Dr. Phil w/George and Cindy Anthony Air Date 9/13 and 9/14 2011 Thead # 2

[fifteen89]

BBM -JMO but CA saying this is the equivalent of someone saying "Yes, it's fine to put the baby in the lion's cage, he's been declawed".

I'm trying to remember exactly what Cindy said -- your post made me remember part of it at least. Cindy said something like after all that Casey has been through that Cindy felt Casey would be 'extra careful'.

 

[Solace]

I've been reading and reading and reading all the comments about Cindy and how Cindy didn't love Caylee and has finished grieving for her and now it's all about FCA.

I don't agree at all. I think what we have seen is grieving interrupted. We've seen glimpses of Cindy's grief - the 911 call, the video where she is so sedated, and Cindy on the stand at the trial. Very real emotions there.

But something in Cindy will not allow her to take it further. Because I believe to accept the death of a loved on is to ALSO accept the circumstances involving that death. And here's where the interruption came. In the first step of mourning, Cindy could not accept that FCA killed Caylee. And she moved into FCA is innocent, save FCA mode. And it has lasted for three years.

There is only one thing wrong with trying to believe, in fact insisting that you yourself believe something that your soul, your unconscious mind and even your waking self knows to be a lie. Cindy "knows" FCA is not innocent - but she is pulling every card she can think of. That's what we are seeing - a refusal to accept FCA's guilt.

That's called crazy thinking. And the big problem with crazy thinking is - it makes you crazy - and the longer you do it, the more bizarre you become to avoid the truth. Voila - the performance on the Dr. Phil Show.

I've always said and will say it again - God help Cindy the day her eyes and heart opens to the truth - that FCA killed Caylee with malice aforethought. That day may very well destroy her. And that day WILL come. That's the day Cindy will truly begin to grieve the loss of Caylee. IMO.

That day will come as surely as I believe FCA will make a misstep - and be back in front of a judge and jury again.

Really good post Logical. You have the subconscious down. And that is why when she answers questions about whether she believes KC is innocent or not, she inevitably moves in her chair, brushes her face somehow, uses a tissue or the like because her subcon KNOWS this to be a lie and it will not accept it. It really is amazing.

 

[logicalgirl]

I hope so too. But I'm afraid they'll hang on to the minority TH's (JB said on the View that the jurors were courageous, strong or whatever word he used to come to the NG verdict.....and the Janie Weintraub and Linda Kenney Baden's of the world still talking nonsense) saying what a great job they did....while the rest of us roll our eyes.

Put the jurors in a room with Bill Schaefer. Now THAT I'll watch.

Better still - but Bill Schaefer in a room with Baez for an hour long no holds barred conversation. I'd pay a lot of money to watch that.

And I believe Bill may end up just decking Baez...

 

[logicalgirl]

Really good post Logical. You have the subconscious down. And that is why when she answers questions about whether she believes KC is innocent or not, she inevitably moves in her chair, brushes her face somehow, uses a tissue or the like because her subcon KNOWS this to be a lie and it will not accept it. It really is amazing.

Yes, you are right IMO and thank you for adding that. It's amazing and sickening at the same time - watching what is going on in that woman's mind.

 

[fifteen89]

Better still - but Bill Schaefer in a room with Baez for an hour long no holds barred conversation. I'd pay a lot of money to watch that.

And I believe Bill may end up just decking Baez...

Ok, throw them all in together. 12 jurors, were there 4 alternates?
Might as well throw in the rest of the defense team too.
imo Bill would still take them all down.
Let the decking begin!!

 

[Hope4More]

Logical Girl- I would no doubt feel better about the world in general if I could agree with you about Cindy. Just can't.

My awareness of and interest in this case came way later than most folks posting here, which probably makes for a difference in perspective. I didn't know of Caylee until half way through her mother's trial for murder.

The who-dunnit was totally obvious to me from the start, and I have never doubted that Caylee was murdered by Casey. What sucked me in was why she did, and what if any role did her family play in making Casey who and what she is.

The Cindy-Casey dynamic was for me the proverbial chicken and egg question. Did Cindy make Casey crazy or did Casey make Cindy crazy, or was Casey just born crazy?

There is very little out there that I've found about Casey's early life, so can't answer if Casey was born crazy. After reading every last transcript and letter available, and after watching every last video of every last Anthony available, I was 80% there in my belief that Cindy made Casey crazy, albeit a Casey who was probably genetically disposed to craziness.

Then came these Dr. Phony interviews. Now, I am 100% sure that Cindy was crazy YEARS before Caylee's birth, that whatever the exact flavor of crazy she is, it is deeply ugly, and that it is the kind of personal-evil crazy that functions as a black hole, sucking the emotional health and life out of anyone who comes near.

Really, my questions are answered, thanks in part to so many though-provoking posters and posts here, and really, I am done with the Anthonys. I truly hope I am not alone in that, and that a lack of interest will completely dry up any market anywhere for all things Anthony.

The sole exception will be JA's book, which I will buy as an expression of thanks for all he did to try to have a child-killer locked up and the key thrown away.

 

[Solace]

Does anyone remember how the bamboo story got started as an excuse for the shovel. Originally supposedly FCA borrowed it to dig up bamboo so Caylee's feet would not get hurt. Now CA is sticking with the bamboo story even though she believes the story that Caylee was dead when the shovel was borrowed. She connects dots about as well as 12 people from Pinellas. But when the shovel story came to light by BB, FCA was already in jail. Did CA originally offer this as an excuse, supposedly from FCA's mouth? I can't remember..I don't think it was in a jail visit?

I don't remember ever hearing KC talk about the shovel, ever.

 

[MarthaM]

I turned on my TV just as the Baez segment on The View was ending. I didn't hear any of the Aruba stuff which is fine with me; I'm not interested in the current Aruba case and wasn't interested in the last one.

But I do think that if Casey does any interviews this year, it'll be with Barbara Walters. Casey will be one of her 'most fascinating people of the year'; she has to be. There's no way anybody can look back on 2011 and not include her in that list. I suppose Walters could still include her on the list without doing a 1:1 interview, but it would be a huge ratings moment if she did get an interview with her for that special at the end of the year.

And responding to a few posts...

If you experience the loss of a loved-one, you don't get a free pass to act any way you choose. We have seen too many good people lose their babies in the most horrific way possible and not approach the behavior of Cindy. Having your daughter kill your grandaughter does not make you a good person. You have to start out that way.

I didn't say anybody gets a free pass to act any way you choose. I'm just saying that there's no particular way of responding to a tragedy or loss that's the 'correct' way. And I'm certainly not going to judge anybody's grieving based on what the media feeds us about them.

I don't know if Cindy's a good person or not. I know next to nothing about her.

If only Dr. Phil, Larry King, and the others could have read this thread before their interviews, they might have understood the dynamics of the A's and asked the real questions instead of pussyfooting around with their top of the morning questions.

Thanks to all of you for your insight into this demonic family.

No thread here or on any message board or website is going to help anybody understand the dynamics of the Anthony family. More accurately, threads would help them understand the dynamics of those observing the family, not the family itself.

I don't think I've learned anything about the Anthonys here.

Hmmm ... I bet Jose had to BEG to go on these shows -- EXCEPT no "begging" for his good ole buddy Gerry Rivers to have him on his show ...

I am "guessing" that JB and his "client" were furious with the Anthony's getting all the attention last week ...

Will any of this "dog and pony show" ever end ? :banghead:

MOO ...

I very much doubt that Baez has to beg to go on any of these shows, or that any of they would just say, 'Oh, we better put Baez on because he's begging us to have him on'. They will always always always have the guests that they think people want to hear from, not the guests that beg them to be on.

 

[fifteen89]

snipped by me....
and really, I am done with the Anthonys. I truly hope I am not alone in that, and that a lack of interest will completely dry up any market anywhere for all things Anthony.

You are not alone. Cindy used to make me want to scream at the tv or jump inside it and shake the cobwebs out of her brain.

Now I just shake my head, shrug my shoulders and move on.
She's too delusional to listen to.
Cindy will never change.
And I will never believe Casey didn't kill her daughter.

 

[Solace]

ETA:
And Cindy thinks George believing Casey's involvement is because he's so "hurt" from her/JB's accusations.

GMAB.

Well Cindy can't get "mad" at George with Dr. Phil there, so she does the next best thing and "negates" George's belief with his being "hurt" because of the sexual molestation charges - meaning he really does not believe his daughter killed Caylee.

Not only does George have to put up with the sex charges, but he has to listen to his wife explaining why he feels the way he does, because George, as Cindy well knows, cannot think for himself and she is there to do that for him and answer any questions re same. Thank you so much Cindy. How very nice of you. George, say thank you to Cindy.

 

[logicalgirl]

She also knows that smell! AND, she cleaned up the evidence from the trunk so she knows if there were any larvae, dead or living flies, greasy (decomp) spots and hairs she didn't miss. She knows what was in that trunk and where each bit of evidence was.

Once again, Rodrigues - the States CSI said the trunk of the car was quite dirty, as could be expected for a car that age - and did not appear to have been cleaned at all.

 

[LambChop]

Oh, I forgot the part where Dr. Phil asked if Lee/Mallory have children would George and Cindy allow Casey to babysit. Cindy wouldn't have a problem with it. IIRC George said it would be up to Lee/Mallory. Dr. Phil had to insert the caveat of Casey being treated for whatever Cindy believes is wrong with her first and then it would be ok forr her to babysit. Cindy quickly agreed. But she said no problem first.

There still is the DCF report that found KC negligent. Not sure anyone should trust KC with children because of that fact. Should a child be placed in KC's care and somehow get injured the parents could be held reponsible for letting KC watch the child knowing her background. I would not take a chance to lose custody of my child just to let KC babysit when there are plenty of other reliable people to babysit. jmo

 

[fifteen89]

Well Cindy can't get "mad" at George with Dr. Phil there, so she does the next best thing and "negates" George's belief with his being "hurt" because of the sexual molestation charges - meaning he really does not believe his daughter killed Caylee.

Not only does George have to put up with the sex charges, but he has to listen to his wife explaining why he feels the way he does, because George, as Cindy well knows, cannot think for himself and she is there to do that for him and answer any questions re same. Thank you so much Cindy. How very nice of you. George, say thank you to Cindy.

You're making me wonder - have any of George's family members spoken out? I wish one of them would take him in, let him grieve the loss of Caylee, heal himself as well as he can and move on....without Cindy. I couldn't continue to live with someone who so obviously makes excuses for everything Casey does.

 

[Solace]

You're making me wonder - have any of George's family members spoken out? I wish one of them would take him in, let him grieve the loss of Caylee, heal himself as well as he can and move on....without Cindy. I couldn't continue to live with someone who so obviously makes excuses for everything Casey does.

Especially when Cindy reduces George's belief to just "being hurt". Can't get more insulting than that. (Oh George is hurt by the molestation charges, he is such a baby).

If he really wants a healthy chance, he would leave Cindy; he told her in the beginning "I can't live like this". It was heard by Padilla's people when KC was first released.

The selfishness that Cindy is showing towards him is boundless - she is willing to ask him to live this lie again and when he says no, she explains it by his "being hurt". So George, you will do what I tell you is basically what she is saying - to wit, we both know our daughter is a murderer and a liar of the worst means, but you and I will deny it because that is the order of this house and if you don't, I will announce to the world that you are just being a baby and are hurt.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

There still is the DCF report that found KC negligent. Not sure anyone should trust KC with children because of that fact. Should a child be placed in KC's care and somehow get injured the parents could be held reponsible for letting KC watch the child knowing her background. I would not take a chance to lose custody of my child just to let KC babysit when there are plenty of other reliable people to babysit. jmo

FWIW, I wouldn't let GA or CA near my child or grandchild either.

 

[LambChop]

I just don't think there is anything facinating about a liar getting away with murder. I think what was so facinating about this case was how far her attorneys were willing to go to get her off in destroying the lives of others and getting away with it. It almost seemed criminal in and of itself. I hope it wakes America up that this type of behavior in court should not be acceptable. JB made accusations and never proved them and that should have clued the jury this defendant through her attorney was still lying and could not be trusted. Somehow this jury missed that part. jmo

 

[logicalgirl]

Logical Girl- I would no doubt feel better about the world in general if I could agree with you about Cindy. Just can't.

My awareness of and interest in this case came way later than most folks posting here, which probably makes for a difference in perspective. I didn't know of Caylee until half way through her mother's trial for murder.

The who-dunnit was totally obvious to me from the start, and I have never doubted that Caylee was murdered by Casey. What sucked me in was why she did, and what if any role did her family play in making Casey who and what she is.

The Cindy-Casey dynamic was for me the proverbial chicken and egg question. Did Cindy make Casey crazy or did Casey make Cindy crazy, or was Casey just born crazy?

There is very little out there that I've found about Casey's early life, so can't answer if Casey was born crazy. After reading every last transcript and letter available, and after watching every last video of every last Anthony available, I was 80% there in my belief that Cindy made Casey crazy, albeit a Casey who was probably genetically disposed to craziness.

Then came these Dr. Phony interviews. Now, I am 100% sure that Cindy was crazy YEARS before Caylee's birth, that whatever the exact flavor of crazy she is, it is deeply ugly, and that it is the kind of personal-evil crazy that functions as a black hole, sucking the emotional health and life out of anyone who comes near.

Really, my questions are answered, thanks in part to so many though-provoking posters and posts here, and really, I am done with the Anthonys. I truly hope I am not alone in that, and that a lack of interest will completely dry up any market anywhere for all things Anthony.

The sole exception will be JA's book, which I will buy as an expression of thanks for all he did to try to have a child-killer locked up and the key thrown away.

Wish you'd been around for the past three years Hope4More, because the very good thing about this website is that lots of us disagree lots of the time and that's the whole point of posting. It is to read the various points of view that peeps bring to the site. And we bring our life history and experiences with us and that usually directs our opinions and postings.

But no one expects us to agree or I'd have been turfed out of here long ago.:floorlaugh:

My views about FCA is that she is a Sociopath, and her family could have taught her more acceptable social behaviour to some extent, but how much success even a lot of "training" would have done is questionable.

I think this family is crazy because they have been conned and manipulated by FCA for years. And the longer they, well particularly Cindy goes trying to believe FCA is innocent and Caylee died by accident, the crazier she will get.

We've all met people like Cindy before - those emotionally dependent people who need to pull the energy from someone else so they can feel like somebody. Most of us instinctively pull away from them.

And I'm with you on buying JA's book. There you have it and thanks for commenting on my post. All IMO.

 

[Solace]

You're making me wonder - have any of George's family members spoken out? I wish one of them would take him in, let him grieve the loss of Caylee, heal himself as well as he can and move on....without Cindy. I couldn't continue to live with someone who so obviously makes excuses for everything Casey does.

The only person I remember really confronting Cindy is her brother Rick. Rick also told LE that Cindy only shares the good about her family. When there was bad, it was ignored.

 

[Justin Tyme]

It really amazes me when I think back when everyone was looking for Caylee. Neither GA nor CA ever put on a pair of boots and went looking. Instead they found a way to posture themselves to appear like they were doing something constructive when actually they were sitting on their bums at tents, driving billboards around ,selling tee shirts and flying to NY for interviews. The felon wanted released from jail to help look for her daughter but then spent her days counting media trucks and playing house with JB at his office. They have had a nice , new shiny boat for how long but have yet to get it wet. River had her own scam in the works but said while at the tent with GA, she overheard the conversation between GA & CA. GA was yelling at CA because she didn't get the money before she did the interview. Now I didn't believe half of what this woman said but it seemed a stupid thing to make up which made me question if it wasn't true. When LE interviewed her she claimed that GA had given her a sob story about not having any money to eat so she gave him money. TM entered the picture and instead of welcoming the help GA says..where this clown from texas I'm suppose to meet and CA leaves a nasty message for him. Instead they join forces with an organization with a questionable reputation and now have added 2 of these people to their foundation. You wonder how so much evidence exists that leads you to believe that these peoples character are in question but still they are on TV spewing more lies.
They somehow maneuvered themselves into Caylees Law which wasn't even their idea, started a foundation for missing children but Caylee was never missing and another foundation for Grandparents rights but neglect to behave like grandparents.
There should be no question why some can't just let go and move on.

The answer to your last question is simple: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[LambChop]

FWIW, I wouldn't let GA or CA near my child or grandchild either.

Or the dogs. CA hasn't caught on to that one yet. Hello, CA. Try reading back over you testimony.....looking for chlorophyll because dog/dogs are sleeping alot....but computer shows chloroform. If you suddently mixed up a batch who would you test it on before using it on your daughter????? jmo