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2019/04/11/caribbean-mystery-vacationing-couple-vanished-found-dead/

 

[dotr]

 

[Eevee Pie]

This is my worst nightmare - someone I love missing, no one can find her - and it turns out she was alive and alone in the intensive care unit ... I am so sad for her, and for her family and friends. I have never been to the Dominican Republic and this story is probably the nail in the coffin. So very, very sympathetic and sad for everyone involved.

 

[Inthedetails]

found this article-
Pareja estadounidense habría sufrido accidente de tránsito; encuentran cuerpos podrían ser ellos

I guess this is Dominican MSM?

if you translate the comments, they are diverse.

maybe if there is anything to be learned from this, it is that you should keep a copy of your passport in your shoe or your underwear or some place where it might stay with your body even after trauma, though how to practically do this in the sweaty tropics, in a comfortable way, I do not know. (IMHO)

And if any friends or relatives go missing on vacation, get to the hospital yourself to ask questions (maybe with money to help memories?) I really am flabbergasted they were found WHILE the search was going on and LE apparently didn't know. Extremely unimpressed and disappointed.

jmo

 

[bradfordsleuth]

Mount Vernon couple dies after car plunges into sea in Dominican Republic

Article dated today. Per this article, she somehow got out of the car in the ocean. Circumstances surrounding the accident are not known. Many questions remain. Pretty much matches what some of us have said, that this is from clear nor are the answers there yet.

I am having a really, really difficult time understanding how they know for sure that she was able to free herself from the car while it was underwater. They haven't pulled the car up yet, so how can they make that determination?

Did she regain consciousness at any point in time to tell them what happened? If so, then surely she would have told them who she was!

I think that this is once again a case of poor fact checking.

 

[osu]

• Translated by Google

https://reddenoticias.online/congresistas-y-alcalde-pediran-al-fbi-investigacion-amplia-sobre-muertes-de-pareja-en-republica-dominicana/


Congressmen and mayors ask the FBI for extensive research on couple deaths in the Dominican Republic

Congressmen Adriano Espaillat and Eliot Engel, representatives of districts 13 and 16 and the mayor of the city of Mount Vernon, Richard Thomas, will ask the FBI for a broader and more conclusive investigation into the deaths of Orlando Moore's couple and Portia Ravenelle, who according to the Dominican National Police, died in a supposed traffic accident on the Las Americas highway, at dawn on March 31, but whose version is being questioned by the family of the dead, legislators and local officials.

Espaillat and Engel, met Tuesday with the ambassador of the United States in Santo Domingo, Robin Bernstein, who exposed the situation, confirmed last night to this reporter the Dominican congressman's office.

Mayor Thomas said he is in contact with the families of Moore and Ravenelle. “We are deeply in conflict and deeply saddened, simply because of his sudden loss," he said, adding that on the versions given in the Dominican Republic, "there are a lot of unanswered questions."

He explained that the mayor's office is working with the FBI and congressman Engel's office, whose district includes Mount Vernon, to support the two families and find out what really happened.

Engel's office said he has been in contact with state Senator Jamaal Bailey, whose district also includes Mount Vernon, and that he and Espaillat met on Tuesday morning the US ambassador to the Dominican Republic.

“Both will be asking the FBI for a full and quick investigation into this horrible tragedy," said Rep. Engel spokesman Bryant Daniels.
~snip

 

[ilovechili]

I am having a really, really difficult time understanding how they know for sure that she was able to free herself from the car while it was underwater. They haven't pulled the car up yet, so how can they make that determination?

Did she regain consciousness at any point in time to tell them what happened? If so, then surely she would have told them who she was!

I think that this is once again a case of poor fact checking.

Just being facetious but I would guess she had saltwater traces on her...

This so far defies belief. Hopefully they are investigating and the facts will come. I am not even going to hazard a guess on whether we will hear them or not. Add to all of it the fact media cannot get a basic fact straight like ages nor other simple things and...

I cannot even imagine how the families feel who, it is stated as well, are confused by what they have so far been told happened... Hopefully our authorities will get to the bottom of it--but it did not occur in our country and some time has already elapsed.

 

[ilovechili]

• Translated by Google

https://reddenoticias.online/congresistas-y-alcalde-pediran-al-fbi-investigacion-amplia-sobre-muertes-de-pareja-en-republica-dominicana/


Congressmen and mayors ask the FBI for extensive research on couple deaths in the Dominican Republic

Congressmen Adriano Espaillat and Eliot Engel, representatives of districts 13 and 16 and the mayor of the city of Mount Vernon, Richard Thomas, will ask the FBI for a broader and more conclusive investigation into the deaths of Orlando Moore's couple and Portia Ravenelle, who according to the Dominican National Police, died in a supposed traffic accident on the Las Americas highway, at dawn on March 31, but whose version is being questioned by the family of the dead, legislators and local officials.

Espaillat and Engel, met Tuesday with the ambassador of the United States in Santo Domingo, Robin Bernstein, who exposed the situation, confirmed last night to this reporter the Dominican congressman's office.

Mayor Thomas said he is in contact with the families of Moore and Ravenelle. “We are deeply in conflict and deeply saddened, simply because of his sudden loss," he said, adding that on the versions given in the Dominican Republic, "there are a lot of unanswered questions."

He explained that the mayor's office is working with the FBI and congressman Engel's office, whose district includes Mount Vernon, to support the two families and find out what really happened.

Engel's office said he has been in contact with state Senator Jamaal Bailey, whose district also includes Mount Vernon, and that he and Espaillat met on Tuesday morning the US ambassador to the Dominican Republic.

“Both will be asking the FBI for a full and quick investigation into this horrible tragedy," said Rep. Engel spokesman Bryant Daniels.
~snip

Our own officials and the families have questions. That says enough to me that I in no way have taken what has been said thus far at face value. jmo.

 

[Plo_Koon]

The photo of them after the toll booth, she is the passenger and clearly has the window down and her arm on the window sill.

That's not a photo at the toll booth. As noted above, that photo was taken at the resort.

 

[osu]

Video: Mayor Richard Thomas offers remarks about Mount Vernon couple, Orlando Moore and Portia Ravenelle.
2 hours ago

https://www.lohud.com/story/news/local/westchester/mount-vernon/2019/04/10/mount-vernon-couple-missing-dominican-republic/3420968002/

 

[Satchie]

My thoughts are, I think it's possible a lot of wrong assumptions were made, and that's why this happened, rather than deliberate cover-up.

The two victims were probably assumed to be unrelated to each other, and to be locals, not tourists. So, in that case, when people, eg the hospital, were asked about a missing American couple, it's possible no one thought of Portia. Sadly, people can make a lot of negative assumptions about a woman found alone, with no possessions, on a highway at 2 am.

I also think it's possible police didn't get involved in either case, because they had no leads, or witnesses, they'd have opened an investigation if someone came forward with information or if Portia'd regained consciousness. No one was tasked to go back in daylight and look at the site where Portia was found, it was assumed to have been a hit and run, or assault and that the scene would tell them nothing.

 

[Dee10]

Although I believe it was an accident, the timeline bothers me:

Left Halifax friends to pack between 9:30 & 10:00 to catch a 2:00 plant 2:20 drive.

My husband & I could pack-up 4 days of clothes in less than 1/2, but let's presume 1 hour? That would put them leaving at 10:30 or 11.00. Add say 2 1/2 trip which could include checking out, which would put them at the airport at 1:30.

The were at the toll both 9 minutes after the flight left. Presuming the plane left on time, that's about 40 minutes difference and that nags me.

 

[ilovechili]

Although I believe it was an accident, the timeline bothers me:

Left Halifax friends to pack between 9:30 & 10:00 to catch a 2:00 plant 2:20 drive.

My husband & I could pack-up 4 days of clothes in less than 1/2, but let's presume 1 hour? That would put them leaving at 10:30 or 11.00. Add say 2 1/2 trip which could include checking out, which would put them at the airport at 1:30.

The were at the toll both 9 minutes after the flight left. Presuming the plane left on time, that's about 40 minutes difference and that nags me.

I have done this math as well and I agree and that is the minimum time missing.

She was so concerned that day that I seriously doubt much packing remained or at least that it took very long. 2.5 hours for what is it a 100 mile trip says something as well and I would think that would be the longest it could take and may even be based on daytime, traffic, etc.

There is a time gap and I would not believe they willingly stopped somewhere for that minimum 40 minutes as she was too concerned about the drive and not stopping or taking chances.

I thought the toll was something like 1:41(?) and it was a 2:00 a.m. flight but I also have seen different flight times.

I would guess there is at least an hour missing, if not more.

jmo.

Does anyone know if there are checkpoints in the Dominican? I have never been there but I know in areas of Mexico there are. Just curious.

 

[TTF14]

Although I believe it was an accident, the timeline bothers me:

Left Halifax friends to pack between 9:30 & 10:00 to catch a 2:00 plant 2:20 drive.

My husband & I could pack-up 4 days of clothes in less than 1/2, but let's presume 1 hour? That would put them leaving at 10:30 or 11.00. Add say 2 1/2 trip which could include checking out, which would put them at the airport at 1:30.

The were at the toll both 9 minutes after the flight left. Presuming the plane left on time, that's about 40 minutes difference and that nags me.

I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist, but this all does seem odd. Leaving a Jane Doe dying in a hospital for days left a lot of time to get stories straight, ducks in a row, etc. if any type of corruption or cover-up was going on.....

 

[osu]

This is my worst nightmare - someone I love missing, no one can find her - and it turns out she was alive and alone in the intensive care unit ... I am so sad for her, and for her family and friends. I have never been to the Dominican Republic and this story is probably the nail in the coffin. So very, very sympathetic and sad for everyone involved.

Mine too. My DS is an international traveler for work, and we have the ‘Find My Friends’ app on all of our iPhones. It does a great job of pinpointing right down to the street address pretty much anywhere in the world.