Donations & Proceeds Discussion Thread

[atherella]

I am still waiting for the link to show me and everyone who reads here that these donations have not been being used for such, and that these people are being dishonest ? I will find the link but I do believe there was an increase in the reward. just recently

Respectfully snipped & BBM

I would love to see a link that says the reward has been increased.

Crimestoppers is showing the reward at $30,000.

Haleigh is described as a 5 year old white female. She is approximately 3'0, 39 lbs, blonde hair & brown eyes. Unknown clothing description.

Haleigh was last seen at her residence in the Hermit's Cove area of Putnam County on February 9, 2009 between the hours of 8-10pm.

A statewide Amber Alert has been issued. An additional $30,000 in rewards have been posted.

If you have any information and wish to remain anonymous, please call Crime Stoppers at 1-888-277-TIPS (8477) or you can Text your tip by Texting “TIP231 plus your message” to CRIMES (274637). We don’t want your name; just your information and you could be eligible for a reward up to $1000.00

http://www.westopcrime.com/index.php?loc=details&story=686

The interesting thing is that on March 15th, News4Jax posted an article that said the reward was up to $35,000 after the Justice Coalition added money to the reward:

Last week, the Justice Coalition added $8,490 to the reward for Haleigh, bringing the total reward amount to $35,000.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18937076/detail.html

So, why is the reward only $30,000 now?

I would love to see a link showing that the reward is over $30,000 or over $35,000. The reward has not MOVED since March. I find that SAD for HaLeigh!

Does any one know how monies recieved would be reported if the account had been set up through a bank for donations ?

Maybe I will just call my bank..lol

This is not addressing you directly, just bouncing off your post:

The fund that was set up at the Bank of America was overseen by Jamie Watts - the person that set up the account. Ron was not able to access it directly. Originally, Jamie Watts set up the account with both Ron and Crystal on the account. There are apparently laws for how these funds can be set up with missing children. Because Crystal was not living with HaLeigh when she disappeared, she was not allowed to be on the account.

Jamie Watts has receipts for all monies spent. I know that in the past he has been willing to take phone calls and answer questions about exactly how the money was spent for those that have "questions".

Watts said less than $5,000 has been given to the Haleigh Cummings Relief Fund at Bank of America. The bank will not provide information on the account, citing privacy reasons.

Supporting the family

Less than $1,000 has been spent on the insurance and other bills, Watts said. Set up by the bank under rules outlined by Florida law, money from the account cannot be used in support of Haleigh's mother because she was not living in the house at the time of the disappearance.

Watts, who goes to the church Cummings attends, knew him from landscape work Cummings did at Watts Funeral Home in nearby San Mateo.

Watts said any withdrawals from the account must be approved by him and be used for a specific bill and certain expenses. In the past week and a half, donations have trickled off, he said.

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-03-20/story/community_contributes_to_haleighs_family_funds

 

[KOOL LOOK]

Respectfully snipped & BBM

I would love to see a link that says the reward has been increased.

Crimestoppers is showing the reward at $30,000.

http://www.westopcrime.com/index.php?loc=details&story=686

The interesting thing is that on March 15th, News4Jax posted an article that said the reward was up to $35,000 after the Justice Coalition added money to the reward:


http://www.news4jax.com/news/18937076/detail.html

So, why is the reward only $30,000 now?

I would love to see a link showing that the reward is over $30,000 or over $35,000. The reward has not MOVED since March. I find that SAD for HaLeigh!




This is not addressing you directly, just bouncing off your post:

The fund that was set up at the Bank of America was overseen by Jamie Watts - the person that set up the account. Ron was not able to access it directly. Originally, Jamie Watts set up the account with both Ron and Crystal on the account. There are apparently laws for how these funds can be set up with missing children. Because Crystal was not living with HaLeigh when she disappeared, she was not allowed to be on the account.

Jamie Watts has receipts for all monies spent. I know that in the past he has been willing to take phone calls and answer questions about exactly how the money was spent for those that have "questions".



http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-03-20/story/community_contributes_to_haleighs_family_funds

Thank you Athrella for posting, explains the fund and it's rules. Makes complete sense. I also approve and like the way this is done, everything is accounted for, with proper legal clear comings and goings of how and where the money goes.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

BBM, well if that's the case Crimestoppers is lagging 'cause they still only show $30000. Also, as much coverage as this case has had, I believe we know of all searches that have been done. They may have fiananced the fake search w/ the planted evidence but it don't think that search broke the bank. IMO. This foundation has been in business lng enough that if they were going to add more donation money it could have been done long ago. IMO. If it were my child I'd try t boost the reward as high as possible, but that's just me. :twocents:

I agree with your post, and enjoy reading them. If it were my child, steadily the reward amount for any information would grow weekly as I would be a contributor myself taking out of each weekly pay check and giving. Money makes people talk. Wish it wasn't that way in a childs case, but it's true.

I would hire those private investigators, give them Five Grand a piece to go out and have it ready to flash to people they interviewed if any person knew or could give important helpful information to move the case forward. Eventually, you would hit pay dirt. Happy Halloween CC.

 

[curvecuti]

You have no proof that "the money will be used for searches and to add to the reward money and then NOT do that".

You have no proof that " CS and MG want to collect donations to pay their bills, take vacations, buy 4 wheelers, etc., etc., I don't care, just don't collect the money under the guise of doing it for Haleigh's benefit".

This adds nothing to valid discussion. This post is a poorly disguised smear, plain and simple.

Sure I have proof, the reward has not budged since March and then it was not a contribution by Haleighbug, it was from the Justice Coalition.

Do you have proof they have contributed to the reward, if so please post it.

We have seen all searches for Haleigh in the media, there have been none by Haleigbug.
You left out the all important part of my post when you quoted it.

And that's MOO.

I didn't say they did those things I said I don't care IF they do those things, you left out the IF. Please do not quote parts of my posts out of context to simply twist my words. Thanks.

 

[Pondering Mind]

Wow, I really don't know why I keep checking back here for info. 6 pages into the thread and so far nobody has a single shred of proof concerning where all this money is going (or not). Not for a fact anyway, although it's sure being put out there like it is. LOL, no one even knows for a fact if there is any 'real money' coming in, do they? Does anyone even have a CLUE as to how much money has been donated? Before anyone answers yes, I respectfully mean 'proof' not opinion or speculation. (based on what appears to be nothing more than personal bias IMO and a need to make sure CS and family go down for something, :sick: rather than genuine concern for where 'the funds' are going. (all in the name of HaLeigh too ) I guess I was wrong about this being about this being an 'equal looking into funds thread' for those who feel that is important. I personally don't know how anyone can state that no searches were funded by the HaLeighbug Center. Maybe there hasn't been, maybe they haven't raised enough money. I have NO idea and don't see that anyone else does either. Point is unless someone is privy to much more info than I've seen this appears to me to be rumors and perhaps belongs downstairs, cuz I'm sure that no one wants to be posting such speculation up here as is pointed out on a regular basis...I must say...the subject of money really does appear to bring out the true colors of some..even here. At least that's how I'm seeing/reading it. :shakehead: That's JMO, no more, no less.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

Wow, I really don't know why I keep checking back here for info. 6 pages into the thread and so far nobody has a single shred of proof concerning where all this money is going (or not). Not for a fact anyway, although it's sure being put out there like it is. LOL, no one even knows for a fact if there is any 'real money' coming in, do they? Does anyone even have a CLUE as to how much money has been donated? Before anyone answers yes, I respectfully mean 'proof' not opinion or speculation. (based on what appears to be nothing more than personal bias IMO and a need to make sure CS and family go down for something, :sick: rather than genuine concern for where 'the funds' are going. (all in the name of HaLeigh too ) I guess I was wrong about this being about this being an 'equal looking into funds thread' for those who feel that is important. I personally don't know how anyone can state that no searches were funded by the HaLeighbug Center. Maybe there hasn't been, maybe they haven't raised enough money. I have NO idea and don't see that anyone else does either. Point is unless someone is privy to much more info than I've seen this appears to me to be rumors and perhaps belongs downstairs, cuz I'm sure that no one wants to be posting such speculation up here as is pointed out on a regular basis...I must say...the subject of money really does appear to bring out the true colors of some..even here. At least that's how I'm seeing/reading it. :shakehead: That's JMO, no more, no less.

There was a post in here today about the Texas Watkins benefits concert as someone inquired and were directed to contact the Haleighbug Center foundation to get information concerning proceeds. I don't have any factual figures to offer. I only know about the links posted within this thread of known public events thats been given and the foundations set up. I've not seen any dollar amounts if that's what you are looking for.

Personally speaking for myself, if Ron or his attornies, state specifically they will hire reputable investigators to hunt for Haleigh and investigate according to the law, I will give.

 

[mysticrose]

BBM, well if that's the case Crimestoppers is lagging 'cause they still only show $30000. Also, as much coverage as this case has had, I believe we know of all searches that have been done. They may have fiananced the fake search w/ the planted evidence but it don't think that search broke the bank. IMO. This foundation has been in business lng enough that if they were going to add more donation money it could have been done long ago. IMO. If it were my child I'd try t boost the reward as high as possible, but that's just me. :twocents:

I don't see other certain family adding to the pot, what may I ask is your point ?:waitasec:

The bolded part really is OT and should be moved somewhere :waitasec: with the link to support your statement because if there is not one then it belongs in the parking lot.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Because someone has inquired about the concert info, does not make it a fact. I've been shaking my head since reading the speculations turn to almost fact. I'd like to see some facts before commenting. It's a rumor at this point.

Happy Halloween!

O/T Why Dogs don't like Halloween:
http://www.urlesque.com/2009/10/15/fw-why-dogs-dont-like-halloween/

 

[DotsEyes]

If you think that the foundation funds will not be used appropriately, do not donate.

If you think that the family members are greedy, money hungry, do anything for a buck, to make money off of my missing and maybe dead baby kind of people, don't donate.

People send money because they feel sorry for the family. It's like taking meals to a recently bereaved family. It makes them feel good that they are in some way easing the burden of someone they wouldn't trade shoes with for all the money in the world.

If you want to donate on behalf of Haleigh to anyone, donate it to the PCSO to help pay for the investigation to find who ever did this to Haleigh. Donate to the police fund in her name. Send it in to up the reward $10 and $20 at a time.

 

[Whisperer]

I don't see any reason to boost the Reward Fund. If $30,000 doesn't shake some leaves off a tree, upping it won't either.

 

[curvecuti]

Because someone has inquired about the concert info, does not make it a fact. I've been shaking my head since reading the speculations turn to almost fact. I'd like to see some facts before commenting. It's a rumor at this point.

Happy Halloween!

O/T Why Dogs don't like Halloween:
http://www.urlesque.com/2009/10/15/fw-why-dogs-dont-like-halloween/

I don't understand what you mean. What is rumor? The concert? Or that the proceeds went to Haleighbug? All the info. about that is on the website about the concert. So those things are facts.

 

[stilettos]

I don't understand what you mean. What is rumor? The concert? Or that the proceeds went to Haleighbug? All the info. about that is on the website about the concert. So those things are facts.

Do we have bank records, checks and legal, financial disbursement info. We do not have the legal financial documents of the HaLeighbug foundation. So any speculation as to how the money is spent...is without factual basis. When the documents come out...then we will know. Until then, I am sure some persons will call the IRS and have them look into it...maybe they will be able to talk them into publishing a full accounting online to put minds at ease. Perhaps they will just do an equal opportunity audit into both sides, publish that here at WS and that will answer all the questions. Someone is on it, I am sure.

 

[kittylyn461]

Wow, I really don't know why I keep checking back here for info. 6 pages into the thread and so far nobody has a single shred of proof concerning where all this money is going (or not). Not for a fact anyway, although it's sure being put out there like it is. LOL, no one even knows for a fact if there is any 'real money' coming in, do they? Does anyone even have a CLUE as to how much money has been donated? Before anyone answers yes, I respectfully mean 'proof' not opinion or speculation. (based on what appears to be nothing more than personal bias IMO and a need to make sure CS and family go down for something, :sick: rather than genuine concern for where 'the funds' are going. (all in the name of HaLeigh too ) I guess I was wrong about this being about this being an 'equal looking into funds thread' for those who feel that is important. I personally don't know how anyone can state that no searches were funded by the HaLeighbug Center. Maybe there hasn't been, maybe they haven't raised enough money. I have NO idea and don't see that anyone else does either. Point is unless someone is privy to much more info than I've seen this appears to me to be rumors and perhaps belongs downstairs, cuz I'm sure that no one wants to be posting such speculation up here as is pointed out on a regular basis...I must say...the subject of money really does appear to bring out the true colors of some..even here. At least that's how I'm seeing/reading it. :shakehead: That's JMO, no more, no less.

While going through the beginning of the case I have found many posts that state "I sent money to Marie and Crystal personally or I sent money to the HBF, I have no doubt that they have collected money, I even seen a video of A lady that donated a picture to be auctioned off, Was that picture Auctioned off? I have no idea but I do know that I JMO feel that ALL that MONEY that was collected should go toward a little girl named HaLeigh and finding her and I have seen no PROOF that any of it has gone to her search or reward. Unless someone can show a link showing that it has, I will stand with JMO that someone is lining their pockets on a missing child and I find that Sad. HaLeigh needs to come home. For you that find this Harse I am not accusing anyone I am stating my feelings on donations and where it is being used to find HaLeigh. I don't see it.

 

[lorann]

While going through the beginning of the case I have found many posts that state "I sent money to Marie and Crystal personally or I sent money to the HBF, I have no doubt that they have collected money, I even seen a video of A lady that donated a picture to be auctioned off, Was that picture Auctioned off? I have no idea but I do know that I JMO feel that ALL that MONEY that was collected should go toward a little girl named HaLeigh and finding her and I have seen no PROOF that any of it has gone to her search or reward. Unless someone can show a link showing that it has, I will stand with JMO that someone is lining their pockets on a missing child and I find that Sad. HaLeigh needs to come home. For you that find this Harse I am not accusing anyone I am stating my feelings on donations and where it is being used to find HaLeigh. I don't see it.

How do you feel about money paid for pictures and video of little Haleigh, do you think this money should go into a fund only toward searching for Haleigh? Who has provided the most pictures and thus gained more money? Do you think the media should make those payments to a fund for searching instead of the family? Unlike a foundation that has rules and will be audited, does this family have to report any of their income from this? I don't know all of the answers but am curious.

 

[kittylyn461]

How do you feel about money paid for pictures and video of little Haleigh, do you think this money should go into a fund only toward searching for Haleigh? Who has provided the most pictures and thus gained more money? Do you think the media should make those payments to a fund for searching instead of the family? Unlike a foundation that has rules and will be audited, does this family have to report any of their income from this? I don't know all of the answers but am curious.

Jmo But I am not aware of any money made . Iirc It was stated that People were using HaLeigh pictures and TN wanted to stop the exploitation of her grand daughters pictures. But Yes ALL money should be toward HaLeigh. I just feel that This girl needs to Come HOME! I really bothered by the fact that the concert was 2 weeks ago and Still no comments on Sam's site stating how much and where it went. But does say to contact HBF. It was promoted to collect money for HaLeigh and Sam also stated it was a concert they would not charge a dime to the families, Also the advertisement stated that they would be bring shirts and buttons, I don't care how much I just want to know that It was for HaLeigh and I have been watching and have seen no reward amount go up or anything else in regard to helping HaLeigh. Jmo and i am not here to offend anyone , It's just that I saw this yesterday and bother me terribly



http://www.wftv.com/news/18729752/detail.html

Haleigh Search Taking Financial Toll On Sheriff's Office
Posted: 7:48 am EST February 17,
2009
PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- Eyewitness
News has learned that Putnam County commissioners will be looking for
financial help from the state and federal governments because of the
search for Haleigh.From overtime and fuel, to equipment costs,
Putnam County Sheriff Jeff hardy said the search has taken a toll on
the sheriff's office budget.Hardy said assistance from outside
agencies helped, but the county still has a bottom line. He met with
commissioners Monday to discuss other possibilities for funding."He
told me that at some point they were going to have to come to us they

And I know that Jamie Watt's money was very minimal and as another poster stated Jamie has the reciept's and how much was collected.


Where is HaLeigh in this jumbled mess? This article is dated Feb 17,2009 And they were out of money allready !

 

[KOOL LOOK]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18729752/detail.html

Haleigh Search Taking Financial Toll On Sheriff's Office
Posted: 7:48 am EST February 17,
2009
PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. -- Eyewitness
News has learned that Putnam County commissioners will be looking for
financial help from the state and federal governments because of the
search for Haleigh.From overtime and fuel, to equipment costs,
Putnam County Sheriff Jeff hardy said the search has taken a toll on
the sheriff's office budget.Hardy said assistance from outside
agencies helped, but the county still has a bottom line. He met with
commissioners Monday to discuss other possibilities for funding."He
told me that at some point they were going to have to come to us they

And I know that Jamie Watt's money was very minimal and as another poster stated Jamie has the reciept's and how much was collected.

snipped by me"

Kitty, this article hurts my heart to know. Had the investigation went in the right direction to begin with, just another possibility these circumstances wouldn't exist. How can we trade the need for money and not look for Haleigh? We can't. We can't just loose faith in LE because their human and are going to make errors, so where does it leave us now?

I say go after this case with a swift vengence. Hire those private investigators to support and help LE, as their able to do things LE can't, but stay within the law.

I see money being raised and collected on Crystals side, but not anything to actually benefit the hunt for Haleigh. I think people ought to at this point give to LE since their now in need and have stated so. It's the tax dollars of the public that pays LE, so help them. If Ron hires private investigators, I think that would be a step forward.

This is sad. Someone in charge needs to take charge in LE and with the family. They need a future plan in the hunt for Haleigh.

 

[Pondering Mind]

While going through the beginning of the case I have found many posts that state "I sent money to Marie and Crystal personally or I sent money to the HBF, I have no doubt that they have collected money, I even seen a video of A lady that donated a picture to be auctioned off, Was that picture Auctioned off? I have no idea but I do know that I JMO feel that ALL that MONEY that was collected should go toward a little girl named HaLeigh and finding her and I have seen no PROOF that any of it has gone to her search or reward. Unless someone can show a link showing that it has, I will stand with JMO that someone is lining their pockets on a missing child and I find that Sad. HaLeigh needs to come home. For you that find this Harse I am not accusing anyone I am stating my feelings on donations and where it is being used to find HaLeigh. I don't see it.

If you go back and read my posts regarding funds, donations...whatever one chooses to call them, I NEVER said that some money wasn't being sent/given to BOTH sides of the family in the beginning. It was.. without a doubt...I have no idea how much tho, do you? At that time Crystal was very upfront about donations going towards expenses she was incurring for gas, food, etc. while she was going back and forth to Satsuma. No one was forcing anyone to give anything :sheesh:..to either family ..I didn't, mostly because I simply don't have it to give right now. But if I had I wouldn't have had a problem with that since she was being so honest about it. I KNOW what it's like to not have money for gas, I can't imagine what it would be like to not have it and other basic needs (even for Chloe) and to be trying to travel back and forth while my child was missing. She shouldn't have had to worry about that if it could be helped and I hope it was! Nobody in those circumstances should have, including Ron and family (even though I believe the parties responsible for HaLeighs disappearance are 'part of that family') I do not understand the problem with that...IF you or anyone else doesn't want to contribute to that (or can't) then DON'T, very simple. She wasn't asking for money under false pretenses as some like to infer. :snooty: That's JMO and all that carp..

re: bbm part
yes.. IMO, you are accusing someone of "lining their pockets", you just infer rather than name who you think 'that person' is.

AND what about the good ol innocent until proven guilty thing? Someone must show you proof that the money (which I believe at this point in time is much of nothing, but that's just me) is being spent correctly or you will continue to assume that it is being mis-spent? Based on what facts, may I ask? So does the innocent until proven guilty thingy only apply to Ron and Misty? Don't you think that is quite hypocritical?
I promise, I'm not trying to be b!tchy or snarky :innocent: I think I am just shocked, this thread has been quite eye-opening IMO, not a thing relevant to the case or finding HaLeigh :waitasec:, but eye-opening never the less. I have found this thread extremly disturbing and I'm not yet real sure why.


On that note, Have a Good Day all, I MUST clean house today before I have the Health Dept. knocking on my door. :yuck: May we have news of HaLeighs whereabouts today. I log on almost everyday praying that there will be something new, a break in the case...... ...Something just HAS to come soon. ..

 

[kittylyn461]

If you go back and read my posts regarding funds, donations...whatever one chooses to call them, I NEVER said that some money wasn't being sent/given to BOTH sides of the family in the beginning. It was.. without a doubt...I have no idea how much tho, do you? At that time Crystal was very upfront about donations going towards expenses she was incurring for gas, food, etc. while she was going back and forth to Satsuma. No one was forcing anyone to give anything :sheesh:..to either family ..I didn't, mostly because I simply don't have it to give right now. But if I had I wouldn't have had a problem with that since she was being so honest about it. I KNOW what it's like to not have money for gas, I can't imagine what it would be like to not have it and other basic needs (even for Chloe) and to be trying to travel back and forth while my child was missing. She shouldn't have had to worry about that if it could be helped and I hope it was! Nobody in those circumstances should have, including Ron and family (even though I believe the parties responsible for HaLeighs disappearance are 'part of that family') I do not understand the problem with that...IF you or anyone else doesn't want to contribute to that (or can't) then DON'T, very simple. She wasn't asking for money under false pretenses as some like to infer. :snooty: That's JMO and all that carp..

re: bbm part
yes.. IMO, you are accusing someone of "lining their pockets", you just infer rather than name who you think 'that person' is.

AND what about the good ol innocent until proven guilty thing? Someone must show you proof that the money (which I believe at this point in time is much of nothing, but that's just me) is being spent correctly or you will continue to assume that it is being mis-spent? Based on what facts, may I ask? So does the innocent until proven guilty thingy only apply to Ron and Misty? Don't you think that is quite hypocritical?
I promise, I'm not trying to be b!tchy or snarky :innocent: I think I am just shocked, this thread has been quite eye-opening IMO, not a thing relevant to the case or finding HaLeigh :waitasec:, but eye-opening never the less. I have found this thread extremly disturbing and I'm not yet real sure why.


On that note, Have a Good Day all, I MUST clean house today before I have the Health Dept. knocking on my door. :yuck: May we have news of HaLeighs whereabouts today. I log on almost everyday praying that there will be something new, a break in the case...... ...Something just HAS to come soon. ..

To clarify I am stating anyone could include media family searchers, anyone lining their pockets on a missing child is wrong . also lol i know your not being snarky and neither am I , I do believe innocent until proven guilty for everyone and I am not accusing anyone, I just feel that it should be open and honest about were the money is going is it still being used for the well being of her family , I am not trying to attack anyone I just want haleigh to be found

 

[Pondering Mind]

To clarify I am stating anyone could include media family searchers, anyone lining their pockets on a missing child is wrong . also lol i know your not being snarky and neither am I , I do believe innocent until proven guilty for everyone and I am not accusing anyone, I just feel that it should be open and honest about were the money is going is it still being used for the well being of her family , I am not trying to attack anyone I just want haleigh to be found

me too chica, me too.
And just for me to clarify myself, I have no problem with anyone looking into where the money (though like I said in recent months I don't believe that there has been that much) is being spent. My only problem is that as of right now no one can seem to produce ANYTHING showing how much they (Ron or Crystal) have or how it's been spent. We make think we know, but truth is we have NO idea. It seems almost every post is adamant that it is being misused with nothing, nada, nil to back it up. If and when someone does, then that's a whole 'nother ballgame ya know?

eta~ I REALLY am going to clean house now!

 

[debs]

Pondering, this thread is disturbing, no doubt about it. It is distasteful that derision is cast upon a mother who lost her child to some unknown act, and a generous stranger threw a concert to help any way it could to, more than anything else, raise the spirits of those involved intimately with Haleigh: Her family, and those who have helped search for her.

I once asked how much more petty could people get. I have my answer, I believe.

Thank you Sam Watkins and those who helped put on the concert. Thank you anonymous donors everywhere who have helped raise the reward fund. Thank you to Tim Miller's friend for writing the check for $35K. Thank you to the folks who have donated to the Watts fund. Thank you to everyone who donated to HBC. But most of all, thank you to those who gave money for the family to just get through their day in those early weeks after Haleigh disappeared.

To anyone else who feels the need to know, contact the State of Florida and inquire.

This thread has seen the last of me.