Dr. Phil w/George and Cindy Anthony Air Date 9/13 and 9/14 2011 Thead # 2

[Aedrys]

I think Cindy and Casey share turning emotions on and off like a switch. If they feel they need to playact for sympathy, they'll do it without another thought. If they feel real emotions are needed, they'll have real emotions without thinking about them - those emotions just happen, and neither women control those emotions very well at all. I think trying to put Cindy as either a sympathetic grandmother or just a total charlatan is not exactly right. I don't think she's just one or the other. I think she does what she needs to do when she needs to do it. And other times, her real emotion does take over, which is why the fight between her and Casey happened, and also some of her treatment of other people. She was going off of raw, selfish emotion a lot of the time (the amount of times she's denied it, and then finally said there was a cuddling and video watching session that night tells me that fight happened).

Most people have regular emotions, but learn to contain them, or that there is a time and place for them. To Casey and Cindy, anytime is the right time for them to do anything. There is no filter, no control, unless they are looking to get something out of it, like sympathy. Even then, it's like a switch. They do it in seconds because they are so skilled at doing it. They can't control their emotions, but they also know how to manipulate and intidimate people into doing what they want when they want. They have learned that they are both the boss, and the world is according to what they want when they want. The problem is that Casey started wanting different things than Cindy wanted, and that's where the head butting came in, and that's why Caylee ultimately lost her life.

Refusing to control emotions does not make a person a good person. I can honestly say that I would not treat anyone like crap if something happened to a loved one. I wouldn't leave nasty messages and accuse everyone around me of wrongdoing. I can't believe anyone on this forum would act that way, and to excuse it because we just don't know what we'd do in Cindy's shoes? I never ever EVER want to be in her shoes, not because of the great loss, but because her shoes are filled with selfish, nightmarish behavior that I can never see myself being or becoming. I consider myself to be a far better person than Cindy can ever be, and I believe everyone on this forum is better than her too. There is no reason to ever act the way Cindy has. It is not okay, never okay to be like her in the situation of a great loss of a loved one.

I think the Dr. Phil show is bringing this out. He doesn't seem to be especially trustful or sympathetic towards Cindy, and I don't blame him. I'm still interested to see if he plugs their charity and gives the big donation to them that they are expecting. I hate to see Cindy rewarded for three years of nasty, unforgivable, and immoral behavior. I'm not nearly as mad at George even though he did some wrong things too, but I hold Cindy's feet to the fire more. I think George just went along with her out of misguided sense of guilt of not being a good father to Casey. I don't trust him, but do I think he will carry that for the rest of his life.

 

[DianaElaine]

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I agree and you are right there are households where the matriarch rules.
I see that in my own extended family aunts and their female daughters are the top dogs in the family while the husband and brother are to do what they are told.

There are also men who are submissive by nature, and enjoy being so.

So yes, there's another whole world out there, in the Dominant/submissive area.

 

[Solace]

CA makes no sense. She says she was told that Caylee was found not where FCA thought she was and that's why she couldn't come forward with the drowning...because she couldn't say where she was. Well, FCA would not have known she wasn't where she left her until she was found elsewhere. UNLESS CA is talking about DC walking the woods...and she wasn't there (even though she really was)/ And CA saying what were we going to do anyway...was she talking about knowing where Caylee was for at least 2 months..."what were we going to do anyway"? That's what it sounds like to me. I never thought this before but I think the meeting with JB was actually back in October or whenever....not right before the trial.....told CA where Caylee was..CA sent the bear to the psychic...the silent interview happened and GA was clueless. I really really believe this now. DAMN

Hi Strawberry,

The lying from this family knows no bounds. KC was in jail when Caylee was found on December 11th. So she could not come forward before then because SHE KNEW THAT CAYLEE WAS NOT IN THE PLACE SHE LEFT HER. How would she know Caylee was moved? SHE WAS IN JAIL. Also, it is not like Caylee was found miles and miles away; it was a matter of yards, if AT ALL.

KC could not come forward because she knew there was tape on Caylee's mouth and that she had put it there.

And when was Cindy told this? That would be a great question. She would lie and say after December 11th and that is why I couldn't come forward; Cindy would also say KC went back a few times and Caylee was never there.

KEEP TALKING CINDY

 

[strawberry]

Hi Strawberry,

The lying from this family knows no bounds. KC was in jail when Caylee was found on December 11th. So she could not come forward before then because SHE KNEW THAT CAYLEE WAS NOT IN THE PLACE SHE LEFT HER. How would she know Caylee was moved? SHE WAS IN JAIL. Also, it is not like Caylee was found miles and miles away; it was a matter of yards, if AT ALL.

KC could not come forward because she knew there was tape on Caylee's mouth and that she had put it there.

And when was Cindy told this? That would be a great question. She would lie and say after December 11th and that is why I couldn't come forward; Cindy would also say KC went back a few times and Caylee was never there.

KEEP TALKING CINDY

ITA! She slipped when she said that IMO. Something's stinky.

 

[Aedrys]

Is the show coming on at 9am for someone today like it did last week? I'm just curious and a bit impatient, LOL.

 

[LambChop]

There are also men who are submissive by nature, and enjoy being so.

So yes, there's another whole world out there, in the Dominant/submissive area.

I think in a relationship one has to be the leader and one the follower. If there were two leaders all they would do is argue and their relationship would not last long. Two followers would get nothing accomplished become bored with each other. Dominant/submissive are the basis of most relationships. Now what I have seen is because of circumstances those roles switch out and totally reverse themselves say if one partner is ill, out of necessity.

GA feels it is necessary for him to make himself clear about how he feels about KC and their relationship. Hope he sticks to it. jmo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

There are also men who are submissive by nature, and enjoy being so.

So yes, there's another whole world out there, in the Dominant/submissive area.

I think a lot of it has to do with how a man has been raised. If they have been raised by a domineering mother they tend to marry women who are often like their mothers and simply think that is the role they are to undertake in their own marriages. In a lot of homes the mother/wife is the matriarch of the home especially when it comes to making decisions about the children.

IMO

 

[com n sense]

Which I believe brings us to LA statement "is this like the last time"

Exactly grammie! When Lee said that I just had this feeling that he wasn't talking about Caylee.
This family has many secrets & they are all to do with covering for KC.
It's what the know & do best.
All their actions that we have seen ( not mentioning the ones we don't know about) are to cover for KC.
The babies Dad, cheque fraud, stolen money, non existant jobs, bogus nannys & friends, murder, everything KC has ever done has been covered up.
They have been covering for her for a long, long time.

 

[LambChop]

Hi Strawberry,

The lying from this family knows no bounds. KC was in jail when Caylee was found on December 11th. So she could not come forward before then because SHE KNEW THAT CAYLEE WAS NOT IN THE PLACE SHE LEFT HER. How would she know Caylee was moved? SHE WAS IN JAIL. Also, it is not like Caylee was found miles and miles away; it was a matter of yards, if AT ALL.

KC could not come forward because she knew there was tape on Caylee's mouth and that she had put it there.

And when was Cindy told this? That would be a great question. She would lie and say after December 11th and that is why I couldn't come forward; Cindy would also say KC went back a few times and Caylee was never there.

KEEP TALKING CINDY

KC was out on bail three times before going back to jail on October 14th. CA is claiming KC could not come forward because the body had been moved. Unless she were to look herself, how could she possibly know that. What CA is saying makes no sense. Unless KC went back during those 31 days and noticed that Caylee's body had, indeed, been moved around by the animals. This is the only way her statement would make any sense. Otherwise it appears KC told JB and JB either looked himself, which I doubt, or had someone do it for him through CA which would have been DC.

This was a very telling statement by CA. jmo

 

[LambChop]

I think a lot of it has to do with how a man has been raised. If they have been raised by a domineering mother they tend to marry women who are often like their mothers and simply think that is the role they are to undertake in their own marriages. In a lot of homes the mother/wife is the matriarch of the home especially when it comes to making decisions about the children.

IMO

GA's father owned a large auto sales business and I would imagine was not home much. That would leave the Mom in total charge of the children. jmo

 

[Solace]

ITA! She slipped when she said that IMO. Something's stinky.

Reeks is more like it. And you will notice that when Dr. Phil finally confronts Cindy on Caylee getting lost in this - Cindy brings on the tears. Look, I can understand she loves her daughter. I really can (I think); however, when your daughter not only kills your grandchild but puts you through unimaginable waiting for no reason and when your daughter then implicates her father (Cindy's husband) and accuses him of the worst crime a man can be accused of and that is sexual abuse (it is worse than murder - because with murder one can say well there were mitigating circumstances - but with sexual abuse, there is no excuse that will work), then one would think that Cindy would finally come to the aid of the wrongly accused and wrongly abused and killed; namely, her grandchild and her husband. She could admit what is happening OR SHE COULD SAY NOTHING AT ALL.

I don't understand how this relationship still works, but apparently it is okay with George if Cindy continues this and continues it on national TV. Obviously, Cindy wants KC back in her life and obviously Cindy is doing this because she wants to free herself of any guilt; namely, not protecting Caylee and taking her from KC.

She absolutely knew she was not working; I don't care if she went to Universal forty times; Cindy knew KC was not working. She knew she had no future to get her own apartment and said so to Jesse Grund. She was told by George that KC is not adding up and she told him to let it go. So they let it go and NOW CINDY HAS TO LIVE WITH THE FACT THAT SHE LET IT GO AND CAYLEE WAS KILLED.

But this is where her lying gets beyond egregious when she goes on tv and says her daughter is innocent and it was an accident. She has learned nothing from this and she aids and abets KCs continued lying about all of this. I have no doubt that KC is laughing as she watches it and says 'what an idiot'. I can say just about anything and do anything and still get away with it.

 

[Aedrys]

I really think Casey though Caylee would be in the same spot. Neither her nor her family thought about animals tearing the body apart and spreading the pieces. That hadn't happened before to any animals that were buried, so Casey applied the same logic to tossing Caylee into the swamp. I think DC was sent down there, and when the body wasn't found where it was supposed to be according to Casey (I don't know if it was through Baez, or if she told mom when she was home), then Casey said it was moved because had no idea about decomp and animals spreading the body around. I would think Cindy would be more knowledgeable being a nurse, but apparently not. And now Cindy is hiding behind the body being moved as to why Casey couldn't come forward. It's just so ridiculous to me it's not even funny.

 

[BellaVita]

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I have read countless articles about what family members have to endure when living with a family member who is a cold unfeeling narcissistic psychopath and that alone makes the family dysfunctional and the ones who aren't narcissists become targets and are in survival mode everyday of their lives. I wanted to see if other families go through what I went through in my childhood growing up while living with one.
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I went through it. My mother and sister were bonded and I was odd child out. My other sister went along with it. Nothing like being on the outside looking in within your own family. Maybe that was Lee's role?

Now Lee......well Lee knew early on that he was valued very little but he did realize the best way to survive his ordeal was to be for his mother and sister and against the main one they pushed off the back burner.


Just like abusers pick their victims imo narcissist marry those they know they can dominate and rule with an iron fist. After awhile like the abused spouse or child begin to think their lives are normal. One only looks to control and the other one thinks the micro-managing every step they take is done out of love. My upbringing, sad to say, has prepared me to live the life I have now. Nobody else would tolerate it unless trained to do so in their upbringing. The Narc will destroy everything you used to be. They are so scarey when you realize they will destroy you without a second thought. Like CA told Tim Miller:don't mess with the A's. You won't win. I shudder at what GA and LA may have gone through. Me-knowledge is power and I will overcome. This family has helped me understand alot.
Narcissist are masters at manipulations especially when it comes to their own families. They blame you for their own wrongdoings and convince you that you are the one that is unworthy and it is a cruel mind game that often works. It is like years of brainwashing and they are excellent at it. ITA. If they tell you the sun is shining as it is pouring rain, you'd almost believe it.
IMO

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[grammieto5]

I've always felt that Cindy never really cared for Caylee. If she had, I don't see how she could have cleaned up the decomp in the trunk of Casey's car. If she had cared for Caylee she would never have thought it fine to leave her "shell" in the swampy woods. I would have fought tooth and nail to retrieve the body of one of my pets if it lay dead in a swamp.

I don't think she really cares for Casey either except where it shows a good light upon herself. Cindy always talked so sweetly to Casey, similar to how Casey talked to her friends. (Remember how Casey said, "Oh, honey, you know I love you," to her friend, Kristina, just before she said "calling you all was a waste.") In the same manner, Cindy, while in the midst of talking sweetly to Casey, she was constantly cutting her up, being passive aggressive. I got the impression, even in the letters Cindy sent Casey in jail that she was constantly telling her things she knew would hurt her.

WOW I agree with what you have written except for the part in bold. My heart broke for CA, in the beginning. I even wrote this letter to CA, December 19, 2008 Dear Cindy, I don’t know if you will receive this letter. (I hope you do) You don’t know me, I’m just a grandma like you.

I have watched you on TV and on some videos on my computer.

Since I heard your 911 call, I believe in July, I have felt so much sadness for you. To be a grandma and to go through what you are going through just makes me wish this was not happening to you.

I kept believing with you that your granddaughter would come home, safe, and you would again be able to have the grandma times again, the special ones only we grandmas get to have.

My first granddaughter is twenty years old. I wanted so much for you to be able to experience these years with your granddaughter.

Today my heart is so very heavy with sadness for you. How I wish so very much today did not happen to you.

I wish I knew the words that will help you in the future, I don’t, I hope you can continue to stay as strong as you have been. As horrible as these last months have been for you I feel the worst is yet to come.

I made rag dolls like this for the children who lost everything in Katrina….I’m sending you one, when you feel like you just can’t go on anymore maybe you will look at this rag doll and maybe you’ll find just a little more strength inside of you and maybe you could make it through just one more day.

I’ll be thinking of you everyday Cindy---stay strong. I now believe CA never cared for Caylee. I believe CA's lack of feeling for Caylee comes from CA feelings towards Caylee's father. I still believe in KARMA, it's gonna get you CA

 

[com n sense]

Hi Strawberry,

The lying from this family knows no bounds. KC was in jail when Caylee was found on December 11th. So she could not come forward before then because SHE KNEW THAT CAYLEE WAS NOT IN THE PLACE SHE LEFT HER. How would she know Caylee was moved? SHE WAS IN JAIL. Also, it is not like Caylee was found miles and miles away; it was a matter of yards, if AT ALL.

KC could not come forward because she knew there was tape on Caylee's mouth and that she had put it there.

And when was Cindy told this? That would be a great question. She would lie and say after December 11th and that is why I couldn't come forward; Cindy would also say KC went back a few times and Caylee was never there.

KEEP TALKING CINDY

ITA about the duct tape. Cindy must think the public are a bunch of fools! KC couldn't come forward because the body was moved? REALLY....the area was not big & a few dogs would have been brought in to see if KC was telling the truth for once in her life. That was the lamest excuse I've heard out of her mouth in a while.

 

[Aedrys]

I don't think it's that she cares for Casey over Caylee, but she sees it at this. Caylee is gone. Caylee doesn't exist anymore. All she has left is Casey. What is she without Casey? She is nothing without Casey. Lee and George just don't matter as much. Without Casey, Cindy is a shell. So she has forced herself to fight for and continue to love Casey to the exclusion of Caylee. I don't think it's that she never loved Caylee. I think Cindy's love stops when someone or a pet dies. When something doesn't exist physically anymore, it doesn't exist emotionally for her anymore. Cindy needs physical people to make her who she is, not those that have passed on. And the only physical person left that makes Cindy who she is is Casey. She's right, she couldn't and still can't lose the both of them. She needs Casey to feel complete. And Casey can always give her another grandchild. Caylee is replaceable, but Casey is not. It's sad, but true.

 

[Solace]

I don't think it's that she cares for Casey over Caylee, but she sees it at this. Caylee is gone. Caylee doesn't exist anymore. All she has left is Casey. What is she without Casey? She is nothing without Casey. Lee and George just don't matter as much. Without Casey, Cindy is a shell. So she has forced herself to fight for and continue to love Casey to the exclusion of Caylee. I don't think it's that she never loved Caylee. I think Cindy's love stops when someone or a pet dies. When something doesn't exist physically anymore, it doesn't exist emotionally for her anymore. Cindy needs physical people to make her who she is, not those that have passed on. And the only physical person left that makes Cindy who she is is Casey. She's right, she couldn't and still can't lose the both of them. She needs Casey to feel complete. And Casey can always give her another grandchild.

I agree Aedrys, but I also think that it is important for her to NOT ADMIT that KC did this, because then she has to admit that SHE DID NOT PROTECT CAYLEE and there is nothing worse than having to say "if only I had". We have all had to say that at one time or another, but to have to say it regarding murder is quite another thing and she iwll not put herself in that position.

 

[fifteen89]

Well, Monday's Dr. Phil has more of Cindy and George.
35 minutes in and nothing exciting so far.

Cindy actually believes there was more evidence of drowning than anything else.

She thinks the jurors felt (and Cindy agrees) that the State didn't prove their burden.

She thinks the jurors basically picked and choosed (my words) what they wanted from the defense theory - they didn't believe the molestation but did believe Caylee drowned and Casey panicked.

Cindy KNOWS George didn't molest Casey - Dr. Phil asked if she confronted George after hearing the accusations and she said "I didn't need to" because she knew it wasn't true.

yada yada yada.

Cindy alone with Dr. Phil next.........

Oh, and George wanted guilty of something and Cindy hoped and prayed for NG's.
When George heard the 3rd NG he thought "OMG, my daughter is gonna walk out of here" and was devastated. Cindy was elated.


ETA:
And Cindy thinks George believing Casey's involvement is because he's so "hurt" from her/JB's accusations.

GMAB.

 

[sumbunny]

Quite amazing how cindy chooses what to believe from the defense.

So some of the defense theory is correct in her mind, and some parts are outrageous lies???

Get a grip Cindy. It's all lies!

 

[fifteen89]

Didn't someone post here that back in 2008 there weren't popup suggestions when you googled? Like if Cindy googled chlorophyll - it wouldn't "prompt it to go to chloroform" like Cindy says?