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[Julessleuther]

Can you give an example of some of those memories--maybe it is posted here and I missed it? Which presidents does he remember, which corporate mergers? They all may be clues. If he remembers a certain president, maybe he voted for that person, and thus was a registered voter of that party; if he remembers corporate mergers, maybe it is because it affected him personally, in that he or a family member worked for the company... Does this question need to be moved over to the memories thread?

EDIT: I am sorry, nevermind. I am watching Pattys videos and getting the information.

Excellent question-he has many varied memories of his past...profound events and mundane. The military has never ever been a part of it, I have to say.

He remembers presidents and administrations, world events, corporate mergers-he has been hypnotized and regressed during the last few years.

For those who may be reading as a result of the show, psychics have been involved in his case and I will spare you my very harsh opinion of how it went. I would have had less problem with it if it were not for the shocking cost of each reading....

 

[dreamweaver]

Benjamin Kyle:
I first noticed his story here a couple of days ago. I saw that he was to be on Dr Phill show.
SSN:
1. He CAN get a new ssn. There has to be very unusual circumstances, documented by LE or an approved agency.
I worked for a human services agency for over 20 years.
I knew of 2 instances where the person was able to get a new ssn.
1. a woman who was in a severe domestic abuse situation. The abuser was a computer genius. She had all this documented.
2. a man expartriated from Africa. Salvation Army helped him.
He must talk to a SSA mangement person. Perhaps the congressman's office can help him. Or perphaps he needs a very good lawyer.
Maybe there are lawyers who would donate their time. Or maybe Dr Phil's show would pay for it?
Maybe Dr Phil's show would pay the $800.00 cost of his medical records?
DNA: kinship dna: If it legal, his dna could be run through different agencenies to check on any kinship markers.
FINGERPRINTS:
check, police, state employees, school districts, military, fbi, dmv offices before 2004, to run his fingerprints.
I think I remember in the JonBenet R case, the retired policeman who came into case later, said that there are lots of different fingerprint data bases.

You would think someone might recognize him now, with the national exposure of Dr Phil's show. He had to have classmates, family, friends, co workers, acquaintances.
He had several surgical scars. Maybe there is a doctor out there who will recognize him or the description of his scars.
MYSPACE; someone could help set up a myspace page for him.
I would do it, if I could get permission from him.

Hope he is identified soon.

 

[cacnotcam]

Benjamin Kyle:
I first noticed his story here a couple of days ago. I saw that he was to be on Dr Phill show.
SSN:
1. He CAN get a new ssn. There has to be very unusual circumstances, documented by LE or an approved agency.
I worked for a human services agency for over 20 years.
I knew of 2 instances where the person was able to get a new ssn.
1. a woman who was in a severe domestic abuse situation. The abuser was a computer genius. She had all this documented.
2. a man expartriated from Africa. Salvation Army helped him.
He must talk to a SSA mangement person. Perhaps the congressman's office can help him. Or perphaps he needs a very good lawyer.
Maybe there are lawyers who would donate their time. Or maybe Dr Phil's show would pay for it?
Maybe Dr Phil's show would pay the $800.00 cost of his medical records?
DNA: kinship dna: If it legal, his dna could be run through different agencenies to check on any kinship markers.
FINGERPRINTS:
check, police, state employees, school districts, military, fbi, dmv offices before 2004, to run his fingerprints.
I think I remember in the JonBenet R case, the retired policeman who came into case later, said that there are lots of different fingerprint data bases.

You would think someone might recognize him now, with the national exposure of Dr Phil's show. He had to have classmates, family, friends, co workers, acquaintances.
He had several surgical scars. Maybe there is a doctor out there who will recognize him or the description of his scars.
MYSPACE; someone could help set up a myspace page for him.
I would do it, if I could get permission from him.

Hope he is identified soon.

I think he may have a Myspace page. I believe that I have seen it at some point. That is how I first heard of him in the first place IIRC.

 

[dreamweaver]

I went online and searched Savannah, Ga, Aug. 27, 2007.
I chose the 27th because it was the day before he was found.
There were MANY conferences listed, as well as, family reunions, weddings, golf tournaments, several scientific conferences, fishing trip, a reunion of former vets, including ones from Vietnam era, and so many more. There was an obituary notice for that date, which led me to think, maybe he came to town for a funeral, a wedding, birth of a grandchild, a business conference. Maybe he came into town for a medical procdure?
Are there well known hospitals in the area?

Did LE check rental cars that were turned in by leaving the car in the lot?
Or a rental car that the agency had to track down?
What about a car that might have been his? Did LE check all abandoned cars, did they check towing companies, did they check wrecker yards?
Any 911 tapes that maybe someone called and hung up? I know they call back now to check on the person, but did they in 2004 in Savannah or Richmond?

Did LE check security tapes from Burger King? Security tapes from nearby businesses, in a 12 block radius?

Did LE or the hospital check Benjamin K for any trace evidence? Carpet fibers, scrapings under his nails, hair combed through, any metal particles?
Did LE or the hospital measure the 3 depressions on the right side of his head to determine if they could match the size to a kind of weapon?
Or was he treated like a homeless person and not much attention was paid to him?

Did LE check bars, nightclubs, alternative lifestyle bars, escort services?
I don't know that BK drank, but I wonder if there were any fights reported
to LE by any of these places?

It will be great once we know and he knows who he is and what happened to him.

 

[dreamweaver]

I think he may have a Myspace page. I believe that I have seen it at some point. That is how I first heard of him in the first place IIRC.

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I tried to find his myspace page. I had created one for a family friend who was murdered and thought I would check Benjamin K's out.
I will search again. Do you have a link?
Thank you.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

Benjamin Kyle:
I first noticed his story here a couple of days ago. I saw that he was to be on Dr Phill show.
SSN:
1. He CAN get a new ssn. There has to be very unusual circumstances, documented by LE or an approved agency.
I worked for a human services agency for over 20 years.
I knew of 2 instances where the person was able to get a new ssn.
1. a woman who was in a severe domestic abuse situation. The abuser was a computer genius. She had all this documented.
2. a man expartriated from Africa. Salvation Army helped him.
He must talk to a SSA mangement person. Perhaps the congressman's office can help him. Or perphaps he needs a very good lawyer.
Maybe there are lawyers who would donate their time. Or maybe Dr Phil's show would pay for it?

While it is true you can get a new SS#, the new # must be linked to the old...which is why BK is probably running into roadblocks on that. (Anyone who has a verifiable identity theft of their SS# can get a new SS# because they have knowledge of what their old SS# was...which I think is also the case of both of your examples.)

 

[dreamweaver]

While it is true you can get a new SS#, the new # must be linked to the old...which is why BK is probably running into roadblocks on that. (Anyone who has a verifiable identity theft of their SS# can get a new SS# because they have knowledge of what their old SS# was...which I think is also the case of both of your examples.)

____________________________________
Of course, I should have thought of that. Thank you.
I do think with all his documented case and publicity of late, that the congressman may be able to help make an exception.
I hope so.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

When watching the show yesterday I thought I saw a little bit of an interview either going to a commercial or coming back from one in which someone stated that if BK had been left at the dumpster the day before that he would have been spotted a day earlier so therefor he was only there for a short amount of time. IIRC he was covered in bites and was sunburned badly? Can anyone point me in the right direction to get more information on that? Was he burned over all of his body or just on the side of his body exposed to the sun when he was lying there unconscious? Were the bites from being next to the dumpster? Were his injuries to his eyes caused by being left by the dumpster? Does anyone know if (LE, FBI, paramedics, etc.) have that information? Does BK have access to all the LE/medical reports from when he was found by the dumpster?

 

[Voice4theSilent]

____________________________________
Of course, I should have thought of that. Thank you.
I do think with all his documented case and publicity of late, that the congressman may be able to help make an exception.
I hope so.

Me, too! I can't understand why it would be such a problem for him to obtain a new ss# to get a job and contribute to society!!

 

[cacnotcam]

When watching the show yesterday I thought I saw a little bit of an interview either going to a commercial or coming back from one in which someone stated that if BK had been left at the dumpster the day before that he would have been spotted a day earlier so therefor he was only there for a short amount of time. IIRC he was covered in bites and was sunburned badly? Can anyone point me in the right direction to get more information on that? Was he burned over all of his body or just on the side of his body exposed to the sun when he was lying there unconscious? Were the bites from being next to the dumpster? Were his injuries to his eyes caused by being left by the dumpster? Does anyone know if (LE, FBI, paramedics, etc.) have that information? Does BK have access to all the LE/medical reports from when he was found by the dumpster?

Not sure but they implied that his severe cataracts could have been caused by him laying out in the sun unconscious for a long period of time. Not sure where I read that though.

 

[cacnotcam]

Me, too! I can't understand why it would be such a problem for him to obtain a new ss# to get a job and contribute to society!!

Yeah, you would think that they would make an exception for him, as they do with others. Maybe they are thinking that he will find his identity and then there will be a whole slew of problems with him having two SS numbers? Either way, I say give him one!

 

[believe09]

I went online and searched Savannah, Ga, Aug. 27, 2007.
I chose the 27th because it was the day before he was found.
There were MANY conferences listed, as well as, family reunions, weddings, golf tournaments, several scientific conferences, fishing trip, a reunion of former vets, including ones from Vietnam era, and so many more. There was an obituary notice for that date, which led me to think, maybe he came to town for a funeral, a wedding, birth of a grandchild, a business conference. Maybe he came into town for a medical procdure?
Are there well known hospitals in the area?

Did LE check rental cars that were turned in by leaving the car in the lot?
Or a rental car that the agency had to track down?
What about a car that might have been his? Did LE check all abandoned cars, did they check towing companies, did they check wrecker yards?
Any 911 tapes that maybe someone called and hung up? I know they call back now to check on the person, but did they in 2004 in Savannah or Richmond?

Did LE check security tapes from Burger King? Security tapes from nearby businesses, in a 12 block radius?

Did LE or the hospital check Benjamin K for any trace evidence? Carpet fibers, scrapings under his nails, hair combed through, any metal particles?
Did LE or the hospital measure the 3 depressions on the right side of his head to determine if they could match the size to a kind of weapon?
Or was he treated like a homeless person and not much attention was paid to him?

Did LE check bars, nightclubs, alternative lifestyle bars, escort services?
I don't know that BK drank, but I wonder if there were any fights reported
to LE by any of these places?

It will be great once we know and he knows who he is and what happened to him.

I am going to be honest with you-two rookie cops responded to Benjaman's location, and did nothing because they decided that he was a bum who had been rolled.

No investigation. Nothing. Rental car companies do not keep info on missing rental cars available to the public for the time frame we were looking. The hotels do not report missing guests typically because it counts as a police report against the hotel chain.

BK's labs were CLEAN-no drugs, no alcohol. Nada.

Everyone was quite surprised when he actually started coming around and talking. He had blinding cataracts and the cost of removal was DONATED by physicians. Then when he saw himself, he had no idea who he was looking at for the most part. Some older guy. Because he had lost 20 years at that point....

There was NOTHING done to discover his ID by the police at the time of the assault.

He was floundering, trapped at a rehab facility when Katherine came upon him and now she keeps an eye on this otherwise very smart, very capable man.

 

[believe09]

Yeah, you would think that they would make an exception for him, as they do with others. Maybe they are thinking that he will find his identity and then there will be a whole slew of problems with him having two SS numbers? Either way, I say give him one!

I say run with this thought!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We need to find someone who will sponsor him to get some ID-I mean whose to say when he discovers who he is he may not want to stay Benjaman because that is who he is right now???

 

[cacnotcam]

I am going to be honest with you-two rookie cops responded to Benjaman's location, and did nothing because they decided that he was a bum who had been rolled.

No investigation. Nothing. Rental car companies do not keep info on missing rental cars available to the public for the time frame we were looking. The hotels do not report missing guests typically because it counts as a police report against the hotel chain.

BK's labs were CLEAN-no drugs, no alcohol. Nada.

Everyone was quite surprised when he actually started coming around and talking. He had blinding cataracts and the cost of removal was DONATED by physicians. Then when he saw himself, he had no idea who he was looking at for the most part. Some older guy. Because he had lost 20 years at that point....

There was NOTHING done to discover his ID by the police at the time of the assault.

He was floundering, trapped at a rehab facility when Katherine came upon him and now she keeps an eye on this otherwise very smart, very capable man.

I know....That is so sad. If they had actually done a proper investigation, they mave have discovered clothing, heck maybe even a wallet somewhere around the scene. I mean he was by a dumpster. God knows what the person resonsible for his attack did with his things. Imagine if the key to his identity was RIGHT there and no one bothered to look because they thought he was "just" a bum. :furious:

 

[cacnotcam]

I say run with this thought!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We need to find someone who will sponsor him to get some ID-I mean whose to say when he discovers who he is he may not want to stay Benjaman because that is who he is right now???

Oh yeah...Very true. Either way, the poor man needs to be able to do what he wants i.e. get a job and it is terrible that under the circumstances he has been told no when clearly it IS possible!

 

[dreamweaver]

I think his medical reports cost $800.00 and no one had come up with the money. Probably the cost to the hospital for copying all the record.
Still, maybe Dr Phil's show or the congressman can come up with the cash.
His ssn can probably be circumvented by his congressman. Maybe we should email the congressman?
..
So, there is no extensive LE report/case record?
I guess the EMT"s report would be with the hospital records?
Unless it was a private company, like some cities have?
Or the fire dept.?
Richmond, Ga fire dept. I will go search online.
Found myspace page. Will post it.

 

[SeekingJana]

I needed a few hours to process what I saw and heard on TV and separate it from how I feel about this case. The helper in me has always wanted to see him reunited with his family asap. Like yesterday. The realist in me says- whoa, something happened to cause him to have a mental break, and it wasn't even the beating behind Burger King, according to the experts who have interviewed him. ( Interview being the new word for therapy sessions).

The practical part: He said himself that he COULD get A SS# IF he declared himself to be an alien resident. IOW, an immigrant.
I can see why that would not be helpful or desirable to him. The other thing is that he has mentioned physical impairments in the past. If these still exist ( and I believe they do), since there is no work record for him, he would not be able to collect any type of medical disability payments.
I guess we are talking about things like food stamps or something. I don't know a lot about what adults can collect from gov't assistance programs, but it seems to be a dismal way to live, anyway.
My feeling is that he truly wants HIS life back. His chosen profession, his home, loved ones, etc. We all strive for a life with roots and meaning. He thinks he was just an ordinary guy, living an ordinary life.

I noticed that he gave no indication of whether he thought he had been married or had children. He mentioned parents taking him to the fair as a child. He had memories of himself and the world around him as a child and young person, but nothing about his personal life as an adult.. These are classic signs of emotional repression and suppression. If they aren't very careful with the memory recovery program Dr. Phil is putting him into ( very generous of him to offer this), Benjaman may well slip into a fugue state if his memories are not recovered with extreme emotional preparedness.

Another thing that bothers me is this: We have no idea, really, but the experts who have examined Benjaman say that his memory loss is not caused from brain injury or trauma, that his brain is fine, that it is psychological repression or suppression. I was surprised to learn that they do not even think it was the trauma from the beating!!

It bothers me that he may walk right back into whatever caused the mental trauma that blocked his memory flow, and not be prepared for what he finds.
He needs a very good support system in place, like a returning combat veteran needs, IF his former identity can be recovered and he does go back to where he was in life as best as possible.
Like people who search for birth parents and their heritage, this man must be able to accept whatever he finds out about himself, his circumstances and the people he loved before he showed up in Savannah behind a dumpster.

I think he is strong, but I also see a vulnerability in him which is quite endearing, but also may cause hurt if he doesn't have true friends standing with him throughout his journey.

I wish him the absolute best- a happy reunion, a career he can resume, long term help to regain all of his memories and the emotions associated with the memories, and loving arms to surround him so that he's never truly alone again.

Maria

 

[cacnotcam]

I think his medical reports cost $800.00 and no one had come up with the money. Probably the cost to the hospital for copying all the record.
Still, maybe Dr Phil's show or the congressman can come up with the cash.
His ssn can probably be circumvented by his congressman. Maybe we should email the congressman?
..
So, there is no extensive LE report/case record?
I guess the EMT"s report would be with the hospital records?
Unless it was a private company, like some cities have?
Or the fire dept.?
Richmond, Ga fire dept. I will go search online.
Found myspace page. Will post it.

Yeah I say that emailing the congressman couldn't hurt. But hopefully after being on Dr. Phil, someone will maybe offer to cover the $800 fee for him, or maybe even Dr. Phil will. He seems (love him or hate him) to be pretty good to his guests and that includes follow-up care.

 

[cacnotcam]

I needed a few hours to process what I saw and heard on TV and separate it from how I feel about this case. The helper in me has always wanted to see him reunited with his family asap. Like yesterday. The realist in me says- whoa, something happened to cause him to have a mental break, and it wasn't even the beating behind Burger King, according to the experts who have interviewed him. ( Interview being the new word for therapy sessions).

The practical part: He said himself that he COULD get A SS# IF he declared himself to be an alien resident. IOW, an immigrant.
I can see why that would not be helpful or desirable to him. The other thing is that he has mentioned physical impairments in the past. If these still exist ( and I believe they do), since there is no work record for him, he would not be able to collect any type of medical disability payments.
I guess we are talking about things like food stamps or something. I don't know a lot about what adults can collect from gov't assistance programs, but it seems to be a dismal way to live, anyway.
My feeling is that he truly wants HIS life back. His chosen profession, his home, loved ones, etc. We all strive for a life with roots and meaning. He thinks he was just an ordinary guy, living an ordinary life.

I noticed that he gave no indication of whether he thought he had been married or had children. He mentioned parents taking him to the fair as a child. He had memories of himself and the world around him as a child and young person, but nothing about his personal life as an adult.. These are classic signs of emotional repression and suppression. If they aren't very careful with the memory recovery program Dr. Phil is putting him into ( very generous of him to offer this), Benjaman may well slip into a fugue state if his memories are not recovered with extreme emotional preparedness.

Another thing that bothers me is this: We have no idea, really, but the experts who have examined Benjaman say that his memory loss is not caused from brain injury or trauma, that his brain is fine, that it is psychological repression or suppression. I was surprised to learn that they do not even think it was the trauma from the beating!!

It bothers me that he may walk right back into whatever caused the mental trauma that blocked his memory flow, and not be prepared for what he finds.
He needs a very good support system in place, like a returning combat veteran needs, IF his former identity can be recovered and he does go back to where he was in life as best as possible.
Like people who search for birth parents and their heritage, this man must be able to accept whatever he finds out about himself, his circumstances and the people he loved before he showed up in Savannah behind a dumpster.

I think he is strong, but I also see a vulnerability in him which is quite endearing, but also may cause hurt if he doesn't have true friends standing with him throughout his journey.

I wish him the absolute best- a happy reunion, a career he can resume, long term help to regain all of his memories and the emotions associated with the memories, and loving arms to surround him so that he's never truly alone again.

Maria

I agree with EVERYTHING that you just said! Very well put and I certainly hope that he does not crumble when he does (and I have faith that he will) discover what really happened.

 

[Julessleuther]

Believe, I understand what you are saying, but I worked in corporate travel mgmt for 14 yrs---the company I did travel for would receive bills 1-2 yrs down the road for damage that their employees did to the autos. The car rental companies DO keep records of those things, as well as traffic tickets issued on a car when in a renters possession etc. I know from personal experience, with a biz trip I took 12 yrs ago, and had an accident while in a rental car, that they keep those records for many years. Since this is only four yrs ago, it IS possible that we could get some kind of info. As far as hotels, perhaps they do not want to do a police report, but if we searched hotels in the general area and sent them a letter or something, we could ask if they have ANY unclaimed property etc for the last few years. It might be possible to find something. BK said he thought he was going to the coast, so maybe he was at a hotel closer to the water? Maybe he DID rent a car in Savannah or Atlanta etc. There has to be something! I have been reading here that people even within the Savannah area are only hearing about this now, so perhaps many more people have also not heard of this, so therefore do not know to come forward. Is there any indication that he has been hit by a car or was in an auto accident? Thanks for all the info you are giving us!

I am going to be honest with you-two rookie cops responded to Benjaman's location, and did nothing because they decided that he was a bum who had been rolled.

No investigation. Nothing. Rental car companies do not keep info on missing rental cars available to the public for the time frame we were looking. The hotels do not report missing guests typically because it counts as a police report against the hotel chain.

BK's labs were CLEAN-no drugs, no alcohol. Nada.

Everyone was quite surprised when he actually started coming around and talking. He had blinding cataracts and the cost of removal was DONATED by physicians. Then when he saw himself, he had no idea who he was looking at for the most part. Some older guy. Because he had lost 20 years at that point....

There was NOTHING done to discover his ID by the police at the time of the assault.

He was floundering, trapped at a rehab facility when Katherine came upon him and now she keeps an eye on this otherwise very smart, very capable man.