Doogie Howser is Gay!

[2sisters]

maybe some part of this should got to the political forum. it has went from Dr. Howser being gay to gay:yea or nay. I don't think its a horrible big deal that DK posted this. I have seem stupider celeb threads started. In fact I take responsibilty for a dumber one, the thread about Tom Cruse bronzing suri's poop.

 

[michelle]

:laugh:

maybe some part of this should got to the political forum. it has went from Dr. Howser being gay to gay:yea or nay. I don't think its a horrible big deal that DK posted this. I have seem stupider celeb threads started. In fact I take responsibilty for a dumber one, the thread about Tom Cruse bronzing suri's poop.

That was a dumb one, but funny. Hey I have posted some too.

 

[Jade]

Frankly I think the reason that there is a fuss at all is because he is playing a heartless womanizer on “How I met Your Mother”. It’s the irony.

 

[windovervocalcords]

The Denver Post reports:

The former escort predicted Pastor Ted Haggard would disappear for a while, then emerge as a man who has been "cured" of homosexuality. Jones also believes Haggard will use the opportunity, write a book and make millions.



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[2sisters]

There is no more of a cure for homosexuality than there is for heterosexuality. You are what you are.

 

[windovervocalcords]

It doesnt matter if I disapprove or not. She knows I love her. In life people dont always agree and that is ok. I am not saying if you are gay you go to hell like I was taught. I am not God. I dont agree with her choice, but thats ok. I dont agree with drug addicts choices either. We have a few of them in our family, I still love them. Its not for me to decide who she sleeps with or how her lifestyle I love her regardless.

What you disapprove of is not her "lifestyle", its more basic than that. It's who she is, who she loves and how she expresses that love. It is not her choice. Unless you consider it her choice to have integrity and to be whole unto herself.

This is kind of like saying you love her even though you do so conditionally because she has blue eyes and is "not like the rest of us brown eyed people". Its like saying that she makes the barrier between you by refusing to wear brown colored contacts that would make her more loveable, a "normal" brown eyed person like everyone else.

She most likely cares for you, protects you from the truth of who she is and feels pain at the limitation of your love for her.

 

[michelle]

What you disapprove of is not her "lifestyle", its more basic than that. It's who she is, who she loves and how she expresses that love. It is not her choice. Unless you consider it her choice to have integrity and to be whole unto herself.

This is kind of like saying you love her even though you do so conditionally because she has blue eyes and is "not like the rest of us brown eyed people". Its like saying that she makes the barrier between you by refusing to wear brown colored contacts that would make her more loveable, a "normal" brown eyed person like everyone else.

She most likely cares for you, protects you from the truth of who she is and feels pain at the limitation of your love for her.

Well explain this to me. I am not being smart either. How come she has been with men, had a serious one and then started dating woman? I guess she is Bi-Sexual then??:waitasec:

 

[windovervocalcords]

Well explain this to me. I am not being smart either. How come she has been with men, had a serious one and then started dating woman? I guess she is Bi-Sexual then??:waitasec:

Sounds like it. Unless, what happens is she feels more at ease and at home with herself in the relationship with a woman. Depends on how she views it.

I can see from your perspective she would appear to be "making choices." You did not say previously that she is bi-sexual.

Gay people may be physically capable of having sexual relations with someone of the opposite sex but it does not mean they feel at ease or whole within themselves in the relationship.

It may still be a case of being able to wear colored contacts but not comfortably.

On the other hand, there are genuinely bi-sexual folks and they just have a merry old time. They may not even consider themselves "gay."

Some married men are like this. For some people it literally is "just the sex thank you."

Here is an interesting resource for anyone who wishes to further understand what homophobia and heterosexism are:
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/prej_defn.html

I include it in this post for general interest. It is well written and thought provoking.
This is also interesting:
http://www.tolerance.org/hidden_bias/index.html

 

[Maral]

My family is very christian as well. I was raised that being gay or lesbian is a sin and you will go to hell for it. I have a cousin who dated men in the past but she is gay. I have always known just by certain things she says and how she acted ect. To this day she is 33 and has NEVER admitted it. She has a myspace account and we chat on there and for her orientation it says "lesbian" and she will not come out to us. I know its because she is afraid of what her family will say. While we may disapprove of her lifestyle (thats out right) we still love her no matter what. Its sad to me that she feels like she cannot come to me atleast and come out. She knows I dont care. I told DH that I am going to approach her and ask her flat out why she has not told me but he tells me not too. I just wanted to add my 2 cents.

Michelle, I would think that she already has admitted her sexual orientation to you. She must have invited you to her myspace account to chat with her. It says right out in the open there that she is a lesbian. That doesn't sound to me like she is trying to hide anything. I think that what you want is for her to talk to you personally about it, but I can understand if she is uncomfortable with that since it is your belief that being gay is a sin and one who is will go to hell.

 

[2sisters]

At the risk of being attacked here, why does it matter if you are for gays or against gays. Being anti- gay is just some people beliefs, just like prochoice/pro life. It deosn't make you a neaderthal to think being gay isn't right and it doesn't make you stupid either, alot of practicing christians are against being gay, its what they feel.

 

[windovervocalcords]

At the risk of being attacked here, why does it matter if you are for gays or against gays. Being anti- gay is just some people beliefs, just like prochoice/pro life. It deosn't make you a neaderthal to think being gay isn't right and it doesn't make you stupid either, alot of practicing christians are against being gay, its what they feel.

My boss asked me if I am gay. I said, "Does it matter?" He said, "No, not really." I told him, "Yes." He said, "You're fired, . ...

Does intolerance matter?
http://hometown.aol.com/GraceEACA/chapter1.html

Not that long ago, it was considered consistent to be a Christian, and yet, hold slaves. But the day came when slavery was understood as an affront to the gospel itself. I want to suggest that the day has come when Christians must declare that gay bashing is an attack on the gospel and that real Christians do not participate in any form of discrimination.

Several years ago, I was asked to do the funeral of a gay man who had been beaten to death in a hate crime. At that time, I had never thought deeply about the danger many gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people face in this culture. That week as I worked on the service, I kept hearing a local "Christian" radio station blaming gay and lesbian people for everything wrong in America. By the end of the week I understood the link between religious hate speech and the funeral I was performing.

I know that critics of homosexuality do not consider themselves to be hateful. They would say they "love the sinner but hate the sin." If the shoe were on the other foot, however, and someone were attacking their families, trying to take their children away and constantly working to pass legislation to deprive them of basic civil rights, at some point they would understand that homophobia is too mild a word for such harassment. Hatred is the only proper term.
http://www.tolerance.org/news/article_tol.jsp?id=1383

WASHINGTON — Neil Patrick Harris wasn't outed, he was “lanced.”
That's a new term to describe celebrities who have been forced to reveal they're gay, said Reichen Lehmkuhl, boyfriend of 'N Sync star Lance Bass.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20061107.wlanced1107/BNStory/Entertainment/home

 

[Details]

At the risk of being attacked here, why does it matter if you are for gays or against gays. Being anti- gay is just some people beliefs, just like prochoice/pro life. It deosn't make you a neaderthal to think being gay isn't right and it doesn't make you stupid either, alot of practicing christians are against being gay, its what they feel.

I think that depends on what you mean by anti-gay. I'm anti-gay in that I can't imagine being gay, myself. In every other meaning, I'm not. Being anti-gay in that you don't think anyone else should be gay either - I think that matters some. Being anti-gay in that you think they are inferior, and thus should have restricted rights (to adopt, etc.) - matters a fair amount more. Being anti-gay in that you beat gay guys to death if you think they hit on you - matters a ton.

 

[2sisters]

I think that depends on what you mean by anti-gay. I'm anti-gay in that I can't imagine being gay, myself. In every other meaning, I'm not. Being anti-gay in that you don't think anyone else should be gay either - I think that matters some. Being anti-gay in that you think they are inferior, and thus should have restricted rights (to adopt, etc.) - matters a fair amount more. Being anti-gay in that you beat gay guys to death if you think they hit on you - matters a ton.

i mean that you non violently have a moral and religious problem with it, not that you are anti gay in the sense that you would commit acts of violence against gays or infringe on their civl rights.

 

[IrishMist]

i mean that you non violently have a moral and religious problem with it, not that you are anti gay in the sense that you would commit acts of violence against gays or infringe on their civl rights.

Ah, but if people would only do that! They don't. Look at all the anti-gay marriage laws we now have on the books. No one is trying to force churches to marry them. Why shouldn't they have the legal right to a civil wedding ceremony?

Gays aren't asking folks to tattoo rainbows on their foreheads in support... they're just asking for equal rights. Basic civil rights. To marry. To adopt children. Basic stuff.

 

[Details]

Ah, but if people would only do that! They don't. Look at all the anti-gay marriage laws we now have on the books. No one is trying to force churches to marry them. Why shouldn't they have the legal right to a civil wedding ceremony?

Gays aren't asking folks to tattoo rainbows on their foreheads in support... they're just asking for equal rights. Basic civil rights. To marry. To adopt children. Basic stuff.

I suspect there are some out there - they'd call themselves anti-gay, since they don't think it's a healthy choice, but they would say that marriage and adoption, etc. should be equal rights for gays as straight. I had a boss who might well fit into that definition - conservative republican type, but when the question of gay marriage came up, he said he just couldn't see any justification for why they shouldn't be able to get married, with the same rights the state gives any other married couple.

There are plenty who are anti-gay-people-having-equal-rights - and thus we have these laws, but there may be a fair number of the other varieties also.

 

[2sisters]

I think gays should be allowed to adopt as long as they are set to the same standards as straights of course. Marriage? Why not. I have no problems with gays, just like with straights I want their sex lives and personal stuff to remain private. I was just pointing out that others have the right to their opinion without being attacked.

 

[windovervocalcords]

I think gays should be allowed to adopt as long as they are set to the same standards as straights of course. Marriage? Why not. I have no problems with gays, just like with straights I want their sex lives and personal stuff to remain private. I was just pointing out that others have the right to their opinion without being attacked.

How is it you think you have been attacked for your opinion? I missed it.

On the other hand, if a post says gays are "not like the rest of us" does that sound intolerant to you?

How should one address intolerance?
http://www.tolerance.org/speakup/index.html

 

[michelle]

but I can understand if she is uncomfortable with that since it is your belief that being gay is a sin and one who is will go to hell.

Gee, did I say that? I dont think so.

 

[cappuccina]

...treatment of the Christian concept of "tolerance" just fries my brain...really, completely fries my brain...Almost no one practices it..

Truthfully, I think people like the Quakers and the Amish are actually more tolerant than most of us...

The worst I see truthfully tends to come from the right wing strict evangelicals on the Protestant side, strict Catholics, Orthodox Jews and conservative Muslims who condemn anyone who is "not like them..."

 

[csds703]

...treatment of the Christian concept of "tolerance" just fries my brain...really, completely fries my brain...Almost no one practices it..

Truthfully, I think people like the Quakers and the Amish are actually more tolerant than most of us...

The worst I see truthfully tends to come from the right wing strict evangelicals on the Protestant side, strict Catholics, Orthodox Jews and conservative Muslims who condemn anyone who is "not like them..."

They have to feel that way because if they didn't believe that their way is the only way, then they're whole life would be a lie. To truely follow their path, there is NO ROOM for differing viewpoints.
To each his own, as long as you don't preach, threaten or kill.