Dr Phil w/ George and Cindy Anthony (Show airs 9.13.2011)

[LambChop]

I have no idea what Cindy was thinking or would think about your photo montage. My position remains the same: I think that using even 10 photos from each of the 31 days/nights is a dishonest technique, no matter who or which side uses it. And that's because they don't tell the full story. For all I know, every minute of each of those days/nights was fun-filled and carefree. Or Casey was subdued most of the time. Or it was half-and-half. Or something else. I just don't know, and I won't be swayed by what photos any attorney shows in court to try to further their agenda. I realize that there are 24 hours and over 1400 minutes in a day, and that no one's state of mind or demeanor can be proven in a shutter click that takes less than a second.

The pictures are just visual aids to show her state of mind. What backed up those pictures were the testimonies of those who spent time with KC so that every waking hour someone, somewhere had interaction with her and her demeanor never changed. Except for TL stating she had a few moments of sadness when she viewed the Father's Day video she was her old "happy-go-lucky" self. The pictures just confirm what people were saying. Some jurors need that visual. jmo

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I don't know. But he usually has a live audience. Not in this case. So exceptions have been made.

Not the first time and won't be the last.

He does 1 on 1 interviews without an audience quite a bit.

IMO this was not an exception made for the A's.

 

[krkrjx]

He didn't role over no, but he didn't own up to stupid things like the tape at trial and made the stupid gas can a bigger ordeal, it's my opinion he came off the way he did with a purpose. While I do believe George is more sympathetic and truthful I still think he played a part in Casey's non guilty verdict.

I think George may have answered some questions differently at trial had he not been bound by what he had said in his depositions. He may have been thinking, Why say anything that ls only going to impeach my testimony?

I had a problem with them being bound to their answers in the depositions because the depos were a couple years prior to trial. New issues come to light over time in many cases and witnesses can have second thoughts about things they may have claimed initially.

I think George is the more honest of the two. He cheats and lies about some things but I do believe he loved Caylee and he knows Casey killed her and hid her in the trunk of the car. I have no reason to believe George was not forthcoming in this interview with Phil. I would like to see Phil do an interview with just George (not one word from Cindy, thank you very much). We might hear some further truths out of George now that he doesn't have his prior depo statements hindering his freedom of speech. I think all it would take is someone asking the right questions.

 

[MarthaM]

Editing was inevitable with 9 hours of raw interview whittled down to around 2 hours of programing. I'm just a bit curious on how much influence the Anthonys had on the editing. Did they have an agreement with the Dr Phil show on what would air? It could have been part of the exclusive agreement they came up with. MOO.

I very very very much doubt that Dr Phil or any other interviewer would agree to let the Anthonys (or anyone else they interview) play a part in the editing. He would want to include what he thinks makes for the best interview and that will bring the highest ratings.

And I don't think they would even want to ask for edits. They knew going into 9+ hours that anything they said could end up in the finished product, so if there's anything they didn't want in there then they just wouldn't say it to begin with.

 

[crimesnooper]

Cindy will just try any excuse to cover for Casey, won't she? I have never in my life heard of schizophrenia being caused by having a baby. Wouldn't there be some kind of warning about pregnancy? Caution: Pregnancy may cause Schizophrenia? Cindy is just full of baloney. I wonder if she understands at all how stupid she sounds.

ETA: No one just "gets" schizophrenia. It's hereditary and usually doesn't show up until the mid 20's, I think. Casey would not have been showing signs of it at 18.

Hereditary may play a role, but it's is not a truly hereditary disease like Huntington's. The onset can be much ealier than the 20's. In males, it usually show up during adolencence..but there are kids who are diagnosed with it.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

From what I've seen/heard/read, there were no restrictions on what could be asked and the A's were not part of the editing decisions.


JMO

So your saying that there could have been some restrictions, but you don't know for sure.

 

[indicat]

I think George may have answered some questions differently at trial had he not been bound by what he had said in his depositions. He may have been thinking, Why say anything that ls only going to impeach my testimony?

I had a problem with them being bound to their answers in the depositions because the depos were a couple years prior to trial. New issues come to light over time in many cases and witnesses can have second thoughts about things they may have claimed initially.

I think George is the more honest of the two. He cheats and lies about some things but I do believe he loved Caylee and he knows Casey killed her and hid her in the trunk of the car. I have no reason to believe George was not forthcoming in this interview with Phil. I would like to see Phil do an interview with just George (not one word from Cindy, thank you very much). We might hear some further truths out of George now that he doesn't have his prior depo statements hindering his freedom of speech. I think all it would take is someone asking the right questions.

I didn't watch it so I appreciate the insight. I've been away from this since the trial and I think I still have some leftover frustrations of how it all went down that I never vented, lol, to say the least.

 

[MarthaM]

I've wondered if this interview was taking place while they were spotted in NC a while back. I haven't heard when or where it was conducted. I guess I'll go google...

 

[LambChop]

JMO....Cindy and George should have waited to do this interview (if at all) until after Lee's wedding.

They wanted to get that first interview before KC, IMO.

jmo

 

[Wishbone]

I have no idea what Cindy was thinking or would think about your photo montage. My position remains the same: I think that using even 10 photos from each of the 31 days/nights is a dishonest technique, no matter who or which side uses it. And that's because they don't tell the full story. For all I know, every minute of each of those days/nights was fun-filled and carefree. Or Casey was subdued most of the time. Or it was half-and-half. Or something else. I just don't know, and I won't be swayed by what photos any attorney shows in court to try to further their agenda. I realize that there are 24 hours and over 1400 minutes in a day, and that no one's state of mind or demeanor can be proven in a shutter click that takes less than a second.

There's a saying that a picture is worth 10,000 words, but aside from that.....
Multiple witnesses testified to her demeanor and it was never described as subdued or anything like that. During that 31-day period, Casey pursued a lifestyle of parties and socialization that did not indicate to anyone close to her that anything was amiss in neither her life, nor the type of behavior consistent and/or expected from a grieving mother.

 

[bayouland]

How will this interview interfere in Lee's wedding. Thats not until next month, right?

IMO

It is not that it interferes with his wedding. It is a matter of respect. Lee may not be perfect but he is the best they have.....

I just feel they should step back from the limelight and let him have his moments up until the wedding.

Instead, they have made themselves the focus. They knew when this would air.

 

[Melanie]

I agree with you.


I think that Cindy is so starved for the love of GA, LA and FCA, that she goes to uber extremes for them. There has been so much chaos in that house, and I think CA embraces the chaos because, perhaps, it’s the only time they pay her any attention. I think they all just loath each other.

From the little bit I did see, I couldn't help but notice George was more forthcoming than CA. Dr. P would point out something....and CA would respond:

but,

but again,

You know,

well,

Is it just me or did CA have an excuse for EVERYTHING?

And why didn't DP ask about the "out on bail seizure". Did she go to the doctor? Did she go to the hospital? What happened when she had the seizure? What did you and GA do?

My guess is:

well, CFCMA told us she had a seizure....we didn't actually see it. She seemed to be doing so well that we didn't call a doctor.

Kinda like the hard body contest....for CA to say "all her friends there" told us she was in a quiet mood and did the contest because the original person wasn't there...or didn't show up.

GAHHHH!!!

MOO

:banghead:

Mel

 

[feddup]

I have no idea what Cindy was thinking or would think about your photo montage. My position remains the same: I think that using even 10 photos from each of the 31 days/nights is a dishonest technique, no matter who or which side uses it. And that's because they don't tell the full story. For all I know, every minute of each of those days/nights was fun-filled and carefree. Or Casey was subdued most of the time. Or it was half-and-half. Or something else. I just don't know, and I won't be swayed by what photos any attorney shows in court to try to further their agenda. I realize that there are 24 hours and over 1400 minutes in a day, and that no one's state of mind or demeanor can be proven in a shutter click that takes less than a second.

That is why the PA had witnesses in court that had seen kc, they were asked did kc seem depressed and said no, she seemed normal.
Did kc ask for help? no, she seemed ok
Those witnesses saw kc during time Caylee was missing....

 

[LambChop]

I've wondered if this interview was taking place while they were spotted in NC a while back. I haven't heard when or where it was conducted. I guess I'll go google...

GA's nephew was married in Ohio on August 27th. They were coming back from the wedding IMO.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I think George may have answered some questions differently at trial had he not been bound by what he had said in his depositions. He may have been thinking, Why say anything that ls only going to impeach my testimony?

I had a problem with them being bound to their answers in the depositions because the depos were a couple years prior to trial. New issues come to light over time in many cases and witnesses can have second thoughts about things they may have claimed initially.

I think George is the more honest of the two. He cheats and lies about some things but I do believe he loved Caylee and he knows Casey killed her and hid her in the trunk of the car. I have no reason to believe George was not forthcoming in this interview with Phil. I would like to see Phil do an interview with just George (not one word from Cindy, thank you very much). We might hear some further truths out of George now that he doesn't have his prior depo statements hindering his freedom of speech. I think all it would take is someone asking the right questions.

I really hope that George has been receiving therapy himself. Keeping so much bottled up inside afraid to upset Cindy by discussing his true inner thoughts must be hell to endure and extremely stressful.

I think he has to be the sounding board for Cindy but I doubt she patiently listens to his feelings much.

IMO

 

[daisy7]

I don't know. But he usually has a live audience. Not in this case. So exceptions have been made.

That may be the case about the lack of a live audience, but I'm not sure how this would equal that the As could pick and choose what was aired?

 

[Chablis]

I really hope that George has been receiving therapy himself. Keeping so much bottled up inside afraid to upset Cindy by discussing his true inner thoughts must be hell to endure and extremely stressful.

I think he has to be the sounding board for Cindy but I doubt she patiently listens to his feelings much.

IMO

Well he has legs and could run for the hills if he truly wanted to.

 

[LCoastMom]

I think playing the good parent/bad parent routine was the only way George and Cindy knew how to deal with Casey. I disagree with those who claim that Cindy is controlling, I think Cindy played the part of the peace keeper and, because of that, she was controlled by Casey and, to an extent, by George too. She's still playing that role, trying to make excuses for Casey to keep George from hating her, and trying to soften what George says so as not to infuriate Casey. It's no wonder to me that Cindy seems a bit off her rocker, she has good reason to be, IMO.

Chilly I'm not sure they were playing good parent/bad parent, I don't think CA ever supported GA when he tried to do what needed to be done. I also believe FCA treated GA like carp and he let her get away with it to an extent over guilt from things going on in the home prior to and during the separation.

I agree CA was off her rocker from dealing with FCA, but she's had 3 plus years to develop a back bone and acknowledge FCA's short comings, from what I'm seeing she's still making excuses and not even valid ones. My oldest DD was Dx with borderline personality at age 22 and I certainly understand the trip to crazy town when that strikes, but after a few months I said NO MORE! and all of our lives became bearable again - CA has never done this, she's still enabling FCA and that's just wrong. It makes me think CA has issues of her own.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I very very very much doubt that Dr Phil or any other interviewer would agree to let the Anthonys (or anyone else they interview) play a part in the editing. He would want to include what he thinks makes for the best interview and that will bring the highest ratings.

And I don't think they would even want to ask for edits. They knew going into 9+ hours that anything they said could end up in the finished product, so if there's anything they didn't want in there then they just wouldn't say it to begin with.

So your saying that a show wishing to get an exclusive with the Anthonys would not enter into an agreement about editing their interview. Why not? Big ratings = big money. Sure the Anthonys could self edit themselves. For 9 hours would be pretty hard but I guess they could try.

 

[crimesnooper]

Nonprofits may spend as much or as little as they like on admin. costs, though they may be flagged by the IRS for spending a huge amount on admin costs for several years, which may result in an audit. It is pretty typical for a new nonprofit to spend more $s on admin as they get the nonprofit up and running.

Salaries are not considered across the board to be an administrative cost. If a staff person is working on programming, then this is a program cost, not admin. When I was the ED of a nonprofit, 80% of my time was spent on programming and 20% was on G&O, and our financials and 990s reflected that (I had to detail what I did with my time for the auditors to come up with that ratio).

ETA: these were our internal auditors, not from the IRS

I beleive the standard now is that no more than 35% should be spent on administration and fundraising combined. The standard used to be 25% but has gone up. Often it's not the IRS taht takes an interest, but complaint to the state attorney's office in the state in which the charity operates or is incorpoarted. Charity watchdog groups also keep an eye on non profit spending.