Doogie Howser is Gay!

[narlacat]

"Full stop" is what the Brits and their former colonies call the little dot at the end of this sentence.

In American, Narla said, "I don't believe in sin, PERIOD." Meaning no exceptions.

Yep, that's what I meant

Sorry I didn't make myself clearer.

 

[Nova]

Hi Nova

Yes, I know-

Um, I don't think so...I know of one ad (adverstisment) that has a black dude with a huge afro and he walks under a ceiling fan which is why his hair is flat on top....but for the life of me I can't think what the ad is for lol lol- you think it's that one?

The one my friend is in is for a radio station. He didn't mention a ceiling fan. But his wife told me everywhere he goes (he's teaching in Brisbane at the moment), people stop him and ask him to "hitsorcize" them. (I don't actually know how one would spell "hitsorcize.") He's the same actor I mentioned above that played a gay character on one of your hit TV shows. But I didn't ask the name of the show. (P.S. We call them "ads", too.)

I don't know if Kenny (my friend) is the guy with ceiling fan, but he does get cast a lot as "cool, U.S. ghetto guy." Which is funny because he is highly educated and mostly did Shakespeare before he went to Australia. He's also cast as gay quite a bit, though he isn't, but he doesn't mind.

 

[IrishMist]

Yep, that's what I meant

Sorry I didn't make myself clearer.

Works for me- I learned something from both of you, and that's always a good thing.

Well, usually always. I guess it depends on what you're learning, eh?

 

[Nova]

Yep, me too. I'd figure if they wanted to discuss it, I'd be happy to, but no reason to start the conversation or make it a big thing (unless they shunned or were obnoxious to a SO of mine).

Details, I think I forgot to say: yes, I agree with you. I don't condemn the cousin out of hand just because she hasn't made a certain announcement to the family group.

 

[narlacat]

The one my friend is in is for a radio station. He didn't mention a ceiling fan. But his wife told me everywhere he goes (he's teaching in Brisbane at the moment), people stop him and ask him to "hitsorcize" them. (I don't actually know how one would spell "hitsorcize.") He's the same actor I mentioned above that played a gay character on one of your hit TV shows. But I didn't ask the name of the show. (P.S. We call them "ads", too.)

I don't know if Kenny (my friend) is the guy with ceiling fan, but he does get cast a lot as "cool, U.S. ghetto guy." Which is funny because he is highly educated and mostly did Shakespeare before he went to Australia. He's also cast as gay quite a bit, though he isn't, but he doesn't mind.

Ok, it's maybe not the same one, next time I see it, I'll remember to pay attention..I don't think it's an ad for a radio station though..

Hmm, I wonder which one....there's lots I miss...not right up on stuff on tv, only the selected shows I watch...I don't just sit down and watch anything like some people do..

Brisbane's a bit of a dive, do they like it there?

 

[Nova]

I didn't know that! Thanks, Nova

Trust me, I listened to my British and Australian friends say "full stop" quite a few times before I figured it out. LOL.

 

[Nova]

Ok, it's maybe not the same one, next time I see it, I'll remember to pay attention..I don't think it's an ad for a radio station though..

Hmm, I wonder which one....there's lots I miss...not right up on stuff on tv, only the selected shows I watch...I don't just sit down and watch anything like some people do..

Brisbane's a bit of a dive, do they like it there?

They've only been there 6 months or so, and the wife (a theater director) spent most of that working here in the States. I'm not sure they have an opinion yet.

But they did laugh at themselves thinking of Brisbane as "the sticks" at first. (I can't remember if you have that term. It means, roughly, the Outback.) Of course, Brisbane is a modern city of a couple of million people.

(ETA: Muriel's Wedding is my favorite movie, so all of Queensland is "Porpoise Spit" in my mind.)

 

[jubie]

I was raised to believe gay people were sick and dirty. Then I met my husband (I was 17 he was 19) he was the most amazing person I'd ever met and I still think so. I was stunned when he told me his mum was gay, she was with her partner at the time for about 15 years. Fast forward to now and they are still together and my hubby and I have been married almost 17 years. They love eachother soooo much and cause no one any grief.(ok, maybe your typical MIL stuff but that doesn't count here,lol) I'm very glad I've had the opportunity to have my prejudice be wiped away, I'm ashamed I ever thought to consider what two adults do behind closed doors was ANY of my business.

I couldn't imagine having strangers OR family/friends judging me about how I share my love with someone in such an intimate way.


Peace. Love. Joy.

Jubie

 

[Nova]

Peace. Love. Joy.

Jubie

Good for you, Jubie! Your open-mindedness worked out well for you, your husband and your MILs, I bet.

 

[michelle]

The situation with my cousin is that she was living with a girl and I cant say for sure it was her girlfriend or not but I think it was. They were living together for about 4 years. Well the girl just recently moved out and moved back to Maine or something and my cousin has been down and out, says my aunt, her mother. Well I just wish she would talk to me. Just because I was raised a certain way does not mean I believe that to be 100% true. I was raised in a strict christian home. I mean I was taught that people who commited suicide went to hell and it scared me alot of times to hear some of the sermons. Now that I am older and have a better understanding I have different beliefs. I believe the Bible and I believe In God,thats no secret, but I am not a Judge and its not up to me to judge her.
I just wish she would talk to me and get it in the open so we can do things together. She never comes over when we make plans, cancels at the last minute all the time. She calls me however when she needs money in the past or something like that. I invite her over for dinner and all kinds of things, she never shows up, always has an excuse. I am not saying that she "owes" me anything as far as telling me but it makes it hard to maintain a relationship when she isolates herself. She knows me well enough to know it does not matter to me what she does in her personal life. My aunt and I both know that it has to be a struggle for her because she is very secretive with all of us. We have always been close, as kids and young adults. She is the one who introduced me to my hubby. Its just sad that her family relationships are suffering, even with her mom.

 

[Dark Knight]

Um, huh??

I must have missed something, aren't you Catholic?
And don't Catholics ostracize people, namely gays?

As far as I know, there are gays attending the same Mass I do, lol. The church teaches being gay is NOT a sin, only gay sex is. We've been thru this before, Miss Snarla. :slap:

 

[Details]

...Well I just wish she would talk to me. ....

I think she's just scared - even if she thinks you'd be fine about it, she may just have lost enough or have been betrayed enough, that she is too scared to take the chance of losing you. Can you talk to her? Ask if that was her girlfriend, and a breakup, and how are you doing, etc.?

 

[michelle]

I think she's just scared - even if she thinks you'd be fine about it, she may just have lost enough or have been betrayed enough, that she is too scared to take the chance of losing you. Can you talk to her? Ask if that was her girlfriend, and a breakup, and how are you doing, etc.?

I was thinking of doing that. I dont want her to feel weird, because I dont. I know she is a lesbian, I really dont care. She has not told her mom either, and is very secretive with her and my aunt is not religious at all! I dont know how to approach it though, you know. Its a tricky thing and I dont want her to get mad.

 

[julianne]

As far as I know, there are gays attending the same Mass I do, lol. The church teaches being gay is NOT a sin, only gay sex is. We've been thru this before, Miss Snarla. :slap:

:waitasec: :waitasec: That totally confuses me, DK. Being gay isn't a sin, but having "gay sex" is? So, then the church believes that people have a right to choose to be gay only to a certain extent? Like, it's okay to "a little gay"? Seriously, I'm not being rude, I just honestly really do not understand it. If I was gay, (I'm not, not that there's anything wrong with that, LOL--Seinfeld quote) then I could live with my parter and do everything that straight people do with their significant others, but as soon as we hit the bedroom behind closed doors, THEN it becomes a sin?

That's one reason why, although I am a very spiritual person, organized religion both infuriates me and cracks me up. Can't imagine someone dictating what I do in my bed, or on the floor, or on the kitchen table, LOL. Personally, I don't ever think that showing love for another human could even come close to making someone burn in Hell. The key word is showing LOVE. Boggles my mind how some can take something beautiful like showing love for someone that you LOVE, and turn it into a horrible sin worthy of damnation.

 

[michelle]

So would that be like Loving Crack, just not Smoking it, lol.....Just kidding....

 

[Dark Knight]

:waitasec: :waitasec: That totally confuses me, DK. Being gay isn't a sin, but having "gay sex" is? So, then the church believes that people have a right to choose to be gay only to a certain extent? Like, it's okay to "a little gay"? Seriously, I'm not being rude, I just honestly really do not understand it. If I was gay, (I'm not, not that there's anything wrong with that, LOL--Seinfeld quote) then I could live with my parter and do everything that straight people do with their significant others, but as soon as we hit the bedroom behind closed doors, THEN it becomes a sin?

That's one reason why, although I am a very spiritual person, organized religion both infuriates me and cracks me up. Can't imagine someone dictating what I do in my bed, or on the floor, or on the kitchen table, LOL. Personally, I don't ever think that showing love for another human could even come close to making someone burn in Hell. The key word is showing LOVE. Boggles my mind how some can take something beautiful like showing love for someone that you LOVE, and turn it into a horrible sin worthy of damnation.

lol, no. They believe that people are born gay, it's genetic. the sexual desire of someone who is the same sex isn't a choice, in other words. But following up that with sexual activity would be sinful. Yes, it would be self denial to not engage in a desire we are born with, but Christianity is all about self denial. Love of God and serving Him and pleasing Him has to be stronger than any other love we may feel.

 

[j2mirish]

lol, no. They believe that people are born gay, it's genetic. the sexual desire of someone who is the same sex isn't a choice, in other words. But following up that with sexual activity would be sinful. Yes, it would be self denial to not engage in a desire we are born with, but Christianity is all about self denial. Love of God and serving Him and pleasing Him has to be stronger than any other love we may feel.

:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: here we go again---this topic has run its course religiously!

this is echo of the divorce is a sin and cant remarry thread--- and dont shoot me--- I am catholic-hetro, and have family and friends that are gay and welcomed and loved with open arms--- and NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO judgement--- dk-- i tried hard not to even respond to this--- but come on---- the church believes "they " are born gay----but their sexual preference isnt a choice?:waitasec: :banghead: thats like saying I am born a hetro- but should sleep with women even though my choice is my husband------------ok-- i am outta here !

 

[Dark Knight]

:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: here we go again---this topic has run its course religiously!

this is echo of the divorce is a sin and cant remarry thread--- and dont shoot me--- I am catholic-hetro, and have family and friends that are gay and welcomed and loved with open arms--- and NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO judgement--- dk-- i tried hard not to even respond to this--- but come on---- the church believes "they " are born gay----but their sexual preference isnt a choice?:waitasec: :banghead: thats like saying I am born a hetro- but should sleep with women even though my choice is my husband------------ok-- i am outta here !

I agree, this topic has been retread far too often. This was about Doogie Howser announcing he was gay, lol! Mods can lock it as far as I am concerned.

I imagine I am done arguing, too. We just go around in circles, anyways.

 

[julianne]

:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: here we go again---this topic has run its course religiously!

this is echo of the divorce is a sin and cant remarry thread--- and dont shoot me--- I am catholic-hetro, and have family and friends that are gay and welcomed and loved with open arms--- and NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO judgement--- dk-- i tried hard not to even respond to this--- but come on---- the church believes "they " are born gay----but their sexual preference isnt a choice?:waitasec: :banghead: thats like saying I am born a hetro- but should sleep with women even though my choice is my husband------------ok-- i am outta here !

In defense of DK, I asked him a question specifically regarding his/Catholics religious stance on being gay, and he was just answering it. Now, I don't agree with it or even understand it fully, because to me, love is a beautiful thing and MY God would never want to deny me anything that is done out of love. I feel that when one can turn something like LOVE into something bad and sinful, well, that's just creepy to me.

I don't know if you made a typo above, but you said "the church believes 'they' are born gay----but their sexual preference isn't a choice". And said that's like saying you are born a heterosexual but should sleep with women. No, it's not saying that.....being born gay and having no choice in sexual preference is the same thing to me.

 

[IrishMist]

Actually, I think we've been having an excellent conversation, one that I've truly enjoyed.

We've all been good about discussing things lately without it getting out of hand, and I love that. I'd hate to see this thread get locked.